NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[mrC]

hes not been established in a court of law that hes dna has been found in many cases the police say they the dna but its established in court that iit is nt and in any case most of these items cant be linked to the murder all it proves is he was at that spot at some time

 

[MassGuy]

hes not been established in a court of law that hes dna has been found in many cases the police say they the dna but its established in court that iit is nt and in any case most of these items cant be linked to the murder all it proves is he was at that spot at some time

That’s simply not true. I can’t think of a single case where the state has claimed dna linked the offender, and it did not. It’s a dream case as far as evidence goes.

 

[mrC]

if its a dream case they would be so worried about an aquitel and they clearly are or they of pursued fedral charges as well

they say they found his dna was it a full profile or a partial one makes all the diffrence when it comes to court

and finger prints found on a water bottle prove him guilty of haveing a drink of water in newyork ay some time

 

[justtrish]

if its a dream case they would be so worried about an aquitel and they clearly are or they of pursued fedral charges as well

they say they found his dna was it a full profile or a partial one makes all the diffrence when it comes to court

and finger prints found on a water bottle prove him guilty of haveing a drink of water in newyork ay some time

I do not believe the local authorities have anything to do with weather federal authorities charge a person also. I am glad federal charges were also fired. This is certainly a case worthy of the DP and NY does not have the DP. To kill a man simply because you don't like his job or what he represents is pretty disturbing.

 

[mrC]

clearly the feds he will get of in newyork

 

[justtrish]

clearly the feds he will get of in newyork

If what you meant is he will get off in New York, then I don't agree. I have more faith in the system than to assume a jury in New York won't convict him. I would like to see the Federal charges move forward because I would like the option of the DP. His level of pre planning and executing this crime is particularly cold and callous.

 

[Serononin]

clearly the feds he will get of in newyork

I don't think the federal charges have anything to do with the strength of the NY case. I think they were added largely because, what with the high profile of this case and the anger towards the system that it stirred up in the public, they want to make an example of Mangione to try and dissuade anyone who might be thinking about a copycat crime

 

[Arkay]

When arrested, he was carrying the exact same gun used in the murders, a manifesto, and the exact same fake ID he used at the hostel. HIs fingerprints or DNA were found on multiple items, and his movements were tracked all over the city. There is no question they have the right guy.

Yes, all the dots connect.

In his manifesto, LM even stated that he did this alone. He did not deny but instead proudly claimed that he killed the victim.

He turned on what he apparently thought was his charm, when he removed his mask to grin at the female hostel clerk.

From there, with his face revealed on camera, he was tracked all the way to where he was found. In McDonalds he had to remove his mask to munch on his hash brown and was recognized, due to his pictures being made public.

Even when arrested, he didn’t say “what’s this all about?” Or “you’ve got the wrong guy.”

He wasn’t startled at being arrested—-he was indignant because he’d thought he’d gotten away with it and had outsmarted LE.

Instead, he just tangled with the police and yelled something about the insult to the intelligence of Americans.

As I’ve said many threads ago, he was brought down by a hash brown.

IMO

 

[mrC]

i havent seen his alleged manifesto


the fact its a high profile doesnt really justify fedral inbolvement i mean they never perue fedral charges agianst serial killers they never purued fedral chardges agianst oj simpson high profile doesnt normally mean the feds get involved

 

[justtrish]

i havent seen his alleged manifesto


the fact its a high profile doesnt really justify fedral inbolvement i mean they never perue fedral charges agianst serial killers they never purued fedral chardges agianst oj simpson high profile doesnt normally mean the feds get involved

OJ Simpson's crimes didn't qualify for federal charges. There has to be a federal crime for it to be charged that way. I believe in this case LM crossed state lines committing these crimes. Not all high-profile crimes will fall under federal jurisdiction. In this case there was a federal grand jury that decided charges were warranted.

Luigi Mangione Charged with the Stalking and Murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and Use of a Silencer in a Crime of Violence

A criminal complaint was unsealed today charging Luigi Nicholas Mangione, 26, of Towson, Maryland, in connection with the Dec. 4 murder of UnitedHealthcare executive Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan. Mangione was taken into federal custody today and will be presented this afternoon in...

www.justice.gov

As alleged in the complaint, over the course of the last several months, Mangione meticulously planned the execution of Brian Thompson in an effort to initiate a public discussion about the healthcare industry. Mangione targeted the victim, tracked his whereabouts, and traveled from out of state to New York City, where the victim was scheduled to attend the company’s investor conference. After arriving in the city on Nov. 24, more than one week before the murder, Mangione performed reconnaissance in the area around the victim’s hotel and the conference venue where the victim was scheduled to speak. Using a false identification, Mangione checked into an Upper West Side hostel.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

if its a dream case they would be so worried about an aquitel and they clearly are or they of pursued fedral charges as well

This just isn't true.

