MS MS - Janice, near Woods Rd, WhtFem 20-35, UP4734, Sz 16 Zana-Di jeans, Sz 6W sandals, Jun'01

[CresJinx]

817UFMS - Unidentified Female

Date of Discovery: June 18, 2001
Location of Discovery: Janice, Perry County, Mississippi
Estimated Date of Death: At least 5 years prior to discovery but no more than 10 years.
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Cause of Death: Blunt force trauma to the head

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-35 years old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 4'7" to 5'2"
Weight: 100-170 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown

Identifiers
Dentals: Not available
Fingerprints: Not available
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Zana-Di button up, knee length blue jeans (size 16), silver or pink under garments (size unknown), and brown leather sandals (size 6W).
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's skeletal remains were located by archeologists or surveyors in a wooded area off an old logging road known as Woods Road. The area is approximately 1 mile off Red Hill Road on U.S. Forest Service land five miles south of New Augusta. Animal activity had spread the skeletal remains over a large area.Originally it was believed that the remains may be those of missing Petal teen, Angela Freeman, but DNA ruled out any connection in 2001.Some sources list June 27, 2001 as the date of discovery.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Perry County Sheriff's Office
Agency Phone Number: 601-964-8461
Agency Case Number: 2001-0860

Agency Name: Mississippi Chief Medical Examiner's Office
Agency Phone Number: 601-987-1440

NCIC Case Number: U040002043
NamUs Case Number: UP# 4734
Former Hot Case Number: 82

Information Source(s)
NamUs
National Center for Missing Adults
Forrest Perry District Attorney
Hattiesburg American News Archive
817UFMS

This is down the road from me but I find it sad she hasn’t been identified yet. Besides Amanda Freeman who disappeared in the areas there was the Moody boys who killed 3 people here too. Crazy time period.

Name: Kemberly Lorin Ramer
Case Classification: Endangered Missing
Missing Since: August 15, 1997
Location Last Seen: Opp, Covington County, Alabama
“no shoes were missing but wears size 6 or 6-1/2”

Has the same foot size.

Timeline 1997 -> 2001 is 4 years not 5.

“At the time of her disappearance, Kem was preparing to enter her senior year of high school and planned to attend college in Mobile upon graduation.”

This area where the Jane doe is found is right off hwy 98 between Mobile and Hattiesburg.

Brown Hair. 130 lbs. 5’4”

 

[Melt71]

@Crez

Name: Kemberly Lorin Ramer
Case Classification: Endangered Missing
Missing Since: August 15, 1997
Location Last Seen: Opp, Covington County, Alabama
“no shoes were missing but wears size 6 or 6-1/2”

Has the same foot size.

Timeline 1997 -> 2001 is 4 years not 5.

“At the time of her disappearance, Kem was preparing to enter her senior year of high school and planned to attend college in Mobile upon graduation.”

This area where the Jane doe is found is right off hwy 98 between Mobile and Hattiesburg.

Brown Hair. 130 lbs. 5’4”

A possibility I guess, but at 130lb would she have been wearing size 16 jeans like the UID?

 

[CresJinx]

@Crez


A possibility I guess, but at 130lb would she have been wearing size 16 jeans like the UID?

Maybe? My mind was a bit touch and go with various thoughts in my head but I was kind of thinking hip/thigh size/stomach body proportions. Or in my own experience I can be one size in one brand and another in another. Or sizes were different back then.

 

[CresJinx]

Height: 4'7" to 5'2"
Weight: 100-170 lbs.

How do they estimate this? Based/Calculated from bone size/skeletal remains?

 

[Beekarina]

Zana Di is a common vintage brand sold online, so the measurements are easily found,

Digging in a bit, I believe the earliest denim is 1998, which contradicts a bit with the "at least 5 years" .

I think we should be looking for someone who is at/above the upper suggested weight range, who went missing in 1998-ish.

For context, I have worn a 14/16 both in that era and now. I am 6ft tall and around 200 lbs. Everyone carries weight differently, and yes we have vanity sizing now, but I am pretty sure a 100 pound woman is wearing a size 16 jeans unless it is a youth size 16. I am also certain a 130 pound woman is not wearing a woman's size 16. A size 6 or a 10? Yes.

 

[Beekarina]

Also possible the jeans did not belong to the young woman. From Namus:

Clothing
Clothes found with remains are ZANA DI button blue jeans size 16, pink/silver bra and panties.
Near the Body

Footwear
Leather sandal type shoe size 6W
On the Body

If you guys image search Zana Di button fly demin capri pants, you can see they are not a style that would lend itself to wearing several sizes too large. Namus also estimates the woman's weight at 135. Confusing.

Also, where the underwear is described as pink/silver, I wonder if it is actually a swimsuit? That sounds more like a swimsuit combination to me, especially paired with sandals and capris. Looking at the location on a map, it is in/near a State Forest. I can see an RV Park not far as well. I do not know much about the area, but maybe someone working a summer job? Tourism? Those pants are very much a late 1990s trend. I really don't think she was there 5 years. JMO.

 

[Beekarina]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Suzanne Gloria Lyall
Date of Last Contact March 2, 1998
Missing From Albany, New York
Missing Age 19 Years
Height 5' 3" (63 Inches)
Weight 175 lbs
Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian

Hair ColorBrown
Head Hair DescriptionLight Brown

Circumstances of DisappearanceOn the evening of March 2, 1998, Suzanne left from her job at a local mall to walk to the bus stop. She is believed to have boarded the bus and was last seen around 9:45 p.m. getting off the bus at Collins Circle in the center of the SUNY-Albany uptown campus heading towards her dorm room. She never arrived at her dorm room and has not been heard from since. She has a mole on her left cheek, moles on her arms, and a mole on her back. She also has pierced ears and a scar on her left foot. Her nickname is Suzy.

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The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Lisa Ann Neugent, Female, White / Caucasian
Date of Last ContactAugust 8, 1999
Missing FromConway, South Carolina
Missing Age22 Years
Heigh t5' 0" - 5' 3" (60 - 63 Inches)
Weight 140 - 150 lbs

Circumstances of Disappearancelast seen in Conway, SC, on September 8, 1999, at the home she shared with her boyfriend. She called her parents telling them that she was coming home to Greensboro, NC. Since the phone call Lisa has not been heard from