NY - Karina Vetrano, 30, found murdered, Queens, 2 Aug 2016 #1

[Lauranyc83]

By the way: an anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university i am an alumni of, questioning 2.000 male students age between 19 and 35 years, 30 per cent of the students stated that they sometimes fantasize to have non-consensual sex with young women they do not know personally but saw their pics on instagram or facebook. I think 30% is a lot.

Sigh. That number is extremely high.

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[Infamous976]

Good news is that the United States Postal Service sits parallel to that house, east side, so I'm sure they have surveillance cameras that LE has checked into.

If they wanted to see who was coming and going in relation to her home.

Looking at Google Map street view it appears the house has security cameras as well. Although it's unknown to us if they are in operable condition or have been removed since photo was taken. It seems there is work being done to the house since one of PV's contracting companies lawn sign is visible.

 

[liz b.]

Good news is that the United States Postal Service sits parallel to that house, east side, so I'm sure they have surveillance cameras that LE has checked into.

If they wanted to see who was coming and going in relation to her home.

True, the USPS would have cameras. Interesting. jmo But, if this was a random attack, and his DNA is not in any US database, he likely will not get caught unless he attacks again,and is caught in that future attack. not good. jmo

 

[eileenhawkeye]

By the way: an anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university i am an alumni of, questioning 2.000 male students age between 19 and 35 years, 30 per cent of the students stated that they sometimes fantasize to have non-consensual sex with young women they do not know personally but saw their pics on instagram or facebook. I think 30% is a lot.

That's disgusting that 30% fantasize about raping women...and those are just the ones that will admit it. This isn't...I wish I could meet this beautiful woman, charm her, and we'll hook up. What the hell is wrong with them? Entitlement issues 101.

 

[jillycat]

Studies in Victimology suggests that there may be a coorelation between certain crimes and the lifestyles or behaviors of the victim. For instance, people who enter into the field of modeling might be more likely to subject themselves to predators who operate within that field, than someone who works in a law firm. Drug users routinely subject themselves to predators who operate within the drug world. Escorts work in a dangerous field, where violence is very common.

So, in the case of Karina, one thing that pops out to me is her online presence. Other things that might be of interest would be: was she a drug user? Was she involved in modeling? Had she ever worked in the adult entertainment industry in any way? Did she have a history of abusive relationships? Etc. etc. These are difficult questions to have to ask, but they can often be very relevant.

I sincerely think that her killer was looking for a victim whether she went running that day or not. If not her, it would have been someone else. And will be again if he isn't caught.

 

[Foxfire]

By the way: an anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university i am an alumni of, questioning 2.000 male students age between 19 and 35 years, 30 per cent of the students stated that they sometimes fantasize to have non-consensual sex with young women they do not know personally but saw their pics on instagram or facebook. I think 30% is a lot.

By the way MarcBerlin, do you have an msm link for your anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university where you are an alumni?

 

[kimi_SFC]

My apologies if this has already been discussed. One of Karina's poems was made into a short film. It's called The Paradox (2013). It is linked on the slideshow in this DM article:

Short film 'The Paradox' stars Queens woman who was killed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...New-York-City-home.html#v-3195764153313900455

I few questions & thoughts....

What are the details regarding the films' release? Could the perp have seen The Paradox, and then chose to seek her out? Or, did Karina encounter someone sinister during filming? IMO, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

With so few leads, I hope LE is looking at all possibilities, and methodically eliminating them.

Based on the victimology completed thus far by my fellow WSers, Karina had a strong online presence. The perp may or may not have been local. If he was stalking her, he would have been aware of her routines (especially in regards to her running schedule). On that that tragic evening, there was a narrow window of opportunity. There are also many possible (unmonitored) points of entry into Spring Creek park.

It sickens me to think of what she suffered through. I realize my post is speculative. I've just been wracking my brain trying to understand WHY this happened to her!

That said, I thought I'd share this, so you can see for yourselves (if you so choose).

To see and hear Karina's own words, on screen, was beyond haunting. It brought tears to my eyes....

She truly was such an undeniable talent, and her light has been forever extinguished. She must have her justice.

:floating:
:rose:
#RIPKarina


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[Lawdini01234]

True, the USPS would have cameras. Interesting. jmo But, if this was a random attack, and his DNA is not in any US database, he likely will not get caught unless he attacks again,and is caught in that future attack. not good. jmo

Exactly, if a random attack then these specific cameras probably wouldn't help much. Don't think the perp would come in or leave this way from the spot he attacked her either.

 

[Lawdini01234]

How are you able to see the USPS? I looked on googlemaps but didnt see one on 92nd street.

It's right there, you can see the mail trucks from satellite view and then there is a mail truck in one of the street view pics. Try googling United States postal service-Howard beach.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I sincerely think that her killer was looking for a victim whether she went running that day or not. If not her, it would have

been someone else. And will be again if he isn't caught.

Most likely. But I try very hard not to make assumptions until I've studied a case. For instance...how many people jog/walk in this particular area? If it's not a high traffic area, what does this predator do? Just park there for days, waiting for a victim? Seems unlikely. More likely he lives, works or frequents the area often. Unless, of course, Karina was his target all along. And that, naturally, makes me curious to know more about her. Some photos I've seen of her are very good. I wonder about the possibility that she might have agreed to meet up with a photographer in this area, either on the day she was murdered or at some point in the past. In general, I wonder who she knew who knew her routine.

