NY NY - Monticello, WhtMale 30-45, 132UMNY, 'Puerto Rico' TShirt, duffel bag, rum, flashlight, Mar'97

[webrocket]

the UID is now in Namus complete with the facial reconstruction. no rule outs listed (unfortnately we know of at least one and he is not in there)

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9763

for what it is worth there is no weight estimate, however, the guy was thin. his underwear was a 30-32 and his jeans were a 27" waist. he also had small feet as his sneakers were only a size 8.

he was also noted to have had extensive and quality dental work done. the original Doe profile said he had some cavities so it looks like it had been a few years since he last saw a dentist.

so a guy who is 5'7", with a 27" waist would weight what, maybe 140 lbs? if he had alot of upper body muscle what is the upper limit, maybe 160-165?

 

[webrocket]

this could be the guy - Leon Rene Corriveau last seen in West Springfield, MA on or about June 10, 1986. was no taller than 5'6", had brown hair and used steroids.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14556/54/

he was only 20 years old however when he was last known alive.

not a bad facial resemblance in my opinion.

 

[Ambercat]

How about Edivano Ribeiro who went missing on February 10, 1996? His car was found later in a garage in New York.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4412/4

 

[tbw10567]

George Ostermann???

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/ostermann_george.html

Maybe he has been discussed but I couldn't find anything.

There seems to be alot of similarities. Height, clothing, time frame. Actually the clothing similarities has given me the willies...

 

[tbw10567]

Did anyone think these 2 were similar? Or was he ruled out?

 

[webrocket]

Did anyone think these 2 were similar? Or was he ruled out?

other than Suroush Saket-Oskoui who Carl submitted and was ruled out, we know of no other rule-outs.

 

[StarrChance]

Unidentified White Male

* Located on March 22, 1997 in Monticello, Sullivan County, New York.
* Estimated Date of Death: Late 1996
* Skeletal Remains
* Suicide by shotgun to the head

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 36 - 40 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6" - 5'9"
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark hair. Muscular enough build to be a weightlifter or laborer. He had a chronic respiratory infection and arthritis.
* Dentals: Available; several cavities.
* Clothing: He was wearing black Levi 550 jeans, a blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, and a black Hanes t-shirt with the words Puerto Rico, white palm trees, green and yellow iron-on type design, and black Reebok sneakers, size 8.
* Belongings: Yellow plastic flashlight and a bottle of rum in a black duffle bag.

Case History
Sometime around late 1996, the man packed a yellow plastic flashlight and a bottle of rum in a black duffle bag, and headed a few hundred feet off Harvey Road, near the Colonial Hill apartment complex. Then he sat down with his back against a tree, put a pistol to his left eye and pulled the trigger.
By the time a logger stumbled upon the decomposed remains on March 22, 1997, the man had already been dead at least one winter, maybe longer.[/QUOTE]

Thought I would start with the definite rule-outs as NamUs has DNA on file

1. Edivano Ribeiro DNA in NamUs

2. Mitchell Hamilton DNA in NamUs

3. Carlos Diaz DNA in NamUs

4. Ronnie A Bolin DNA in NamUs

5. Sueush Saket Ostiou Carl K talked to inverstagater ~ruled out

Now the rest are a bit more tricky as a former member (pondering things )said they had contact the le email link and he said the rest had been ruled out, being former member hard to clarify and many years so have decided to post the not sure exclusions and might be able to email LE for any updates (rule in or outs)

George Ostermann In NAmUs but no dental no DNA or FP

Johnny Robert Doyle In NamUs however no dental, DNA underway and fingerprints elsewhere

Jodie Moreno Caballero I can't find a Namus page, there is a Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/josemoreno...se manager? Any ideas where to go from here?

 

[StarrChance]

Is this case not in NamUs , how do they get entered?

 

[bflocket]

Is this case not in NamUs , how do they get entered?

Webrocket posted the link (NamUs UP # 9763) earlier on this page.

It at least states that it was a revolver/pistol, so we know that the "shotgun" part is wrong. Maybe they got "gunshot" backward somehow.

The reconstruction doesn't really show any detail that would help decide whether the guy was Hispanic/Latino. His shirt led me to believe that he could have been Puerto Rican, but he could just as easily been a "white guy" that had gone there on vacation there.

