PA PA - Philadelphia, 30th St Station, AsianMale 20-30, UP7438, gun stolen from WI, note, scars, Apr'94

  • #121
I held this note in my hand. Very surreal. I did some legwork on it but couldn't really get much going. Reached out to older Amtrak folks, the former medical examiner. Didn't go anywhere. The note was written in very neat English print. Very strange.
Do you know why they haven't released an image of the note?
"Very neat English print" doesn't say much.
Do you remember enough of what it looked like that you could try and reproduce it and post it? (Obv with some big fat watermark saying it's not the original)
 
  • #122
In an article published April 14, 1994, several Philadelphia men are named as having been arrested for robbery and extortion (stealing and selling passports back). In a 1995 article about two of the men, it describes them as members of Flying Dragons and states some of their victims were so afraid to testify they went to China.
 
  • #123
His Namus details state he was circumcised.

As far as I'm aware East Asians don't have their male children circumcised.
It's only really muslims and Americans that do this practice.
It's not something that's done in the UK or Europe either.

If he were Vietnamese/Cambodian/Chinese etc. I think he would be uncircumcised.

However, the fact he was, means there is a chance he was born in the USA.
 
  • #124
His Namus details state he was circumcised.

As far as I'm aware East Asians don't have their male children circumcised.
It's only really muslims and Americans that do this practice.
It's not something that's done in the UK or Europe either.

If he were Vietnamese/Cambodian/Chinese etc. I think he would be uncircumcised.

However, the fact he was, means there is a chance he was born in the USA.
South Korea has similar circumcision rates to the USA.
 
  • #125
His Namus details state he was circumcised.

As far as I'm aware East Asians don't have their male children circumcised.
It's only really muslims and Americans that do this practice.
It's not something that's done in the UK or Europe either.

If he were Vietnamese/Cambodian/Chinese etc. I think he would be uncircumcised.

However, the fact he was, means there is a chance he was born in the USA.
Lots of Muslims in south east Asia - Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.

Also, sometimes circumcisions happen for medical reasons.
 
  • #126
His Namus details state he was circumcised.

As far as I'm aware East Asians don't have their male children circumcised.
It's only really muslims and Americans that do this practice.

There has always been a large Cham community in Cambodia and Vietnam who are of the muslim faith. They were very much targeted in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge in the 1970s and it's estimated as many as half a million (one third of their population) was killed. Many fled and eventually migrated to the west.
 
  • #127
South Korea has similar circumcision rates to the USA.
Yup. This combined with the fact that adoptions from South Korea were at their peak during the 70s and 80s makes me wonder if he was an adoptee, especially considering he was most likely born between the late 60s and early 70s.
 
  • #128
I also think this male was either a Born To Kill gang member. Although The Tiny Rascal Gang was the biggest asian gang at one point.

Asian Drug Gangs Not New To Philly - The Inquirer
Among the largest Asian gangs in the city have been the Tiny Rascal Gang, D-Block and the Red Scorpions. The Tiny Rascal Gang was named as the biggest in the nation in a Daily News article in 2005. Many of its members are Cambodian, Laotian and Vietnamese.

Wikipedia - Born to Kill Gang
- Most of the gang's members were Vietnamese youths who were sent out of their country a few years after the Saigon government had collapsed, in which afterwards they then spent months or years in refugee camps before being put into foster families. These youths then left their foster families and banded together, forming the nucleus of what would become the Born to Kill gang

- Once active in other cities and states outside of NY, the gang did not always maintain the same activities as they did in New York. In Sacramento, California for example, Born to Kill was active in less-visible areas such as computer-chip theft,
as well as the sale of guns to young Vietnamese.

- Born to Kill members were also well known to have fashioned themselves after gangster movies, donning dark sunglasses and black suites along with spiked hair. (This would explain the gloves)

-During the late eighties, as the Born to Kill gang began to attract publicity and notoriety in Manhattan's Chinatown due to their criminal audacity, many smaller groups of organized Vietnamese criminals began to adopt the gang's name. This made Born to Kill a confederation of gangs, which allowed it to expand its criminal operations, exploits and territory into other cities, states, and countries such as Canada.

The illegal sale of the stolen gun, and the gloves, and everything else all leads me to believe this male was a BTK gang member.



I also found this very long super but incredibly interesting pdf from the United States Department of Justice.

ASIAN ORGANIZED CRIME

The Hearing Before The Permanent Subcommittee On Investigations Of The Committee on Governmental Affairs
October 3rd, November 5-6th, 1991.


