NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon because he was famous and people admired him. Chapman was jealous of Lennon’s popularity, talent and success. Chapman was a loser without talent who fancied himself more talented than Lennon.

Andrew Cunanan was similar to Chapman in that he also wanted to be wealthy and famous without having to exert any effort or develop talent. He was also jealous of the people he killed .

Both killers were prolific liars who pretended to have more money and material wealth than others. Chapman pretended to be a wealthy art collector. Both were often in debt to other people. Neither had met any goals related to education or career development.

OTOH, Mangione was someone who had wealth of his own, but lived somewhat frugally. He completed a quality education, with honors and accomplishments and worked hard at his career in spite of his poor health.

Unlike Chapman and Cunanan, he had no aspirations to be like his victim. He wasn’t jealous of Thompson’s talents, but felt he was using his skills to harm innocent people. Mangione didn’t aspire to work for the insurance industry. He had friends and colleagues and was respected and liked by his peers.

Lucas Mangione had nothing in common with Chapman or Cunanan. The motives behind the murders they committed were different.

I disagree in that I believe all 3 murdered for the infamy. Mangione just believed that he was a vigilante doing good, but it could have been any CEO.

 

[Betty P]

I disagree in that I believe all 3 murdered for the infamy. Mangione just believed that he was a vigilante doing good, but it could have been any CEO.

It’s ok to disagree.

Mangione sought to escape and hide after his crime. He hasn’t sought any media interviews. Chapman remained at the murder scene, talking to police. He and his wife have given many interviews over the years. He’s often talked badly about Lennon, who did no harm to him or anyone else.

Cunanan committed suicide after his murder spree.

Mangione appeared to have seen himself as a martyr for a humanitarian cause, but it was the wrong way to call attention to the crimes and inhuman practices of the insurance industry in the US. He should not have taken the man’s life. If Mangione was trying to call attention to anything it was the cause for humane health care reform. Neither Chapman or Cunanan had a social justice cause they were championing.

 

[Sundog]

It’s ok to disagree.

Mangione sought to escape and hide after his crime. He hasn’t sought any media interviews. Chapman remained at the murder scene, talking to police. He and his wife have given many interviews over the years. He’s often talked badly about Lennon, who did no harm to him or anyone else.

Cunanan committed suicide after his murder spree.

Mangione appeared to have seen himself as a martyr for a humanitarian cause, but it was the wrong way to call attention to the crimes and inhuman practices of the insurance industry in the US. He should not have taken the man’s life. If Mangione was trying to call attention to anything it was the cause for humane health care reform. Neither Chapman or Cunanan had a social justice cause they were championing.

Mangione is a cold-blooded murderer who was looking for fame. An entitled rich kid who wanted attention and murdered a man to get it. The "cause" that Mangione was championing was himself, Luigi Mangione. He'll rot in prison, where he belongs.

 

[mrC]

the cliam that he overstayed his welcome is cleary as he was still eating and he had only been there 30 minutes, looked suspicious well i suppose that's a matter of opinion but cops don't normally have time to come out question everybody looks suspicious

 

[LinasK]

the cliam that he overstayed his welcome is cleary as he was still eating and he had only been there 30 minutes, looked suspicious well i suppose that's a matter of opinion but cops don't normally have time to come out question everybody looks suspicious

30 minutes is a very long time to eat a meal. Most people are finished in 20 minutes or less.

 

[LinasK]

It’s ok to disagree.

Mangione sought to escape and hide after his crime. He hasn’t sought any media interviews. Chapman remained at the murder scene, talking to police. He and his wife have given many interviews over the years. He’s often talked badly about Lennon, who did no harm to him or anyone else.

Cunanan committed suicide after his murder spree.

Mangione appeared to have seen himself as a martyr for a humanitarian cause, but it was the wrong way to call attention to the crimes and inhuman practices of the insurance industry in the US. He should not have taken the man’s life. If Mangione was trying to call attention to anything it was the cause for humane health care reform. Neither Chapman or Cunanan had a social justice cause they were championing.

And yet Brian's death has accomplished nothing for healthcare reform, so his death was needless. That's NOT how you effect social change. Mangione just wanted the glory and infamy for doing so, just like Chapman and Cunnanan.

 

[mrC]

but he was still eating so could not of been considered to be littering as far as i know McDonald's dont give you time limet for eating your breakfast

 

[Trebor5591]

Mangione is a cold-blooded murderer who was looking for fame. An entitled rich kid who wanted attention and murdered a man to get it. The "cause" that Mangione was championing was himself, Luigi Mangione. He'll rot in prison, where he belongs.

