NY NY - Kingston, Wiltnych Rural Cemetery, WhtMale 30-50, UP6018, w/ photo of man & infant, Aug'88

[truthfinder2019]

Reposting evidence

1645UMNY

Concerning the Commertzbank 1988 calendar found in the wallet, at this link the story if the German bank with dates if opening of branches. For the US before 1988, NY and Chicago only. A few European cities only, was mostly in Germany

History of Commerzbank from 1870 to the present - Group Website

The history of Commerzbank from 1870 to the

www.commerzbank.de

 

[truthfinder2019]

The bib is a typical Italian one. With animals usually.
I still have one from the 1970s ( pic attached) . Usually in those days blue was strictly used for boys in Italy, I would assume that the baby in the photo is thus indeed a boy.

 

[truthfinder2019]

https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/6018/Documents/221

 

[truthfinder2019]

Better pictures from NameUS, plus clothes’ tags

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Susikatze]

The bib is a typical Italian one. With animals usually.
I still have one from the 1970s ( pic attached) . Usually in those days blue was strictly used for boys in Italy, I would assume that the baby in the photo is thus indeed a boy.

I faintly remember similar designs in the early 1980s in Austria and Germany, i have a baby blanket like that, but it is pink.
The guys possessions and clothes point to Germany, however such a type of rosary crucifix would be unusual as necklace even in very Catholic German areas and even in the 80s. In Italy it was worn, especially in the south.

Are they sure it was a necklace and not a rosary? My experience with it is limited since I am Jewish, but I grew up in a Catholic area. Id think a devout Catholic who is suicidal would take his rosary with him as comfort, especially since Catholics are technically not allowed to commit suicide. He may have felt a lot of remorse and guilt.

 

[truthfinder2019]

This is what NameUS reports:
One thin, delicate, yellow-metallic, chain necklace with a clasp wrapped around the decedent's neck. A bronze-colored cross is also attached to the chain.

This is really typical from southern Italy

You may be right that e may have had a rosary as well because the wallet description includes another crucifix:
A soft, black, leather wallet, appearing to be of good quality, is present in the back pocket of the pants. The wallet contains a "1988 Comerzbank Calender". Yellow metal crucifix with chain.

Could well be a German of italian origins / italian immigrant, having then mived to the US

René Lezard AG was indeed a german brand , so he could nit have bought the pants in Italy I suppose

 

[Romulus]

Reflection: Italian from Sudtirol or Southern Italy (Sicily, Apulia, Sardinia, Calabria or Basilicata) emigrated to Germany, France, and the United States, perhaps never reported missing; or a mafioso of Italian origin, the circumstances of the discovery are very strange and suspicious and what if it was a murder? Here too, killed by the mafia and never reported, the expensive clothes could also be explained, he seems to be a wealthy person; obviously without offending anyone with mafioso, it's just a hypothesis.

 

[ProductiveOne]

Cases submitted to NamUs and all agencies involved.

George Jay Vandermark who fled with $3 million may be this unidentified man with a gunshot wound to the head. His wallet held a photograph of what is believe to be the unidentified man holding an infant child (possibly Vandermark's son Jeff).

According to the International Missing Persons Wiki on Fandom:

"George Vandermark was the slot machine supervisor at the Stardust Resort and Casino. During this time, he was involved in the skimming of over $7 million from the slot machines; he gave $4 million to the Chicago Outfit, whose Las Vegas operations were under the control of Anthony Spilotro AKA "Tony the Ant," and he kept the rest for himself. On May 18, 1976, the Nevada Gaming Control Board staged an impromptu raid on the casino and uncovered the elaborate scheme. During the raid, George fled the city to escape the authorities and the mob, who were angry that George kept the remaining $3 million."

https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/George_Vandermark

WHAT VISUALLY ALIGNS WELL

-Mouth, especially the lips!

-Cleft/dimpled chin.

-Eyes, nose, and hairstyle


QUESTIONABLES

-Did Vandermark have his teeth fixed? The unidentified did have "extensive dental work" done.

-Could the UID's color photo have been taken in the 50s or 60s?

-Do the UID's eyebrows align with older Vandermark's eyebrows?


IMPORTANT INFORMATION

-NamUs has Vandermark height incorrect. His height is 6'2-6'4.

-In Vandermark's photo, he's wearing hearing aids in both ears.

-Vandermark had a son named Jeff who was murdered in his apartment by blunt-force trauma to the head sometime after Vandermark fled. Could Jeff be the baby in the UIDs photo?

-Vandermark will not be the man found in the barrel at Lake Mead. The barrel would have been placed there in 1988 or later. See the post I made here: NV - NV - Multiple Sets of Human Remains Found in Lake Mead

-There is DNA available for Vandermark, however, according to The Doe Network, the UID's DNA Sample is available but not yet submitted.