These testimonies seem the most interesting:
- Kenneth Chu, aka 'Johnny Wong", Former Member, Ghost Shadows Gang and On Leong Tong
- Odum Lim, Born-to-Kill Gang Robbery and Assault Victim
- "Mr. Wong", Extortion Victim
- "Mr. Chan", Extortion Victim
- Sgt. Douglas Zwemke, San Jose Police Department, San Jose, CA
- William S. Sessions, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation; accompanied by James E. Moody, Section Chief, Organized Crime, FBI

This testimony from a former Ghost Shadows Gang Member is super telling. Kenneth Chu initially turned down the gang's offers to join multiple times, but they harassed and abused him until it was easier to join than get abused. He then started working with Law Enforcement.

Kenneth Chu, aka 'Johnny Wong", Former Member, Ghost Shadows Gang
"After I wounded the Black Eagle, my Ghost Shadow associate Phil Han called someone at the On Leong Tong. On Leong officials arranged for me to take a bus to Boston and to report to the Boston On Leong. The idea' was that I was to stay out of sight of the police in New York.

This next part is about the gang Born To Kill and Philadelphia. I wonder what prompted Senator Roth to inquire as to this specific gang and whether it had any activities in Philadelphia.

Senator ROTH: The map indicates that there is an On Leong Tong in Philadelphia. Can you tell the Subcommittee about that operation?

Mr. CHU: I know that there have been illegal gambling operations in Philadelphia. I don't know if there are any at present.

Mr CHU: During the period. after I was suspended in Houston, the person who replaced me was sent down from Philadelphia, and people he had working with him, gang members, came from Philadelphia.

Senator ROTH: And what about the unaffiliated gangs, such as the Born to Kill: what can you tell the Subcommittee about them?

Mr. CHU: There is not much I can tell about the Born to Kill. I know they are mainly of Vietnamese membership, Chinese born in Vietnam. They are independent right now; they don't exactly have a tong that backs them up. They are a very violent street gang.

Senator ROTH: They are very violent?

Mr. CHU: Very violent.
 
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  • #129
I noticed that John Doe's DoeNetwork profile states: He may have come from Canada. I am curious as to what made them think that?

Mr CHU: There is not much I can tell about the Born to Kill. I know they are mainly of Vietnamese membership, Chinese born in Vietnam. They are independent right now; they don't exactly have a tong that backs them up. They are a very violent street gang.


Could he be Tan Tieu Hong?
recon by @CarlK90245

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On January 31 1994, Tan Tieu Hong had an altercation with a waiter at a Toronto restaurant, at which time Hong threatened to kill the waiter. Hong left the restaurant but returned later that night armed with a handgun. Hong shot his victim, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. Tan Tieu Hong is wanted on a Canada-Wide Warrant for Attempted Murder.

"John Doe has snakelike elevated scars on forehead, face, and neck." Do they mean hypertronic scars like these? I definitely see something similar on Hong's forehead.

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  • #130
bumping
 
  • #131
I noticed that John Doe's DoeNetwork profile states: He may have come from Canada. I am curious as to what made them think that?




Could he be Tan Tieu Hong?
recon by @CarlK90245

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On January 31 1994, Tan Tieu Hong had an altercation with a waiter at a Toronto restaurant, at which time Hong threatened to kill the waiter. Hong left the restaurant but returned later that night armed with a handgun. Hong shot his victim, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. Tan Tieu Hong is wanted on a Canada-Wide Warrant for Attempted Murder.

"John Doe has snakelike elevated scars on forehead, face, and neck." Do they mean hypertronic scars like these? I definitely see something similar on Hong's forehead.

scar_treatment_result_before_d072a1e014.jpg
Looks like this Doe wasn't Tan Hong because Tan Tieu Hong has been taken off the RCMP website.
 
  • #132
I am new to all of this and I want to help. He looks south east Asian and based on this Philadelphia's Immigrants: Origins and Destinations. He's most likely Cambodian or Vietnamese or have Khmer and Vietnamese blood in him. Sorry for any mistakes, English is my second language.

Update: my bad, I forgot to read the entire thread first, dude's probably Filipino, they get circumcised as a sort of coming to age ritual. And based on the mention of dragon, Aurora 90's suggestion and a simple Wikipedia search, he also might be a member of btk but not the relocated one in new Orleans.
Source: Born to Kill (gang) - Wikipedia
Here's my reconstruction of this John Doe:

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