NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[jesse]

Agree that we'll see some sort of mental defect by the Defense. His Mother's statement that "it sounds like something Luigi could be capable of" when speaking with the FBI really makes me wonder about the family dynamics.

JMO

Do you have a source for that? As far as I'm aware the mother's alleged statement is just a rumor.

 

[Sundog]

Do you have a source for that? As far as I'm aware the mother's alleged statement is just a rumor.

It has been reported in a number of MSM. Link below is one source.

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.usatoday.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

It has been reported in a number of MSM. Link below is one source.

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.usatoday.com

Thanks @Sundog for posting that in response for a link, I was offline most of yesterday.

 

[detective.moon]

Luigi Mangione’s attorneys say prosecutors wrongfully obtained his medical records

Attorneys for the man accused of gunning down the UnitedHealthcare CEO last December now claim in a new court filing that Manhattan prosecutors wrongfully obtained Luigi Mangione’s medical records from his insurance carrier.

www.ctvnews.ca

“The District Attorney falsely made up a court date - May 23, 2025 - and drafted a fraudulent subpoena that if Aetna did not provide documents on that date, it would be in contempt of Court,” the letter says. “Then, rather than having Aetna give the documents to the Court, as required by the already fraudulent subpoena, the District Attorney told Aetna to provide the documents directly to the District Attorney, intentionally eliminating the Court from the subpoena process and ensuring that the District Attorney would secure these confidential medical records.”

if this is true it’s not a good look for the prosecution, and it’s not the first time something like this happens (i’m thinking of the time someone from prosecution was apparently listening in on a phone call). i mean.. they should know how important it is to do everything by the book in a case like this!

 

[Sundog]

Luigi Mangione’s attorneys say prosecutors wrongfully obtained his medical records

Attorneys for the man accused of gunning down the UnitedHealthcare CEO last December now claim in a new court filing that Manhattan prosecutors wrongfully obtained Luigi Mangione’s medical records from his insurance carrier.

www.ctvnews.ca

“The District Attorney falsely made up a court date - May 23, 2025 - and drafted a fraudulent subpoena that if Aetna did not provide documents on that date, it would be in contempt of Court,” the letter says. “Then, rather than having Aetna give the documents to the Court, as required by the already fraudulent subpoena, the District Attorney told Aetna to provide the documents directly to the District Attorney, intentionally eliminating the Court from the subpoena process and ensuring that the District Attorney would secure these confidential medical records.”

if this is true it’s not a good look for the prosecution, and it’s not the first time something like this happens (i’m thinking of the time someone from prosecution was apparently listening in on a phone call). i mean.. they should know how important it is to do everything by the book in a case like this!

The prosecution's response:

“As defence counsel knows, the people requested very limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent us additional materials in error,” a spokesperson for the district attorney’s office told CNN. “We deleted the materials as soon as we became aware of them and brought it to defense and the court’s attention.” The DA’s office said it will respond further in a court filing.

 

[stanerd]

The prosecution's response:

“As defence counsel knows, the people requested very limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent us additional materials in error,” a spokesperson for the district attorney’s office told CNN. “We deleted the materials as soon as we became aware of them and brought it to defense and the court’s attention.” The DA’s office said it will respond further in a court filing.

It will be interesting to see how the DA's office responds in the court filing. Remember the old saying "there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle."

 

[detective.moon]

The prosecution's response:

“As defence counsel knows, the people requested very limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent us additional materials in error,” a spokesperson for the district attorney’s office told CNN. “We deleted the materials as soon as we became aware of them and brought it to defense and the court’s attention.” The DA’s office said it will respond further in a court filing.

but that doesn’t explain eliminating the court from the subpoena process and making up a fake court date they said they needed the documents for

and yes they say they immediately deleted the information, just like they said they immediately hung up the phone when they were listening in on a conversation they weren’t allowed to listen in on. i suppose in the best case this (the part that they addressed) is really just unfortunate circumstances that brings the prosecution in these kinds of situations! but i can’t help but think it looks a bit messy. and then there’s still no explanation given for bypassing the court etc.

 

[Sundog]

but that doesn’t explain eliminating the court from the subpoena process and making up a fake court date they said they needed the documents for

and yes they say they immediately deleted the information, just like they said they immediately hung up the phone when they were listening in on a conversation they weren’t allowed to listen in on. i suppose in the best case this (the part that they addressed) is really just unfortunate circumstances that brings the prosecution in these kinds of situations! but i can’t help but think it looks a bit messy. and then there’s still no explanation given for bypassing the court etc.

The defense team is going after any and every procedural issue they can since they don't have anything else, which is understandable. I will wait for the judge to hold a hearing on these issues, not trust the defense team until all the information is reviewed in court. The defense wants to try this case in the court of public opinion, which they think is on their client's side. That's their job, but I don't trust this team at all. JMO.

 

[detective.moon]

The defense team is going after any and every procedural issue they can since they don't have anything else, which is understandable. I will wait for the judge to hold a hearing on these issues, not trust the defense team until all the information is reviewed in court. The defense wants to try this case in the court of public opinion, which they think is on their client's side. That's their job, but I don't trust this team at all. JMO.

that makes sense! i have to say, i felt that way about the prosecution team. perhaps i shouldn’t trust either

 

[Betty P]

It will be interesting to see how the DA's office responds in the court filing. Remember the old saying "there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle."

