Alex Pretti did not brandish gun, witnesses say in sworn testimony
Pair testify that Pretti did not hold weapon and was trying to help woman federal agents had shoved to the ground
This is actually where I agree with you. I don’t think his right to carry or him having a gun on him has ANYTHING to do with what happened to him. Because no one (including the 6-8 ICE officers who tackled him to the ground) had any idea he had a gun on him until he was on the ground. He never touched his gun, not one single time. So it literally has nothing to do with why he was shot. The Trump administration brings it up as a way to justify what happened to him, when it really does not matter at all. He didn’t wave his gun, he didn’t brandish his gun, he didn’t even reach for his gun. All MOO.The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation
That is the question with both recent ICE agent shootings. Keeping an open mind, and giving the benefit of the doubt includes the possibility of misunderstanding on behalf of all parties. Was there a misunderstanding?IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.
Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
Yeah this makes so much sense as to why he was shot 10 times mostly in the back and lets not forget he was absolutely out numbered. This feels like an apt time to say "If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” It is absolutely grotesque seeing some people jumping through hoops with their comments, grasping at tiny tiny things to try to justify what occured, no thanks. JmoIMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.
Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
If you can post the link to the press conference I would appreciate it.According to CNN, Border Patrol & ICE will be holding a presser any moment (it's 2:30 Eastern now).
Please let a reporter ask about the letter Bondi sent to Minnesota officials offering to pull ICE from the State if they give voter lists to Trump
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Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25people.com
It helps to look at it like a giant Jenga game: if one tiny piece falls off, the whole thing collapses. They cannot and will not allow that.You are seriously blaming Pretti? He was filming from a safe distance. The agents approached Pretti. He tried to keep his distance, he tried to help a woman who was shoved and pepper sprayed, he was pepper sprayed and incapacitated, he was tackled, he was disarmed, then he was shot.
Never while he was being accosted by the agents did he "brandish" a weapon.
That about sums it up right now. IMOKilling two innocent US citizens could never be declared a "victory", unless by a demented madman/madwoman. jmo
If you can post the link to the press conference I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
Moo I think they were probably taking his phone/camera....I'm sorry, but I think they were trying to find his identification. Since they needed to know who they had just killed, and they could see he wasn't going to be able to tell them himself.
Looking for ID seems the obvious reason to me.
But I'm sure they would've been thrilled to find drugs on him or anything else they could use to disparage their victim.
Hi Otto, we have agreed and respectfully disagreed over the years on several cases. I respect your opinion and will spend time reading it as I know you put thought into it. Thank you. I never have to be right on Webslueths and appreciate open conversation. imoThat is the question with both recent ICE agent shootings. Keeping an open mind, and giving the benefit of the doubt includes the possibility of misunderstanding on behalf of all parties. Was there a misunderstanding?
If we look at the beginning of the altercation, it started with a woman shoved into the snow. She was the pepper-sprayed in the face. That temporarily blinded her. A nurse - whose nature and profession it is to assist people in distress - reacted by trying to help her stand up. So far, nothing has gone wrong beyond ICE agents shoving a woman onto the ground.
A woman is distressed, a nurse is helping her. ICE agents are not there to shove and cause distress, they are allegedly there to detain people with violent criminal histories who are not legally in the country.
The ICE agents then attack the nurse who is helping the distressed woman. They tackle him, throw him to the ground, beat him, then shoot him 10 or 11 times.
Was he foolish for believing that ICE agents would not kill a nurse who was helping a distressed woman? Should he have known that ICE agents would shoot him many times, then rifle his body, for helping a woman out of the snow?
A big fan since 2019 when she began her Letters to AmericansThank you for posting. Very informative. Gives a bit of hope, and describes actions Americans can take now w/o resorting to violence.
I was prepared to see the shooting, and the death, in the video. The ICE agents all stood back a few feet for a moment. Then they all approached the body, got on their hands and knees, and grabbed at him, shoved him, rifled him. It was as though they had no awareness of what they had done, and no respect for a deceased man. It looked like they were desperate to grab evidence and alter the scene.
Police officers are trained to preserve the scene and wait for an analysis of the shooting. These shooters did not appear to conduct themselves like police.
According to CNN, Border Patrol & ICE will be holding a presser any moment (it's 2:30 Eastern now).
Please let a reporter ask about the letter Bondi sent to Minnesota officials offering to pull ICE from the State if they give voter lists to Trump
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Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25people.com