George Jay Vandermark (NamUs #MP1108)
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/1108/


Kingston, NY Unidentified (NamUs #UP6018)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[TootsieFootsie]

AI Overview

Yes, color photos existed in the 1950s, but they were expensive, difficult to process, and not as reliable as black and white film, which remained the dominant format for most amateur and even many professional photographers during that decade. Color photography became significantly more affordable and accessible to the average person in the 1960s, leading to a greater prevalence of color snapshots in the following years.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He looks like a match to me.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

For what it's worth, there are color photos taken of various weddings + important events during the 50s in my family's photo albums. Black and white film is still cheaper, though.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Same here re earlier colour photos.

I have various family ones that were even earlier, in the 1940s.

Some from more well off family branches.

Some larger studio portraits from the 50s I always thought were hand coloured.

 

[ProductiveOne]

Awesome!

You will not believe it! The very first year that the Rene Lezard brand (pants UID was wearing) was advertised in a US newspaper (at least the database I searched) was 1988, the year he died:

Oct 09, 1988, page 206 - The Pittsburgh Press at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com


This ad relates the brand to mob fashion for the movies, and it's very high end:

Oct 12, 1990, page 37 - The News and Observer at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com


Both cases have fingerprints on file, and I'm calling Monday to see if they compared them. I'd expect that the system would have matched their fingerprints a long time ago if they matched, but maybe one of the fingerprint samples isn't great so they'd have to have someone make a determination. I'll keep you all updated.

I know I probably want to see what I want to see, but could someone open the side-by-side, and look closely at the UID's left ear? It looks like a very faint clear hearing aid tube runs down into his ear, and that the bulky hearing aids from the 50s and 60s are pushing his ear (left) outward.

 

[Susikatze]

Cases submitted to NamUs and all agencies involved.

George Jay Vandermark who fled with $3 million may be this unidentified man with a gunshot wound to the head. His wallet held a photograph of what is believe to be the unidentified man holding an infant child (possibly Vandermark's son Jeff).

According to the International Missing Persons Wiki on Fandom:

"George Vandermark was the slot machine supervisor at the Stardust Resort and Casino. During this time, he was involved in the skimming of over $7 million from the slot machines; he gave $4 million to the Chicago Outfit, whose Las Vegas operations were under the control of Anthony Spilotro AKA "Tony the Ant," and he kept the rest for himself. On May 18, 1976, the Nevada Gaming Control Board staged an impromptu raid on the casino and uncovered the elaborate scheme. During the raid, George fled the city to escape the authorities and the mob, who were angry that George kept the remaining $3 million."

George Vandermark


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WHAT VISUALLY ALIGNS WELL

-Mouth, especially the lips!

-Cleft/dimpled chin.

-Eyes, nose, and hairstyle


QUESTIONABLES

-Did Vandermark have his teeth fixed? The unidentified did have "extensive dental work" done.

-Could the UID's color photo have been taken in the 50s or 60s?

-Do the UID's eyebrows align with older Vandermark's eyebrows?


IMPORTANT INFORMATION

-NamUs has Vandermark height incorrect. His height is 6'2-6'4.

-In Vandermark's photo, he's wearing hearing aids in both ears.

-Vandermark had a son named Jeff who was murdered in his apartment by blunt-force trauma to the head sometime after Vandermark fled. Could Jeff be the baby in the UIDs photo?

-Vandermark will not be the man found in the barrel at Lake Mead. The barrel would have been placed there in 1988 or later. See the post I made here: NV - NV - Multiple Sets of Human Remains Found in Lake Mead

-There is DNA available for Vandermark, however, according to The Doe Network, the UID's DNA Sample is available but not yet submitted.



George Jay Vandermark (NamUs #MP1108)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


Kingston, NY Unidentified (NamUs #UP6018)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Possible he went into hiding/got an alias for several years. Id call it in. But I am sure they at least had dentals and fingerprints for Vandermark when he was wanted by police?

 

[Susikatze]

Also I think the photo of the man with the baby was taken in the mid 1980s, not earlier,judging from the style of knit sweater and bib. My father wore identical sweaters between 1983 and 1989. Not 1970s fashion at all. So the photo must have been taken a few years only before he was found dead. Vandermark was much older when he went missing, even if he went into hiding, a photo taken of him in the mid 1980s would look like a way older man.

jmoo

 

[ninetimesfifteen]

I also don't think it's the same man. Man in the photo has a much rounder nose and a sharper jawline.

 

[ProductiveOne]

I don't disagree with either of you.

I contacted the Phoenix Police Department to see if they may have already ruled out the cases after comparing fingerprints but I was only able to leave a voice message to the detective handling the case.