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. Someone messed up somewhere. It’s disturbing to see how patients privacy rights are so easily violated.

 

[girlhasnoname]

True, as I recall United Health Care was not his insurance provider. IIRC, he did some research on the subject of industry abuse and focused on them. They have a very poor track record of violations, one of the worst insurance companies in the business.

unitedhealth-group | Violation Tracker

Violation Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.

violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org

UnitedHealth Group Abuse Tracker - American Economic Liberties Project

UnitedHealth Group has a long history of denying claims for necessary procedures or medications, unfairly squeezing out independent physician practices and pharmacies, and fraudulently manipulating medical and patient data to maximize its profits.

www.economicliberties.us

Details of United Health’s abuse problems will probably come out at the trial as part of the killer’s motive. Mangione probably thought this was the only way to shine a spotlight on this company’s patient abuse and corrupt business practices.

I wonder if he will testify on his own behalf? Either way, there’s probably computer and internet evidence of his research on UHG while planning who his target was going to be.

Murder is never the answer, but UHG seems to get by with a lot of illegal activity while being protected by the US news media. It seems it’s probably a part of the reason LM focused on them.

UHC was already getting well deserved bad press even before Luig came along. They were being investigated for many claims of wrong doing and of malfeasance by top Exec's for alleged insider trading ahead of a large class action lawsuit (City of Hollywoods Firefighters Pension).

I despise their lack of ethics and practices and hope all involved receive proper punishment if found guilty. That doesn't mean or excuse being executed on the street; vigilante justice

<snipped>

July 2023, UnitedHealth Group has agreed to pay at least $20.25 million to settle a U.S. Department of Labor lawsuit that alleged a division of the company, called UMR, wrongly denied thousands of claims to pay health care providers for emergency room services and urinary drug screenings.

<snipped>

Three UnitedHealth-owned insurance companies must pay over $165M (down from the $365M amount) for misleading thousands of customers in Massachusetts into paying for additional health insurance, a state judge has ruled.

UnitedHealth paying $20.25M to settle lawsuit alleging improper denial of certain medical claims

UnitedHealth told to pay out millions for misleading consumers on insurance

JMO

 

[acutename]

Luigi Mangione’s attorneys say prosecutors wrongfully obtained his medical records

Attorneys for the man accused of gunning down the UnitedHealthcare CEO last December now claim in a new court filing that Manhattan prosecutors wrongfully obtained Luigi Mangione’s medical records from his insurance carrier.

www.ctvnews.ca

“The District Attorney falsely made up a court date - May 23, 2025 - and drafted a fraudulent subpoena that if Aetna did not provide documents on that date, it would be in contempt of Court,” the letter says. “Then, rather than having Aetna give the documents to the Court, as required by the already fraudulent subpoena, the District Attorney told Aetna to provide the documents directly to the District Attorney, intentionally eliminating the Court from the subpoena process and ensuring that the District Attorney would secure these confidential medical records.”

if this is true it’s not a good look for the prosecution, and it’s not the first time something like this happens (i’m thinking of the time someone from prosecution was apparently listening in on a phone call). i mean.. they should know how important it is to do everything by the book in a case like this!

FWIW, and I am not familiar with NY law, a lot of subpoenas have a date in them that changes- discovery subpoenas are usually tied to the date of an expected deposition- and that gets rescheduled, and even if they are in anticipation of a court date, that gets rescheduled. Of course I am not saying that this excuses prosecutors in a case like this that is under a microscope and will be finely dissected if they put in "incorrect due dates".... also think that only disputed subpoenas go before a judge routinely...?...IMO.

https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/ao_089b_0.pdf

 

[sds71]

• UnitedHealth Group revealed it is facing a Justice Department criminal and civil investigation over its Medicare billing practices, adding to a string of setbacks for a company that owns America’s largest and most powerful private insurer.
• UnitedHealth also said it has launched a third-party review of its business policies and performance metrics.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/24/unitedhealthcare-doj-investigation-medicare-billing.html

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[mrC]

thankyou for that very interesting

 

[arielilane]

@Uebey


Update: Luigi Mangione is getting his laptop.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952420797156360442

 

[girlhasnoname]

@Uebey


Update: Luigi Mangione is getting his laptop.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952420797156360442

Sounds like it's SOP at MDC and it will not be allowed to access the internet, printers or wireless connections. JMO

 

[mrC]

good im glad to hear it

 

[tlcya]

The prosecution's response:

“As defence counsel knows, the people requested very limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent us additional materials in error,” a spokesperson for the district attorney’s office told CNN. “We deleted the materials as soon as we became aware of them and brought it to defense and the court’s attention.” The DA’s office said it will respond further in a court filing.

Without seeing exactly what the subpoena called for it is hard to know whether that response holds water. I will be curious to see how this plays out.

 

[sds71]

Prosecutors respond to LM’s claim that they were “plainly lying” on a subpoena to nab his health records.“Through no fault of the people, Aetna seemingly provided materials outside of the scope of the subpoena.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1953850103308960024