GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Sundog]

I think that's a good possibility, having everything buttoned up tight.

Things could change between his pleas and his sentencing. Perhaps a lot. The judge has lattitude and leverage with the sentencing, and what if some of the reasons for his decisions are based on evidence under the gag order/NDO, and were not included in the charges read out and BT's overview?

Also, what if the victims' parents, who all appear to have different perspectives on the pleas, and the Life In Prison (LIP, saying it this way since I'm not sure about no parole being a given) versus the DP, implore the judge to hand out a different type of sentence for their own child versus the others?

IANAL, and don't even know if that's something that could come up, but if one set of parents feels the options for sentencing since the guilty plea aren't "enough" (e.g., they are still set on the DP, and 4 fixed life sentences [& 10 years for burglary] all served consecutively are "inadequate" or "unacceptable") could they ask the judge to consider a more severe sentence for their child? Like isolation in maximum security, no gen pop, bare minimum privileges, no visitors and/or communications with the outside world, that kind of thing?

Don't even know if that's a thing, I know convicts in ID have their rights by law, but could an exception be made in this case due to the heinousness of a quadruple murder of young people in their beds/home and/or to appease any of the victims' parents?

Also, not to go too far down the rabbit hole on the sentencing options (though I guess I am) but I've wondered about them in terms of any federal aspects that could be overarching coming into play?

JMO

My understanding is that victim impact statements are not to include any statements regarding sentencing. I assume if a family member goes ahead and does so anyway, then the judge will not take it into consideration, per Idaho law, if that is actually the case.

 

[browneyes]

Looks like the Peacock documentary on this case is drawing
a huge audience. Has anyone seen it?
Those thinking of writing a book are probably
on the phone with their publishers right now. A Documentary About A Chilling College Murder Case Is The Top Show On Peacock

I didn’t really like the Peacock documentary. I think I’m over saturated with info.

 

[Warwick7]

My understanding is that victim impact statements are not to include any statements regarding sentencing. I assume if a family member goes ahead and does so anyway, then the judge will not take it into consideration, per Idaho law, if that is actually the case.

Aren't they to give a copy of these to the Judge a head of the 23rd? I think so.

 

[Dotta]

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I think this says it all, as far as what BK's motivations would be to work with Ramsland.

If this lady thinks
this criminal will "open his heart & soul" for her and the hypothetical book
then
she's in for an unpleasant surprise IMO.

Cat and mouse game
comes to my mind.

Honestly,
shaking my head hehehe

Remember Ted B and his tales???
(KB's hero by the way)

Oh dear...Too bad!

JMO!!!

 

[lonetraveler]

Native Americans use to turn Male criminals who committed crimes. against children and women. over to the women of the tribe. They would give out punishment and it could last for days until the criminal died. I think this would be appropriate for Kohberger. BTW, my mother is full blood Cherokee. Her mother was the shaman of the band of Cherokee and she can tell some real interesting stories. JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

My understanding is that victim impact statements are not to include any statements regarding sentencing. I assume if a family member goes ahead and does so anyway, then the judge will not take it into consideration, per Idaho law, if that is actually the case.

Court TV’s Vinnie Politan asked Goncalves attorney Shanon Gray what the parameters and rules are for the victim impact statements by Kaylee’s family during Kohberger’s sentencing hearing. Gray said it’s up to the judge, but he expects the judge to allow them to make any statement they want:

7:56 to 8:56

Gray’s statement seems to be supported by the Idaho Manual on the Rights of Victims of Crime:




However, as @Sundog says, there are restrictions regarding victim statements about sentencing in capital cases:


The death penalty is no longer on the table for Kohberger, so do the rules for capital cases still apply?

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942665102831784202

"Bryan Kohberger's signed confession
admitting to slaughtering four University of Idaho students in their home has been released -

but it still offers no clue about the mass murderer’s motive for the attack.

In the document
- a written factual basis to accompany the plea agreement -
the 30-year-old killer admits to all five charges against him,
including one count of burglary and four counts of first-degree murder.

The killer signed the document in pen on July 1,
with his scrawling handwriting reading:
'Bryan C. Kohberger'."

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942665102831784202

A gruesome question from me but I wonder why he didn't try to lessen his sentence or plead down by making excuses ?

For example, what if he'd said he never intended to kill anyone but was hoping to 'hot stalk' and maybe frighten MM at knife point and the whole plan went wrong when another young woman was in the room and was awake etc and he panicked?

JMO MOO

 

[DizzyB]

And it turns out he's a stupid driver who follows too closely and stops in crosswalks (which we do have in PA). Just another indicator that he's not as smart as he thinks he is. A person who has just committed 4 horrible, notorious murders should not make mistakes driving across country.

He also seems incapable of learning-if you are stopped because you’re driving too closely, would you do the same thing 10 minutes later? Or would his Dad caution him when he saw him tailgating again?

 

[Dotta]

A gruesome question from me but I wonder why he didn't try to lessen his sentence or plead down by making excuses ?