Even in a "slam dunk" case there is always the possibility of an acquittal due to some kind of glitch, like LE failed to document something correctly or the chain of evidence got broken. That's before even considering that a juror or two might become a holdout.

Multiple charges give LE a backup, if you will, if something happens to their main case that isn't an honest "we don't believe he did it" acquittal.

Here's a good example, in a case I followed years ago. A man entered a woman's house and killed her, then drove off in her car. The authorities charged him with all the relevant murder charges, but also with burglary, due to him taking her car. That was their backup in case something prevented him being convicted of the murder, they could still get him off the street by prosecuting the burglary charge.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

i havent seen his alleged manifesto

You may find it clarifying. Here are portions that were released by LE. These are Mangione’s own words, in which he describes his motive and his methods in planning to kill the CEO of United Healthcare.

Again——his own words, written in his own notebook, in his handwriting, addressed to law enforcement.

If he says he did it, and tells us why, how can any of us outsiders dispute it?

He’s pleading Not Guilty, not because he didn’t kill Brian, but because he claims he had the right to kill him due to flaws in the healthcare system.

NOT my opinion, but what we have been informed by law enforcement.

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

Luigi Mangione's full manifesto was released by journalist Ken Klippenstein and later confirmed to be legitimate by police.

www.newsweek.com

 

[mrC]

untill i see a handwriting anylises of it i canbe sure that is his manifesto

 

[girlhasnoname]

OJ Simpson's crimes didn't qualify for federal charges. There has to be a federal crime for it to be charged that way. I believe in this case LM crossed state lines committing these crimes. Not all high-profile crimes will fall under federal jurisdiction. In this case there was a federal grand jury that decided charges were warranted.

Luigi Mangione Charged with the Stalking and Murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and Use of a Silencer in a Crime of Violence

A criminal complaint was unsealed today charging Luigi Nicholas Mangione, 26, of Towson, Maryland, in connection with the Dec. 4 murder of UnitedHealthcare executive Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan. Mangione was taken into federal custody today and will be presented this afternoon in...

www.justice.gov

As alleged in the complaint, over the course of the last several months, Mangione meticulously planned the execution of Brian Thompson in an effort to initiate a public discussion about the healthcare industry. Mangione targeted the victim, tracked his whereabouts, and traveled from out of state to New York City, where the victim was scheduled to attend the company’s investor conference. After arriving in the city on Nov. 24, more than one week before the murder, Mangione performed reconnaissance in the area around the victim’s hotel and the conference venue where the victim was scheduled to speak. Using a false identification, Mangione checked into an Upper West Side hostel.

Right and I think they're charging it as an act of domestic terrorism which automatically made it a Federal case, eligible for the DP.

JMO

 

[sds71]

New York judge tosses terrorism charges against Luigi Mangione, lets murder count stand in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing.

https://www.nycourts.gov/legacypdfs/press/pdfs/PeoplevLuigiMangione-omnidecision-091625.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967945221385400478

 

[stanerd]

New York judge tosses terrorism charges against Luigi Mangione, lets murder count stand in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing.

https://www.nycourts.gov/legacypdfs/press/pdfs/PeoplevLuigiMangione-omnidecision-091625.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967945221385400478

I always thought the terrorism charge was a stretch. Really, this should be a simple NY state murder case but the terrorism charge and fed charges were tacked on for political reasons IMO.

 

[Megnut]

New York judge tosses terrorism charges against Luigi Mangione, lets murder count stand in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing.

https://www.nycourts.gov/legacypdfs/press/pdfs/PeoplevLuigiMangione-omnidecision-091625.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967945221385400478

Just responding out loud to the ruling --

If that's not domestic terrorism, what is? It wasn't the murder of a domestic partner or crime of opportunity, wasn't a burglary give bad. He targeted a figurehead, someone he probably knew very little about as a person. Never bothered to arrange a real conversation, to learn his philosophy of business, coverage, etc. Shot a man in the back, but not just any man. Thought that's how you invite dialogue, with murder. Raising the spectre of fear for others in positions of power. Isn't that what  terrorism is?

JMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967949921434124690

 

[BrianJohnson]

Why is it second degree murder and not first? he travelled into a different state to carry out murder, stalked him etc, 2nd degree usually means heat of the moment like shooting an intruder, he heavily planned this

 

[Jw192]

I've been cautioned against commenting on this case online (I became a bit passionate) but just wanted to pop on and say... I said right at the start that it wasn't terrorism. By their own definition, terrorism didn't fit no matter which way it was swung about.

Ima go now before I start again ha