ME ME - William Garlick, 27, & John Joyce, 33, Worcester MA to Alton ME, 13 Sep 1982

[q64ceo]

No Doe nor Charlie pages. This one from Maine's Missing Persons website

http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=state_police_unsolved&id=21699&v=Article-missing


William Garlick, dob 3-18-55, and John Joyce, dob 6-15-49, left Worcester, MA on 9-13-82 enroute to Alton, Maine to collect a $22,000 debt. They were operating a black 1980 Corvette, Mass. Registration 512-EVZ. The Corvette was found in the parking lot of the Bangor Mall in Bangor, Maine on 9-14-82. The ignition was torn apart, as well as the interior of the vehicle. A man's wallet, belonging to William Garlick, was found on the seat of the vehicle. John Joyce and William Garlick have not been seen since.

News article about the two being in a cocaine ring: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...i80AAAAIBAJ&sjid=WeEIAAAAIBAJ&pg=4006,3622796

Sounds like two drug pushers got killed for some stupid reason and now no one cares about them because of the criminal background.

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

They have both been added to NamUs. I couldn't find any additional information surrounding their disappearance. All the sites that have them listed as missing give the same story.

NamUs - William Garlick

NamUs - John Joyce

This is a picture of John. It's very grainy and obviously not the best quality but at least it was made public. William's case-file is still picture-less.

 

[Alleykins]

Another article from the local paper dated 10.1.1982 :
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAAAIBAJ&sjid=WeEIAAAAIBAJ&pg=3746,8566&hl=en

 

[Alleykins]

Coming up on 35 years now.
Both William Garlick and John Joyce have now been added to Doe as if 02/12/2017
John http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5072dmme.html
William: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5071dmme.html

 

[Coffee56]

Police seek new leads in disappearances of two men in Bangor in 1982

 

[Alleykins]

Police seek new leads in disappearances of two men in Bangor in 1982

This case has always baffled me.

 

[Coffee56]

This case has always baffled me.

I don’t know this case well other than what’s easily available. I go between thinking they are lost to our woods waiting for a hunter to stumble upon them to thinking they might have gotten the $22000 and hopped the border.

 

[Alleykins]

I don’t know this case well other than what’s easily available. I go between thinking they are lost to our woods waiting for a hunter to stumble upon them to thinking they might have gotten the $22000 and hopped the border.

I only know what's been in the media, too. Not sure how well you know the Bangor area, but my thoughts are they were murdered and their car dumped at the mall in hopes it would go unnoticed for as long as possible. I think if they had hopped the border (to the north), their car would have been found up north, like in Houlton, where the border is right there. They could have ditched the car right off the highway in the rest area and walked to Canada. Coming back to Bangor was doubling back from their destination, if they were only going to go north again.
If they were heading south of the border, they would have had to get a ride from the mall to either the Greyhound station, which used to be downtown, or to the airport on the other side of town.
And if they caught a cab to either location, I'm confident the Bangor PD talked to local cab drivers, in addition to checking buses and planes. I base this on past case experiences they've worked on where they did that.
Not saying it's impossible they left on their own accord, but I think they would have resurfaced by now, cuz $22k split 2 ways wouldn't have lasted this long.

 

[Coffee56]

I only know what's been in the media, too. Not sure how well you know the Bangor area, but my thoughts are they were murdered and their car dumped at the mall in hopes it would go unnoticed for as long as possible. I think if they had hopped the border (to the north), their car would have been found up north, like in Houlton, where the border is right there. They could have ditched the car right off the highway in the rest area and walked to Canada. Coming back to Bangor was doubling back from their destination, if they were only going to go north again.
If they were heading south of the border, they would have had to get a ride from the mall to either the Greyhound station, which used to be downtown, or to the airport on the other side of town.
And if they caught a cab to either location, I'm confident the Bangor PD talked to local cab drivers, in addition to checking buses and planes. I base this on past case experiences they've worked on where they did that.
Not saying it's impossible they left on their own accord, but I think they would have resurfaced by now, cuz $22k split 2 ways wouldn't have lasted this long.

Fairly familiar with Bangor but I had to map Alton. Geography is not my area. I think they probably met with foul play as a result of the debt and the car dumped in Bangor. I’m just not sure what happened to them. I Google Earthed Alton and it looks like mostly farms, fields, a few streams, the river, etc. I didn’t see any heavily wooded areas but it could look much different if actually there. And I95 goes right through there so that’s easy access to lots of other places.

 

[Alleykins]

Not sure where they could have ended up, there's a lot of wooded areas around Alton between there and Bangor.

Off topic:
Interestingly, Lisa Garland's body was found in a gravel pit in Alton in 1990. She was from Bangor. It was one of the first cases using DNA evidence here.
Woman’s body discovered in sand pit at Alton > Police investigating if remains are those of missing teen
Bangor Daily News - Google News Archive Search

 

[Pennysmom2]

5071DMME - William M. Garlick

John V.j. Joyce - Massachusetts Missing Person Directory

Details and Pictures of John V.j. Joyce, Missing since September 1982

www.missingin.org

Deformities: John Joyce was involved in a motorcycle crash just before going missing. John sustained damage to his hips and his hands.
Scars And Marks: John Joyce was believed to have had his spleen removed due to a recent motorcycle crash before he went missing.
Artificial Body Parts: John Joyce is reported to have pins in his hips and hands from a recent motorcycle crash prior to going missing.

 

[Pennysmom1]

Jan 29, 2024

Worcester's unsolved chronicles: 2 men vanish in 1982

William Garlick and John Joyce went for a ride from Worcester to Maine in 1982 to do an "errand." They were never seen again and no one has ever been charged in connection with the disappearance

theworcesterguardian.org

<<In the 41 years since then, there has been little progress. In 1985, Barbara Garlick told the Associated Press she believed her husband and Joyce were going to see Mark White, who lived in a mobile home park in Alton. Barbara Garlick believed White was the man from whom Joyce was collecting the debt. Barbara Garlick also thought White was going to include a white Buick as part of the payment, which is the same color and model car witnesses saw following Garlick’s Corvette. White was arrested that same year on weapons charges, but police were unable to connect him to Garlick and Joyce’s disappearance.>>

 

[Pennysmom1]

Jan 29, 2024

Worcester's unsolved chronicles: 2 men vanish in 1982

William Garlick and John Joyce went for a ride from Worcester to Maine in 1982 to do an "errand." They were never seen again and no one has ever been charged in connection with the disappearance

theworcesterguardian.org

<<According to published reports, Garlick phoned his wife, Barbara, around 5 p.m. to let her know they’d arrived in Bangor and were headed over to Alton, about 20 miles away. A witness reported seeing the Corvette on Stagecoach Road being followed by a white Buick around 5:45 p.m>>

<<According to published reports, Joyce worked for Katz, who had been identified by the DEA as one of the largest cocaine distributors in the country. In fact, after finding the Corvette, Maine State Police alerted the DEA, FBI, and the US Marshall’s offices, who came to take over the investigation.

Joyce collected money for Katz, and the two had been arrested together in 1978 and charged with possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute. The charges didn’t stick due to a faulty search warrant.

Joyce had been indicted in 1981 on drug trafficking charges, but he evaded police for six months. He was finally picked up in Miami in February 1982 and had been out on bond when he disappeared.>>

5072DMME - John V. J. Joyce

Distinguishing Marks/Features: He has a scar on his abdomen, scar and damage to his hips and hands due to a mortocycle crash just before going missing. Skeletal information is available.

Identifiers​

Dentals: Not Available
Fingerprints: Available
DNA: Not Available