For example, what if he'd said he never intended to kill anyone but was hoping to 'hot stalk' and maybe frighten MM at knife point and the whole plan went wrong when another young woman was in the room and was awake etc and he panicked?

JMO MOO

That is why I think he will never talk.
This is his secret.
The secret of a twisted mind.
Trying to cajole him into "bosom to bosom" talk about motive is laughable IMO.

He confessed to avoid DP, (IMO)
but only saying YES x 5.
Nothing more.

It is just MY Opinion!!!

PS
It also might be that as long as his parents live, he will be silent.

 

[lonetraveler]

A gruesome question from me but I wonder why he didn't try to lessen his sentence or plead down by making excuses ?

For example, what if he'd said he never intended to kill anyone but was hoping to 'hot stalk' and maybe frighten MM at knife point and the whole plan went wrong when another young woman was in the room and was awake etc and he panicked?

JMO MOO

Personally I think he is enjoying his limelight right now. He really didn't have a life anyway but now, he will get a little respect in prison until he isn't.

 

[xjd11]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942665102831784202

"Bryan Kohberger's signed confession
admitting to slaughtering four University of Idaho students in their home has been released -

but it still offers no clue about the mass murderer’s motive for the attack.

In the document
- a written factual basis to accompany the plea agreement -
the 30-year-old killer admits to all five charges against him,
including one count of burglary and four counts of first-degree murder.

The killer signed the document in pen on July 1,
with his scrawling handwriting reading:
'Bryan C. Kohberger'."

I know it's the Daily Mail, but they repeatedly mention his "scrawling signature". are they trying to tie poor penmanship to criminal behavior? most people I know (am in the US) also have horrible handwriting.

 

[whiterhino]

If this lady thinks
this criminal will "open his heart & soul" for her and the hypothetical book
then
she's in for an unpleasant surprise IMO.

Cat and mouse game
comes to my mind.

Honestly,
shaking my head hehehe

Remember Ted B and his tales???
(KB's hero by the way)

Oh dear...Too bad!

JMO!!!

Not to take away from the severity of this specific crime however...

KR has written about all kinds of monsters. Ted Bundy was convicted of killing 30 people. BK is not on the same level as TB or BTK. FWIW don't get me wrong he's still subhuman but not as diabolical, thankfully! (jmho)

 

[Arkay]

Things that I don't expect to be released once the non dissemination order is lifted after sentencing, from what's happened in other cases:

--detailed autopsy reports/photos--general summaries of the reports might be allowed. Thinking of Richard Allen case where the girls' autopsies were sealed after sentencing.
--crime scene photos that show the victims in place

SBM

Oh, I hope not, hope not, hope not!

I am not on any social media and this way I’ve avoided at least 90% of the garbage out there.

Yet during Abby and Libby, I know that pictures of them in death were floating around the Internet, and I was in contortions making sure I didn’t happen upon them somehow. Which, thank God, I did not.

There are few things I’d want to see less than mutilated bodies of victims in situ.

Their privacy in death is important; it’s so disrespectful to the dead to be on display that way. The victims’ families should not have to endure the public gaping at their childrens’ slashed and bloody bodies.

And personally I would not be able to sleep.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

I know it's the Daily Mail, but they repeatedly mention his "scrawling signature". are they trying to tie poor penmanship to criminal behavior? most people I know (am in the US) also have horrible handwriting.

To be truthful
I also noticed this (IMO) peculiar writing earlier.
It seems childish/clumsy in style to me.
And I say this as a teacher

I even wondered what a graphologist would say about it.
You know,
research of the nature of the writer's personality.

There was a different signature shown in MSM earlier, with ornamental "C".
It really surprised me.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Not to take away from the severity of this specific crime however...

KR has written about all kinds of monsters. Ted Bundy was convicted of killing 30 people. BK is not on the same level as TB or BTK. FWIW don't get me wrong he's still subhuman but not as diabolical, thankfully! (jmho)

He was caught early thank Goodness!!!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Aren't they to give a copy of these to the Judge a head of the 23rd? I think so.

I think the written statements are part of the pre-sentencing package that the judge gets.

 

[SteveP]

I know it's the Daily Mail, but they repeatedly mention his "scrawling signature". are they trying to tie poor penmanship to criminal behavior? most people I know (am in the US) also have horrible handwriting.

His "scrawling signature" perhaps is meant to fall in line with his inability to tie shoelaces, and such bs, and it might raise a few eyebrows if he had stabbed the victims with a pen, but...not with a KaBar knife. It is a very forgiving weapon. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Not that it matters, but was that a real time pen and ink signature or dine by stylus?

The article above made it sound like he handwrote the entire confession when he only signed it, and he may have done that via screen.

Do we know?

Jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

My understanding is that victim impact statements are not to include any statements regarding sentencing. I assume if a family member goes ahead and does so anyway, then the judge will not take it into consideration, per Idaho law, if that is actually the case.

I have heard victim's many times "screaming" at the defendant that they hope he gets the maximum sentence. Or tell the judge they wish for a max sentence. I believe victims have 100% right to say this.

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