MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[Bishop Black]

Professor Was Accused of Hitting Cop Boyfriend with Car, Leaving Him to Die. Does New Evidence Exonerate Her?

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe.

people.com

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the January 2022 death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe outside a Canton, Mass., home.

She's pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Leading up to his death, the couple of two years reportedly spent the night drinking and bar hopping with friends before Read, 43, dropped O'Keefe, 46, off at the home of a fellow off-duty police officer for an after-party, PEOPLE previously reported.

Prosecutors say as O'Keefe exited the vehicle, Read allegedly proceeded to make a three-point turn during a winter storm, striking her boyfriend in the process before driving off.

After O'Keefe failed to return home hours later, Read allegedly went looking for him, before finding his body in a snowbank outside the home where she allegedly left him.

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[Knitty]

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[Bodhi]

I don't support a LE who uses random bags and cups to store evidence and has zero notes or chain of evidence. My stepbrother is a cop and said this is the most pathetic police behavior he has ever seen.

I have siblings and cousins who are police officers in the same area. Do you realize who collects evidences of crimes for Canton and other towns? The state police. But that morning the state police told Canton they would not be responding. The blood drops would not have been collectible later. It was now or never, so he used ingenuity to preserve evidence in a way that did not compromise its integrity.

Gallagher testified that evidence is logged, controlled, and tracked. It's done with a computer track. He described exactly what Jackson referred to as an "evidence log". Gallagher didn't have access to view it because it is secured. The state police took over the case that same day, which means Gallagher had no involvement beyond that.

Police officers follow the department's protocols. Every officer does not do the same thing. It's an organized approach. Gallagher did not take notes or write reports because it was not his function. The officers who were charged with writing reports did so.

 

[tara83]

I have siblings and cousins who are police officers in the same area. Do you realize who collects evidences of crimes for Canton and other towns? The state police. But that morning the state police told Canton they would not be responding. The blood drops would not have been collectible later. It was now or never, so he used ingenuity to preserve evidence in a way that did not compromise its integrity.

Gallagher testified that evidence is logged, controlled, and tracked. It's done with a computer track. He described exactly what Jackson referred to as an "evidence log". Gallagher didn't have access to view it because it is secured. The state police took over the case that same day, which means Gallagher had no involvement beyond that.

Police officers follow the department's protocols. Every officer does not do the same thing. It's an organized approach. Gallagher did not take notes or write reports because it was not his function. was the

So you are fine with evidence being in a random bag and cups from a neighbor? My stepbrother said the very first thing he was taught was properly handling evidence so it wouldn't be tainted.

 

[lohrtabitha]

You pay someone enough they will say anything. KR said she paid them alot of money.

Not when their company reputation is on the line and being highly recommended by the FBI. AARCA is way bigger than that . Research some of their cases. It's really impressive.

 

[Bodhi]

If Karen did say "I hit him", I think it would be because Jen told her she did.

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

 

[tara83]

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

Like the witness who claimed she said it 3 no now it's changed to 4 times right next to a cop when the video shows the cop having zero reaction?

 

[lohrtabitha]

No but the defence paid them $24,000

Well had the prosecution chosen to use their findings too they would have shared the cost. We know the data was offered to them. So really, this is a moot point.

 

[Malleeboy]

AARCA people billed their time as salaried professionals, they just billed to time codes. The company was engaged by the FBI, they had no connection to the Defence at the time of their findings and first report.

 

[Malleeboy]

When the only witnesses to see the car outside, saw the car, after they arrived at the scene, their testimony was:
JOK was not in the passenger seat.
Light was on in the car.
He didn't cross the grass to the house.
KR has facing forward with hands on steering wheel.
At least 3 people at car, spend several minutes talking at the car but do not see JoK.
One person walks from the house to the car and back again but does not see JoK standing near the car.

They followed Read's car but still left a (slim) possibility that he went to the house before they arrived. CW has no obvious solution were a 6' 1" (185cm) is hiding, if he is standing out of the car he would be visible.

