GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

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I'm curious what type of killer he will be termed. A spree killer? Can't be serial because there's a resting time between serial murders, not a great number at once. Maybe an opportunistic killer?
By definition, he's a mass murderer.

He killed 3 or more in a single incident in a single location, which is the definition of mass murder.

Having said that, he had all the hallmarks of someone who was shaping up to become a serial killer.

He just never got the chance to develop into one.

Thankfully.
 
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How many instances are there of doctors and specialists missing an illness in a patient?

People, even those who are the best in their fields aren't mind readers or soothsayers. Unfortunately, one can have all of the knowledge, experience and education but still mistakes can and do happen 😞

Do we even know what the actual extent of creep face and KR's educational relationship was? Like I remember reading bits but cannot recall properly. Were the lectures in person or over zoom? Were they all 121 or group settings? I gather she will have looked over work of his maybe, but to what extent? I'm asking as I'm thinking if Katherine was his professor and he was one in a class of a dozen that she gave lectures to a couple years prior to the night of the crime, would she have remembered his name IF he hasn't have done this and ended up in the media y'know? Maybe enough to say oh yah I remember he was in my class, I dunno. She was one of a bunch of lecturers on that course so wasn't his primary professor (like his tutor) right?
If it's what I think is likely and he was just one in a class of many classes she taught and she spent a very small amount of time conversing 121 with him, if at all, then even with a 6th sense - how could she see what he was hiding deep under his people suit?

I dunno, I'm half asleeps and babbling
Here's my thing:

Even IF KR had noted that BK was weird, even if she thought to herself "This guy seems like a psycho!" What could she have ever done about it?

IME, I've been around bad people who ended up doing bad things. My gut could sense it. I WAS in fact, in danger. Yet there wasn't much that could be done about it. Nothing could prevent it.

Unfortunately preventing crimes and spotting red flags is tricky. There isn't any kind of system in place to stop this kind of tragedy from happening.

JMHO.
 
  • #883
Quote from the post above:

"Bryan Kohberger’s former professor wonders if serial killer classes inspired him."

I don't think so.

IMO
He was drawn to these particular studies because of his intense interest/obsession of the subject matter.

"Drawn as a bee to honey"
as we say in my country.

The murders were IMO
the apogeum/culmination his twisted mind led to through his life.

JMO
Don't remember where I saw it but didn't he have some twisted attitude about women and what he wanted to do with them? JMOO
 
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Don't remember where I saw it but didn't he have some twisted attitude about women and what he wanted to do with them? JMOO

I think we read the same comment recalled by a classmate -- BK complained to him that women had no place in the classroom, and belonged in the kitchen and the bedroom!

ETA: from NYPost linked below:

He told Roberts in a conversation that went on for hours that women belonged in the kitchen and bedroom. Not the classroom. And, he told Roberts, they were easy. He could walk into any social gathering and have any of them he wanted sexually.

Roberts told me he just wanted this conversation to stop.
 
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Just wanna say... how relieving and, quite frankly brilliant is it that the word GUILTY is now showing on this case after almost 3 years

Rot, Kohberger. ROT.
 
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I think we read the same comment recalled by a classmate -- BK complained to him that women had no place in the classroom, and belonged in the kitchen and the bedroom!
And he allowed that virus to take over his mind.
 
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Here's my thing:

Even IF KR had noted that BK was weird, even if she thought to herself "This guy seems like a psycho!" What could she have ever done about it?

IME, I've been around bad people who ended up doing bad things. My gut could sense it. I WAS in fact, in danger. Yet there wasn't much that could be done about it. Nothing could prevent it.

Unfortunately preventing crimes and spotting red flags is tricky. There isn't any kind of system in place to stop this kind of tragedy from happening.

JMHO.
I would encourage everyone, most especially all the female everyones, to read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.

It talks about the importance of listening to those warning bells going off inside your head rather than ignoring them.

It reminds me of another case a lot of us here are following, the Morphew case.
Suzanne herself said she didn't feel safe alone with Barry.
Moral of the story: If you ever hear yourself saying you don't feel safe around (person X), you need to listen to yourself. Get away from them. Immediately.

KR strikes me as being someone with extensive head knowledge but not-so-hot assessment skills.
A lot of academics have the knowledge to be experts in a specific field of study, but they lack the requisite skills and abilities to actually perform well in the field vs. in the classroom.

Based on her comments about BK, I'm dubious about KR's ability to accurately read a room.

She's no Ann Rule.

JMO.
 
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How many instances are there of doctors and specialists missing an illness in a patient?

People, even those who are the best in their fields aren't mind readers or soothsayers. Unfortunately, one can have all of the knowledge, experience and education but still mistakes can and do happen 😞

Do we even know what the actual extent of creep face and KR's educational relationship was? Like I remember reading bits but cannot recall properly. Were the lectures in person or over zoom? Were they all 121 or group settings? I gather she will have looked over work of his maybe, but to what extent? I'm asking as I'm thinking if Katherine was his professor and he was one in a class of a dozen that she gave lectures to a couple years prior to the night of the crime, would she have remembered his name IF he hasn't have done this and ended up in the media y'know? Maybe enough to say oh yah I remember he was in my class, I dunno. She was one of a bunch of lecturers on that course so wasn't his primary professor (like his tutor) right?
If it's what I think is likely and he was just one in a class of many classes she taught and she spent a very small amount of time conversing 121 with him, if at all, then even with a 6th sense - how could she see what he was hiding deep under his people suit?