Not so certain about the "cause" part of your post. My understanding is that Mangione was unhappy with the health insurance industry, just as lots of people are, and the operating model that puts profits ahead of their responsibility to help their customers (by denying claims) when they are sick and in need of medical care. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I think 'loitering' was LE's polite way of saying, "you're coming with us. We won't make a scene if you won't make a scene." Plus room for a genuine doppelganger. "Come with us and we'll sort this out."

JMO

 

[LinasK]

I think 'loitering' was LE's polite way of saying, "you're coming with us. We won't make a scene if you won't make a scene." Plus room for a genuine doppelganger. "Come with us and we'll sort this out."

JMO

Exactly! They weren't going to question him in McDonald's in front of everyone. They needed to get him somewhere private. LE had reason to believe that he looked suspicious and good for this crime. They don't just target random people.

 

[Sundog]

Not so certain about the "cause" part of your post. My understanding is that Mangione was unhappy with the health insurance industry, just as lots of people are, and the operating model that puts profits ahead of their responsibility to help their customers (by denying claims) when they are sick and in need of medical care. JMO

I think Mangione was just looking for a "cause" and a victim to go with it that checked all the boxes, as he wrote in his diary. For LM, Brian was just a convenient target, IMO. Gave him a narrative to exploit.

 

[mrC]

but why lie about why say he was lottering when he wasn't why even put such a cliam

 

[LinasK]

but why lie about why say he was lottering when he wasn't why even put such a cliam

Why is it a relevant issue? Police can use holding charges all the time. They are also allowed to lie to suspects. Doesn't matter whether or not he was loitering, and he probably was-if he was taking 30 minutes to eat. McDonald's could have complained of him loitering and taking up valuable table space that could have been turned over to use for other customers.

 

[mrC]

if they thought he was the shooter why not just say so

 

[FromGermany1]

Exactly! They weren't going to question him in McDonald's in front of everyone. They needed to get him somewhere private. LE had reason to believe that he looked suspicious and good for this crime. They don't just target random people.

Slightly O/T:
When I saw the female suspect walking through my town, who I thaught had stolen my wallet days before in a supermarket, I called police. I gave a description of the woman and where to find her probably: in a drugstore, which I saw her heading towards.
At the same time I had an appointment at my bank because of the theft, so I wasn't present myself at the drugstore. But later I saw, that the police car was still staying in front of the shop, when I passed. LE had only my description and my suspicion; they indeed went there to look for the suspect. Like they said to me during the call before, they planned to ask the person for her ID at least. Unfortunately, I don't know, what they did in addition perhaps. (As later became known, the thief of my wallet is a man and not a woman.)

This is of course GER and maybe not comparable, Idk.

 

[mrC]

well thats not the only strange thing about the arest theres the fake id cliam as well why does he show them a fake and then tell them as real kinda deafeats the object of having a fake id in the first place doesnt it

theres also the mulitple pat downs and search of his bag

 

[Betty P]

Not so certain about the "cause" part of your post. My understanding is that Mangione was unhappy with the health insurance industry, just as lots of people are, and the operating model that puts profits ahead of their responsibility to help their customers (by denying claims) when they are sick and in need of medical care. JMO

Agree, you don’t need to be looking for fame to despise the health insurance industry. Millions of Americans do.

If Mangione was only looking for fame, he would have stayed at the crime scene and taken credit for the murder as Chapman did after killing John Lennon.

 

[mrC]

the whole arest was ilgal acording to his attorney if what is cliamed here that wasnt the suspected shooter and they had no reason to think he was why the hell did they arest him Lawyer for accused CEO killer Luigi Mangione seeks to dismiss PA charges

 

[Betty P]

the whole arest was ilgal acording to his attorney if what is cliamed here that wasnt the suspected shooter and they had no reason to think he was why the hell did they arest him Lawyer for accused CEO killer Luigi Mangione seeks to dismiss PA charges

The defense attorney is doing what he’s hired to do, but it does appear Altoona, PA police did make some mistakes. I don’t understand why they didn’t read him his rights sooner. I’m guessing this wasn’t the typical arrest scenario for them.

 

[Sundog]

If Mangione was only looking for fame, he would have stayed at the crime scene and taken credit for the murder as Chapman did after killing John Lennon.

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Not if you're a coward, he wouldn't.

And that's exactly what Mangione is.