 

[Bodhi]

So you are fine with evidence being in a random bag and cups from a neighbor? My stepbrother said the very first thing he was taught was properly handling evidence so it wouldn't be tainted.

Yes because the other option was not preserving it. He got the unopened bag of cups from a superior officer who lived across the street. Is it ideal? No. But given the option of letting it go without collection, yes.

 

[lohrtabitha]

It wasn't gallagher.

Redirect Notice

 

[lohrtabitha]

Redirect Notice

 

[Malleeboy]

This doesn't suit either sides case per se, but I could make a case that the cops thought it was an accident and went out of their way to protect the dead cop's former girlfriend.

They didn't process the scene properly. They didn't ask the people in the houses nearby.
Several witnesses now testifying to mentioning "I hit him" x 3 but no cop took that down, no cop responded to supposedly being told this by seriously treating the scene as a crime scene or treating Karen as a suspect as early as the supposedly early and supposedly obvious confession. Almost like they were protecting Karen.
Jen Mccabe says she didn't go to her b-in-law, because Karen has said I hit him and had a broken tail light but despite constantly talking to cops, fails to get them to respond to her clear suspicion of Karen to the cops.

 

[lohrtabitha]

How could there have been taillight glass on that exact spot the next day when they used a LEAF BLOWER on the crime scene the night

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

I've asked before please post a clip where Karen Read says verbatimaly, "I hit him!" Please show me and correct me that I'm wrong.

 

[Recidivist]

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

Karen didn't remember and thought she left him at the bar. It was Jen who told her no, telling her she saw Karen in front of the house. Did she say to Karen " You must have hit him"?

 

[lohrtabitha]

This doesn't suit either sides case per se, but I could make a case that the cops thought it was an accident and went out of their way to protect the dead cop's former girlfriend.

They didn't process the scene properly. They didn't ask the people in the houses nearby.
Several witnesses now testifying to mentioning "I hit him" x 3 but no cop took that down, no cop responded to supposedly being told this by seriously treating the scene as a crime scene or treating Karen as a suspect as early as the supposedly early and supposedly obvious confession. Almost like they were protecting Karen.
Jen Mccabe says she didn't go to her b-in-law, because Karen has said I hit him and had a broken tail light but despite constantly talking to cops, fails to get them to respond to her clear suspicion of Karen to the cops.

And they never took any of the witnesses down to the police station and record their testimony. Once again I say Police Academy training 101!

 

[Izzylizzy]

I have siblings and cousins who are police officers in the same area. Do you realize who collects evidences of crimes for Canton and other towns? The state police. But that morning the state police told Canton they would not be responding. The blood drops would not have been collectible later. It was now or never, so he used ingenuity to preserve evidence in a way that did not compromise its integrity.

Gallagher testified that evidence is logged, controlled, and tracked. It's done with a computer track. He described exactly what Jackson referred to as an "evidence log". Gallagher didn't have access to view it because it is secured. The state police took over the case that same day, which means Gallagher had no involvement beyond that.

Police officers follow the department's protocols. Every officer does not do the same thing. It's an organized approach. Gallagher did not take notes or write reports because it was not his function. The officers who were charged with writing reports did so.

According to the "5 Stones" intelligence audit it doesn't appear that Canton LE does not collect their own evidence from crime scenes.
They're just incompetent,

Here’s what the Canton police audit had to say about Karen Read’s case

The long-awaited audit critiqued the Canton Police Department's handling of the early investigation into John O'Keefe's death.

www.boston.com

 

[Soulmagent]

I never had a salesman at the door who knew my name.

Hey ,it could have been the repro man. Those guy always know your name. (insert sad face here)

 

[Malleeboy]

I feel like the car with the people outside, who saw KR car (with no JOK) are key to the timeline. Why no phone analysis of their phones to literally triangulate (if you pardon the pun) part of the timeline. then compare that to JoK phone. You know the that KR crossed in front of them at an intersection quite close to the house before arriving at the site, could confirm if there was enough of a gap in arrival times for JoK to have left the car before they arrived. Would help tie down data on JoK phone movement.