Just thoughts.

 

[Lauranyc83]

Most likely. But I try very hard not to make assumptions until I've studied a case. For instance...how many people jog/walk in this particular area? If it's not a high traffic area, what does this predator do? Just park there for days, waiting for a victim? Seems unlikely. More likely he lives, works or frequents the area often. Unless, of course, Karina was his target all along. And that, naturally, makes me curious to know more about her. Some photos I've seen of her are very good. I wonder about the possibility that she might have agreed to meet up with a photographer in this area, either on the day she was murdered or at some point in the past. In general, I wonder who she knew who knew her routine.

Just thoughts.

It isn't a high traffic area. Even the bike path that runs parallel to the park and Belt parkway is not a high traffic area. No one else really jogs or walks in there unless they are homeless, transiets. No one local around here says "I'm going for a walk/run in spring Creek park" she did it all the time with her dad and she felt safe, I probably would have gone as well by myself if this was my favorite place to run. She must have never come across anyone in there to alarm her. I don't think a person sat there and waited for her. I believe it was someone who was walking through and saw the opportunity.

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[x_files]

By the way: an anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university i am an alumni of, questioning 2.000 male students age between 19 and 35 years, 30 per cent of the students stated that they sometimes fantasize to have non-consensual sex with young women they do not know personally but saw their pics on instagram or facebook. I think 30% is a lot.

That is indeed.

 

[x_files]

That's disgusting that 30% fantasize about raping women...and those are just the ones that will admit it. This isn't...I wish I could meet this beautiful woman, charm her, and we'll hook up. What the hell is wrong with them? Entitlement issues 101.

Lots of rage, anger issues towards women that's part of it. Others sick of feeling rejected by other women so want to take out on another. Ted Bundy raped women who reminded him of a woman he liked/stalked but was rich, and snubbed him. Since, he was a malignant narcissistic he didn't clean his wounds and move on he dwelled on it.
That's my take. There's lots of angry people/men out there.

 

[Elainera]

By the way MarcBerlin, do you have an msm link for your anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university where you are an alumni?

Doesn't need to be msm, if the university published the study's results somewhere it would be great to have a link to that.

 

[Lauranyc83]

I really hope satellite imagery helps find him. Has anyone heard on other cases that this helped find the perpetrator?
http://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...ather-appeals-for-reward-donations-1.12162461


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[scapa]

By the way: an anonymous study made by the department of criminology from the university i am an alumni of, questioning 2.000 male students age between 19 and 35 years, 30 per cent of the students stated that they sometimes fantasize to have non-consensual sex with young women they do not know personally but saw their pics on instagram or facebook. I think 30% is a lot.

That doesn't sound like any of the studies I'm aware of, as a prof at a large research uni. A link would provide important context and nuance for those claims. I'd also note that self-reports of fantasy scenarios are a) notoriously untrustworthy and b) typically far removed from one's everyday goals and behaviours. Those for whom they aren't are the ones we see as perps on boards like this one.

best,

 

[jillycat]

Most likely. But I try very hard not to make assumptions until I've studied a case. For instance...how many people jog/walk in this particular area? If it's not a high traffic area, what does this predator do? Just park there for days, waiting for a victim? Seems unlikely. More likely he lives, works or frequents the area often. Unless, of course, Karina was his target all along. And that, naturally, makes me curious to know more about her. Some photos I've seen of her are very good. I wonder about the possibility that she might have agreed to meet up with a photographer in this area, either on the day she was murdered or at some point in the past. In general, I wonder who she knew who knew her routine.

Just thoughts.

I don't like assumptions either. So for now, I'm staying away from whether or not the victim was a drug user, etc.

I have no reason to think that this predator parked for days waiting for a victim.

I do however think that a murder can be both "random", in the sense that a predator is looking for an opportunity more than a particular person, and "targeted", in the sense that a predator might encounter a particular stranger on social media, in passing in the community, or on a trail, and view the person as a potential target based on his criteria for how likely he is to gain easy access to her. But I don't think this means she's significant to him as a victim beyond that. I believe that another victim would serve the predator's interests all the same, and it's all about opportunity and likely success in achieving the predator's goals.

Because someone is a target doesn't necessarily equal a lifestyle that places her in a perpetrator's path. Rather, it may well be that predators operate within a geography that is familiar to them and over which they perceive control and ability to move about without drawing unnecessary attention. Who they see/encounter randomly on their "corridor" or within a geographical triangle is who they "target". This is where I believe that geographical profiling is a better tool than victim lifestyle profiling when the initial investigation shows that there's no person known to the victim that's responsible and as in this case, the DNA doesn't point to anyone known to the system, and also where leads are few. I think this might lead to who did it quicker than asking who did the victim know or cross paths with in what type of context, because it may well be a case of hiding in plain sight with the only connection being geography that is of particular service to the predator. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Was Karina found in the same general area where 2 men were found burned in 2013? Same marsh, I mean?

 

[Lauranyc83]

Was Karina found in the same general area where 2 men were found burned in 2013? Same marsh, I mean?

The bodies found burned and brush fire was closer to the street and homes, whereas Karina was found more towards the shore. But it is the same area.


http://abc7ny.com/archive/9017441/
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[mocity]

Has it been stated what her running path was that day? Did she get on the trail over by the house on 84th street?