 

[ghostINshell]

Why didn't this witness or whoever saw him commit suicide call 911 right after they saw him do that????

 

[carbuff]

Updated Namus link: Unidentified Person Case

Two ruleouts, William Higgins from PA and Jose Flores III from Kings NY.

 

[dotr]

Updated Namus link: Unidentified Person Case

Two ruleouts, William Higgins from PA and Jose Flores III from Kings NY.

From link, noting green hanky in left pocket..rbbm.fwiw.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

''Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP9763 Male, White / Caucasian
Date Body FoundMarch 22, 1997
Location FoundMonticello, New York
Green Bandanna found in left rear pocket. A "Dony" black duffle bag with shoulder strap contained one yellow plastic flashlight and one bottle of rum''

Handkerchief code - Wikipedia
''The handkerchief code (also known as the hanky code, the bandana code, and flagging[1]) is a color-coded system, employed usually among the gay male casual-sex seekers or BDSM practitioners in the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe, to indicate preferred sexual fetishes, what kind of sex they are seeking, and whether they are a top/dominant or bottom/submissive.

Wearing a handkerchief on the left side of the body typically indicates one is a "top" (one considered active in the practice of the act/fetish indicated by the color of the handkerchief), while wearing it on the right side of the body would indicate one is a "bottom" (one considered passive in the practice of the act/fetish indicated by the color of the handkerchief). The hanky code was widely used in the 1970s by gay and bisexual men.''

Green Hustler/prostitution''

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Unidentified: Village of Monticello, Sullivan County, NY​

Basic Information
Race: White
Sex: Male
Age: 36 to 40
Height: 5' 6" to 5' 9"
Other: medium build; dark hair
Additional Information
Remains Found: 03/22/1997
Location: Harvey Rd., Monticello, NY
Victims Apparel: Found wearing black Levi 550 jeans, a blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, and a black Hanes t-shirt with the words "Puerto Rico," white palm trees, green and yellow iron on type design, and black Reebok sneakers (size 8).
If you have any information, please call:
New York State Police
Troop F, Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Investigator Rick Sauer
Liberty, New York
Phone: (845) 292-6600
or e-mail the information to: [email protected]
Web page posted May 1, 2000.

Unidentified: Village of Monticello, Sullivan County, NY

Remains Found: 03/22/1997 Location: Harvey Rd., Monticello, NY

troopers.ny.gov

 

[PatLaurel]

I came across Christopher Allen Zahl and thought of this UID. I see a resemblance, but maybe it's just me.
CAZ owned a Christmas Tree farm, it could explain the "muscular build". CAZ was 5'9" and weighed 200lbs. Although he went missing in 1994, there was speculation that he may have started a new life somewhere else.

875DMNJ - Christopher Allen Zahl
The Missing Christopher Zahl
New Jersey State Police - Missing Persons

Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com
Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com
Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com

What do you think?

MOO JMO

 

[Aurora90]

Opps. Looks like as per WS thread, Jose Flores III was ruled out.

But here's a strange coincidence if I ever saw one.

There is a Jose Flores who went missing a few months after this one on December 20, 1994 From Spring Valley, New York. This Jose Flores was 37 Years at the time of his disappearance and went missing wearing similar clothing to UP9763.
I am going to submit Jose Flores MP70532 instead!

Quoting my comment from Jose Flores III's WS thread. Submitting Jose Flores MP70532 as a possible match. I wonder if there is any relation.

 

[DS2021]

2 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[Aurora90]

Jose Flores NamUs #MP70532
Date of Last Contact: December 20, 1994
Missing From: Spring Valley, New York
Missing Age: 37 Years
Height: 5' 7" - 5' 7" (67 - 67 Inches) (same as John Doe)
Weight: 140 - 140 lbs
Circumstances: SUBJECT LEFT HIS RESIDENCE. POSSIBLY IN THE HAVERSTRAW AREA.
Clothing: BLACK VEST TYPE JACKET, BLACK JEANS, WHITE SHIRT, AND BLACK SNEAKERS (bolded is same as John Doe)

 

[beavt]

Can anyone dig up a picture of MP70544 Morris Pejsach:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Can anyone dig up a picture of MP70544 Morris Pejsach:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov