Patsy's and John's Bed

[rashomon]

To me, the bed looks neither made nor totally unmade, but like something in between. I'd like to see more close-up pictures from this room, taken from more than one angle.

[Eagle]I'm going to frankly blurt out that to me their bedroom looks awfully junky, for such an expensive house, plain tacky, and that to me the bed isn't made.

They could have had a clean- looking new house built for the same amount with the number of bedrooms they wanted in the original plan, which would not look so awkwardly added, and with the children on the same or an upper floor.

That bedroom looks terrible indeed. Tacky and cluttered, and if it was Patsy who decorated it, she should have left the job to an interior designer instead.
The room is ugly and furnished without any sense of proportion. Those white colunms on the left for example are simply awful.
Just about everything in that room insults the eye, and I get a suffocating feeling alone from looking at the picture. On seeing that ugly bedroom, it is hard to believe that theirs was a showcase home people could visit during the annual Christmas tour of houses.

I'd be interested in other posters' opinion on the following issue:
the Rasmeys shared a common bedroom, and this fact imo makes a theory totally unrealistic which assumes that one one of the Ramseys could have carried all this through (thinking about what to do, staging the scene, writing the ransom note) without the spouse becoming aware of what was going on.
Suppose Patsy did this all alone, she then would have been gone from their bedroom for a very long time, probably for hours.
Now most people wake up at least once during the night, go to the bathroom, etc. What would e. g. John have done if he woke up, found Patsy's side of the bed empty and she didn't return? Wouldn't he have gone up looking for her?
The same applies vice versa. I suppose Patsy would have looked for John too if he didn't return to bed.

 

[UKGuy]

To me, the bed looks neither made nor totally unmade, but like something in between. I'd like to see more close-up pictures from this room, taken from more than one angle.



That bedroom looks terrible indeed. Tacky and cluttered, and if it was Patsy who decorated it, she should have left the job to an interior designer instead.
The room is ugly and furnished without any sense of proportion. Those white colunms on the left for example are simply awful.
Just about everything in that room insults the eye, and I get a suffocating feeling alone from looking at the picture. On seeing that ugly bedroom, it is hard to believe that theirs was a showcase home people could visit during the annual Christmas tour of houses.

I'd be interested in other posters' opinion on the following issue:
the Rasmeys shared a common bedroom, and this fact imo makes a theory totally unrealistic which assumes that one one of the Ramseys could have carried all this through (thinking about what to do, staging the scene, writing the ransom note) without the spouse becoming aware of what was going on.
Suppose Patsy did this all alone, she then would have been gone from their bedroom for a very long time, probably for hours.
Now most people wake up at least once during the night, go to the bathroom, etc. What would e. g. John have done if he woke up, found Patsy's side of the bed empty and she didn't return? Wouldn't he have gone up looking for her?
The same applies vice versa. I suppose Patsy would have looked for John too if he didn't return to bed.

rashomon,

Its possible that John and Patsy did not share the same bed that night. Patsy may have stayed up to deal with the vacation flight luggage, and other stuff, but intended on retiring to the spare bedroom?


Why should a shared bed appear unslept in, unless it has been made up again after some event?

The unanswered question is, given John was in his bed, did anyone else share it with him, e.g. JonBenet?



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[Chrishope]

To me, the bed looks neither made nor totally unmade, but like something in between. I'd like to see more close-up pictures from this room, taken from more than one angle.



That bedroom looks terrible indeed. Tacky and cluttered, and if it was Patsy who decorated it, she should have left the job to an interior designer instead.
The room is ugly and furnished without any sense of proportion. Those white colunms on the left for example are simply awful.
Just about everything in that room insults the eye, and I get a suffocating feeling alone from looking at the picture. On seeing that ugly bedroom, it is hard to believe that theirs was a showcase home people could visit during the annual Christmas tour of houses.