I dunno, I'm half asleeps and babbling
I looked this up. He was a student in 4 of her Criminology courses. She was also his advisor. Here is what I found on Huffington Post, which at least considered the undergrad/grad study issue:
Ramsland said she met Kohberger, now 30, in 2018, when he transferred to DeSales University as an undergraduate student who was majoring in psychology with a focus on forensics, which made Ramsland his adviser. She said that Kohberger took several of her classes as an undergrad and graduate student, some of which focused specifically on antisocial behavior, psychology sleuthing and analyzing the minds of serial killer.
Michelle Bolger taught him in an online class and was his master's thesis advisor. She's the one who recommended him for graduate study.
Ramsland talks about BK "in the classroom," which leads me to think that he was not just an online or Zoom students. Newsweek states he was in 4 of her classes:
She said she taught him in four classes, including an introduction to forensic psychology and one on death investigation. She also taught him in a class on behavioral criminology and another called "Dangerous Minds: The Psychology of Anti-Social Behavior." Serial killer expert reveals how Bryan Kohberger "completely" fooled her
Neither article is behind a paywall.
 
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I would encourage everyone, most especially all the female everyones, to read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.

It talks about the importance of listening to those warning bells going off inside your head rather than ignoring them.

It reminds me of another case a lot of us here are following, the Morphew case.
Suzanne herself said she didn't feel safe alone with Barry.
Moral of the story: If you ever hear yourself saying you don't feel safe around (person X), you need to listen to yourself. Get away from them. Immediately.

KR strikes me as being someone with extensive head knowledge but not-so-hot assessment skills.
A lot of academics have the knowledge to be experts in a specific field of study, but they lack the requisite skills and abilities to actually perform well on the job.

Based on her comments about BK, I'm dubious about KR's ability to accurately read a room.

She's no Ann Rule.

JMO.

Bingo!

Theoretical knowledge vs Practical knowledge.

JMO!!!
 
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Any of you that are as old as dirt, like me, will probably remember this guy, Wooly Willy. BK's new courtroom pic looks like an evil Willy, before we use the pen to move all of the magnetic shavings up to give him the classic Brybrows.

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AT evidently didn’t know about Wooly Willy, else she might’ve provided him as an alternate suspect a few weeks back. Wonder if he’s a distant relative of Wooly Berger? 🤔
 
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I would encourage everyone, most especially all the female everyones, to read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.

It talks about the importance of listening to those warning bells going off inside your head rather than ignoring them.

It reminds me of another case a lot of us here are following, the Morphew case.
Suzanne herself said she didn't feel safe alone with Barry.
Moral of the story: If you ever hear yourself saying you don't feel safe around (person X), you need to listen to yourself. Get away from them. Immediately.

KR strikes me as being someone with extensive head knowledge but not-so-hot assessment skills.
A lot of academics have the knowledge to be experts in a specific field of study, but they lack the requisite skills and abilities to actually perform well in the field vs. in the classroom.

Based on her comments about BK, I'm dubious about KR's ability to accurately read a room.

She's no Ann Rule.

JMO.

The Morphew case appears much different than what was going on with BK. SM may have feared BM toward the end but I doubt she felt that way for their entire 25 year marriage. As for BK, it appears a lot of posters on here, myself included, found him to be creepy right away. JMOO
 
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I would encourage everyone, most especially all the female everyones, to read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.

It talks about the importance of listening to those warning bells going off inside your head rather than ignoring them.

It reminds me of another case a lot of us here are following, the Morphew case.
Suzanne herself said she didn't feel safe alone with Barry.
Moral of the story: If you ever hear yourself saying you don't feel safe around (person X), you need to listen to yourself. Get away from them. Immediately.

KR strikes me as being someone with extensive head knowledge but not-so-hot assessment skills.
A lot of academics have the knowledge to be experts in a specific field of study, but they lack the requisite skills and abilities to actually perform well in the field vs. in the classroom.

Based on her comments about BK, I'm dubious about KR's ability to accurately read a room.

She's no Ann Rule.

JMO.
this .

Some here are here because they have the gift of fear. Appreciate you all!
 
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I would encourage everyone, most especially all the female everyones, to read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.

It talks about the importance of listening to those warning bells going off inside your head rather than ignoring them.

It reminds me of another case a lot of us here are following, the Morphew case.
Suzanne herself said she didn't feel safe alone with Barry.
Moral of the story: If you ever hear yourself saying you don't feel safe around (person X), you need to listen to yourself. Get away from them. Immediately.

KR strikes me as being someone with extensive head knowledge but not-so-hot assessment skills.
A lot of academics have the knowledge to be experts in a specific field of study, but they lack the requisite skills and abilities to actually perform well in the field vs. in the classroom.

Based on her comments about BK, I'm dubious about KR's ability to accurately read a room.

She's no Ann Rule.

JMO.
This book should be required reading, especially for women and young people who are typical targets for predators. He goes over the key signs that someone isn't safe for you: a stranger who won't respect you saying "no," "forced teaming," charm, making promises to get your guard down (I promise I won't stay...). I've read this and the follow-up book for parents and they've made me much more assertive in the public space.

I'm struck by how many victims here who are killed by people in their lives knew they were in danger.
 
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She said in her NewsNation interview that she was his academic advisor when he joined the forensics track at DeSales (in the fall of 2018). She taught him four courses:

Undergraduate:
  1. Introduction to Forensic Pasychology
  2. Psychological Sleuthing (a death investigations class)
  3. Dangerous Minds (the psychology of antisocial behavior)
Graduate: Behavioral Criminology

Please see my recent posts about Ramsland for more details.
RBBM

Likely got an A+ in course #3, without having to devote much time to actual studying - personal experience was plenty. 🤭

MOO
 
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