PA PA - Henryville, Rte 191, UnkMale 50-60, UP9734, torso in blk garbage bag, wired sternum, Dec'11

[Gardener1850]

This likewise goes for the other cases, the most recent of which involves the torso of a white male in his 50s found Dec. 26, 2011 on Route 191 in Paradise Township. The man is determined to have been murdered through unknown violent means.

http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20171225/coroner-works-to-identify-remains

 

[Melt71]

At least the Parabon results gave some ideas "DNA phenotype “snapshot” listed high probabilities that the victim had very fair skin, brown or hazel eyes, reddish brown or black hair and few freckles".

Given the time-proximity of the open-heart surgery to his death (previous 6-12 mths) there will be no mention of it in any MP report made earlier than, say late 2010.

 

[CCJD]

The man had been dead anywhere between two weeks and two months, reports indicate.

According to the FBI, the man would have been in his 50s or 60s. He had thoracic surgery about 10 years before his death, which investigators know due to his sternum being fused together with wire and surgical clips. He would have a scar from the surgery on his chest.
Torso found along Pa. road in 2011 still unidentified, FBI seeks leads

 

[CCJD]

CASE: Media Release #1957, Unidentified Male Torso, Paradise Township, Monroe County, PA

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Melt71]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[CCJD]

Published: 6:48 PM EST December 28, 2022

Updated: 6:48 PM EST December 28, 2022

MONROE COUNTY, Pa. — Police are attempting to identify an unidentified body in 2011.

According to Pa. Crime Stoppers, a citizen was walking along State Route 191 in Paradise Township, Monroe County when they discovered the remains of a man.

The body was wrapped inside four black garbage bags. It has been estimated that the victim was killed within two months of being discovered. The body was located approximately 6/10 miles south of Sylvan Cascade Road.

Police seek tips in 2011 discovery of body wrapped in garbage bags

A person was walking along State Route 191 in Monroe County when they discovered the remains of a man wrapped in four garbage bags.

www.fox43.com

 

[Puzzleworth]

Published: 6:48 PM EST December 28, 2022

Updated: 6:48 PM EST December 28, 2022

MONROE COUNTY, Pa. — Police are attempting to identify an unidentified body in 2011.

According to Pa. Crime Stoppers, a citizen was walking along State Route 191 in Paradise Township, Monroe County when they discovered the remains of a man.

The body was wrapped inside four black garbage bags. It has been estimated that the victim was killed within two months of being discovered. The body was located approximately 6/10 miles south of Sylvan Cascade Road.

Police seek tips in 2011 discovery of body wrapped in garbage bags

A person was walking along State Route 191 in Monroe County when they discovered the remains of a man wrapped in four garbage bags.

www.fox43.com

Some interesting information from that article:

According to reports, the victim likely suffered from an autoimmune disorder such as rheumatoid arthritis or ankylosing spondylitis.

A forensic analysis revealed where the victim may have been from. A chemical isotope analysis determined that the victim had carbon isotopes relatively heavier than a typical American corn-based diet. The specific isotopes indicate a diet possibly involving wheat or rice-based products, more common in European or Asian cultures.

The victim could have possibly lived in coastal California in the last several years of their life.

Overall, the combination of strontium, oxygen and carbon isotopes suggests possible places of residence for the victim ranging from Pennsylvania to Kentucky or Tennessee or the coastal area of California.

I don't put too much weight on the isotopes (goodness knows they can be off by thousands of miles) but the autoimmune disorder is interesting. RA is systemic and occurs across the body, but ankylosing spondylitis only affects the spine. Maybe he had a bad back?

This article is a little more specific on the isotopes (bolding mine):

"They believe that we should be looking maybe in the area south of Pennsylvania, in the states of Tennessee, Kentucky but also isotope readings were consistent with people who might be living in coastal California. They also believed the victim was subsiding on a rice-based diet more than a corn-based diet."

However, it was written a few years ago, so maybe the science has changed since then. A wheat-based diet is far more likely, in my (complete non-professional) opinion. We just don't have a whole lot of rice-based food in America. Personally, the only reason I could see an American having a rice-based diet would be gluten allergies--which would require a big assumption in this case. There's no evidence this John Doe had any allergies at all.

Here's his Snapshot prediction. Primarily Mediterranean European (Italian/Greek) and German or British, with a small amount of West African ancestry.

 

[Goecke]

Is the 'typical American diet' really more corn-based than wheat-based? I can think of far more wheat-based products that I eat regularly than corn-based ones. I don't think it would be unusual at all for someone born and raised in the US to be eating wheat as their 'primary' grain.

 

[Melt71]

Is the 'typical American diet' really more corn-based than wheat-based? I can think of far more wheat-based products that I eat regularly than corn-based ones. I don't think it would be unusual at all for someone born and raised in the US to be eating wheat as their 'primary' grain.

I read (or maybe saw a program - I forget) that shows there is far more corn in the US diet than most people expected. It's in almost every processed food. But that amy

Just another another thought - I'm white of anglo descent but my spouse is Asian and does much of the cooking. We eat much more rice than we do other base carbs. Even without marrying hubby I think I would have still eaten that way, courtesy of many years as an expatriate living/working in different Asian locales.

 

[dub]

PA - PA - Bruce John Kobeski, 54, Jefferson Township, 26 October 2011

I know this guy’s chest scar is different enough from what they’re indicating that it’s probably not him, but the time and location make me curious enough to put it out there.

Bruce disappeared from the next county over, two months before the UID was found.

 

[CCJD]

Updated NamUs link: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Caring1]

 

[subaw0067]

I just spoke to my dad who is a vascular and trauma surgeon (does a lot of thoracic operations) and he said the method for closing the sternum with this Doe is most commonly used in heart bypass or valve repair. This Doe is not likely to be younger than 45-50.

 

[subaw0067]

Harold Shroetter fits, kind of. He went missing from Minnesota in 2009 and his ex girlfriend is presumed to have killed him, as his blood was found in the trunk of her car. It’s definitely possible that someone drove his remains as far away as PA. However this doesn’t line up with the PMI. He was 56 years old and had previously undergone bypass surgery.

 

[Blacksheep13]

It’s pretty odd to me that a one off murderer would want to have the remains found. I’d assume most people would want to have them hidden and never found as best as possible, although I’m sure their skill at hiding said remains would vary greatly.

So is this the work of a serial killer? Would this also possibly be gang/organized crime related to send a message? Just some theories and MHO only to generate conversation.