I'd be interested in other posters' opinion on the following issue:
the Rasmeys shared a common bedroom, and this fact imo makes a theory totally unrealistic which assumes that one one of the Ramseys could have carried all this through (thinking about what to do, staging the scene, writing the ransom note) without the spouse becoming aware of what was going on.
Suppose Patsy did this all alone, she then would have been gone from their bedroom for a very long time, probably for hours.
Now most people wake up at least once during the night, go to the bathroom, etc. What would e. g. John have done if he woke up, found Patsy's side of the bed empty and she didn't return? Wouldn't he have gone up looking for her?
The same applies vice versa. I suppose Patsy would have looked for John too if he didn't return to bed.

All we can do is go on our personal experience, and unfortunately, that experience isn't uniform.

My wife often gets up at odd hours. I'm usually unaware that she is up, though occassionally I wake up and see she isn't in bed. It doesn't work the other way around. If I get up my wife knows it.

Last week there was a shooting in the vacant lot accross from our house. There were lots of cop cars and commotion. I slept right through it. The dog didn't bark, that I know of, probably because my wife was up and the dog didn't see the need to raise an alert.

OTOH, if the furnace starts making a slightly unusual noise in the middle of the night I'll sit bolt upright, throw the covers aside and proceede to the basement to see what the problem is.

Alcahol could be another factor. JR could have drank at the party, and PR didn't, or vice versa.

I don't think there is much we can say about this that doesn't involve baseless speculation. Is it possible for one spouse to sleep soundly while the other murders the child? Sure. Did it happen that way? We don't know.

As you've already pointed out, there is always the risk of the other partner waking up, no matter how soundly they might usually sleep. But maybe it was a customary occurance, as it is with my wife. I don't usually get up to look for her - what's the point? She's downstairs.

 

[Eagle1]

rashomon,

Its possible that John and Patsy did not share the same bed that night. Patsy may have stayed up to deal with the vacation flight luggage, and other stuff, but intended on retiring to the spare bedroom?...........

The unanswered question is, given John was in his bed, did anyone else share it with him, e.g. JonBenet?

Wouldn't the bed be a lot more messy if two of any people had been in it? It seems to me only one end of one pillow looks slept on, the rest of the bed either undisturbed, or made up when Patsy put on her makeup and he was maybe still in bed. There's no telling what time she put on that makeup.

 

[Ames]

I do not think the bed was slept in. It appears, for the most part, to be made.

I believe the parents stayed up all night (Patsy wearing the same clothes as from the night before, hello!) staging the crime scene and going over all the angles to escape detection. It's pretty obvious.

I totally agree with you!!!

 

[Eagle1]

January 1, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Kortnie

"I do not think the bed was slept in. It appears, for the most part, to be made.

I believe the parents stayed up all night (Patsy wearing the same clothes as from the night before, hello!) staging the crime scene and going over all the angles to escape detection. It's pretty obvious. "

At the CTV JBR forum, there's a thread about all the scarves, some I'd never heard of, but which reminds me, an ancient (?) cult called The Thugee used scarves (yellow) as their trademark. (They were a branch of the Kali cult?) And I'm not saying I necessarily believe this, but could it be the R's and some of their pals were experimenting with their very own new cult, borrowing some ideas from older ones? The other thread mentions that the R-related scarves were mostly red and black. (Fibers?) If they were used in some kind of ceremony, just maybe the celtic harp was too? Just some thoughts, not claiming they're facts. Did ST or anyone note any fresh tire tracks in the early morning snow to prove that the friends who were supposedly called to come over had just come that morning? I've always thought, possibly they all were wearing the previous night's clothes, not just Patsy. And maybe John had gone to bed for a while (?) because one pillow looks used, in the picture of the bed.

 

[Nehemiah]

http://www.chieftain.com:80/editorial/1167204137/3

...There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in....

Apparently some of the investigators did not believe her side of the bed to have been slept in. Perhaps they saw things at the crime scene that we cannot see in the photos.

 

[BBB167893]

Likely they did.