GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[SteveP]

So glad for such a water tight plea deal. To watch and hear BK take full responsibility and be accountable was incredibly relieving. To me it felt like the justice system performing as it should. I'm heartened by Maddie's mother's and step family's statement.

I wish the families and loved ones of dear Maddie , Kaylee, Xana and Ethan some measure of acceptance and peace as time moves on. RIP beautiful young innocents.

Read you all again at sentencing and beyond when discovery starts coming out.

Btw @snooptroop88! I haven't forgotten a short exchange we had earlier in the year on the subject of a plea. I've prepared a marinade for my hat, which I will attempt to eat in due course!

Send me your recipe. I need to eat my hat as well. In all of my years here, I cannot think of a more surprising twist to a case that coming back from dinner the other evening and seeing 'PLEA DEAL REACHED'' at the top of the thread.

 

[QB2022]

In this interview on News Nation, at around the 19:00 minute mark, SG says that he doesn't think that he, or members of his family, will make a victim's impact statement. He says it would be a waste of time. He may change his mind, of course, over the next few weeks, but given his current mental state I don't see him being able to do it. Perhaps another member of Kaylee's family will do so.

I would hope this is not something they come to regret if they opt not to.

What they need now is to be left alone, time to process and heal from the shock. No decisions need to be made now.

 

[Stratocaster]

Since the bombshell guilty plea, I'm reading conflicting disclosure about the sequence of the victims.

Can someone deep into the case verify how BK moved thru the house and victim #1 etc...

 

[Bodine]

The problem I have with the judge and prosecution accepting this deal as is is they were holding all the cards. They had about as close to a sure thing as you can get in a criminal trial and they chose expedience over holding BK's feet to the fire.

They could have forced BK to do a full allocution, as some family members wanted, and they had all the leverage to make it happen. They chose to end it as quickly and painlessly as possible for themselves. That's arrogance and an utter lack of compassion for the victim's families.

Juxtapose that against the Wichita Kansas Da's handling of Dennis Rader. They weren't going to let him get away unscathed. They made sure he had to expose himself, and all his demented fantasies, for all the world to see. BK should've been put in the same position and made to squirm. They let him off very easy.

 

[zachs mema]

I want what the families want. Two families that wanted the agreement, I'm glad they received it. To the other parents, I want prison justice for them. By the grace of God there go I.

I believe imo that the accused murderer (don't want to say his name) thinks he's finally going to get the recognition he feels he deserves. He wants books written about him, criminologists to profile him. Prison may be ok for him for awhile. He will get prison mail, some will profess their love for him. He's not bundy or Peterson. He does not have the psycho charm to keep anyone's interest for too long. If he thinks he can counsel criminals in prison with all his intelligence, forget it. He got caught. I can see the prisoners using him, trying to extort money for protection. He simply doesn't have any value, only to himself. As far as his counsel touching and smiling at him, I know it's her job. A job that brought her notoriety. I know, we all deserve counsel. I just couldn't do it.

I pray for peace for the family. For him, eternal hell. This is his claim to fame, he's pathetic.

 

[INfisherman]

@jepop,

Sorry you may end up consuming your hat. Was quite enjoyable discussing aspects of this case & sharing some laughs considering the dark & depressing subject matter.

@MassGuy,

Very glad you don’t have to eat your hat in the end.

@Megnut,

The Bry-isms should be collected in a singular post & pinned. Bye bye, brybrows.


Time for many to try to heal as best they can, Lord willing.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

I've prepared a marinade for my hat, which I will attempt to eat in due course!

Better to bake a delicious chocolate cake in the shape of a HAT

Mmmm.....So yummy
You can add strawberries too (for the red)

 

[INfisherman]

Since the bombshell guilty plea, I'm reading conflicting disclosure about the sequence of the victims.

Can someone deep into the case verify how BK moved thru the house and victim #1 etc...

MM, KG, XK, EC in order. He moved from top floor to 2nd, IIRC. I believe his initial entry was on 2nd floor. Please someone else correct me if I’m mistaken. Was asked & answered after the hearing yesterday.

ETA Entry & spelling correction.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

is there a dressmaker/designer here. I need someone to explain what is going on with his shirt - I know its not meant to be tailored (lol taylored even) but i presume it is too small - because of his chest or shoulders? I need an expert

I'm not a dressmaker or fashion expert but believe that he's wearing either a bullet proof / stab proof body armour under the shirt. Also that his tie would be a clip around and this is why it looks like it's pulled way too tight. In reality it's probably fixed with a plastic gripper on either side and this means if someone grabbed his tie and pulled it, it would pull off his neck and not drag him forwards. I think it's all been designed to look like he's *not* wearing a body suit and clip on but failed.

I was quite surprised at the swirly paisley pattern of the tie, it's kind of trippy like something from the 60s.

JMO MOO

 

[gremlin444]

Did Judge Hippler say that was the max, and he could sentence him to a lesser as it was at his discretion? I know I raised an eyebrow at something.

Hippler was just reading/explaining the legal guidelines that apply to the sentencing guidelines and to him as a judge as a procedural matter. I've noticed that Hippler is very much about explaining the legal precedents, procedures and rules (as written) in both his courtroom dealings and his lengthy written orders.

Given his prior rulings in this case, I would probably fall over dead from shock if out of the blue he gave him anything less than what boils down to LWOP (Idaho sentencing language doesn't use that phrase, but "fixed" means no parole until after the fixed time...and the fixed time laid out is 4 consecutive life sentences...which means no parole as the fixed time can never be completed).

 

[Stratocaster]

I've also read that XK was the first victim.....looking for clarifications

 

[QB2022]

MM, KG, XK, EC in order. He moved from top floor to 2nd, IIRC. I believe his initial entry was on 2nd floor. Please someone else correct me if I’m mistaken. Was asked & answered after the hearing yesterday.

ETA Entry & spelling correction.

Yes, he entered on the second floor through the kitchen sliding door

 

[Leilei]

I'm sure this is incorrect. The plea came with no parole and no appeals... Can anybody else weigh in as I'm currently on a train and signal is sketchier than heck

You are correct.
IMO.

 

[Megnut]

The Door Dash delivery has always perplexed me. I remember a picture on the counter with Xana's name on it, so it would seem she got it before the attacks. Was BK in the house already and ending with Maddie and Kaylie, and heading down the stairs when the DD delivery occurred and the driver saw him then? He was wearing black so black wouldn't be too obvious. This part has always been hard to understand. Just a tight timeline.

The DDD didn't see BK enter the house, as I understand it. She may have because we don't know what all she saw, but I think she did park next to him, as he was preparing to kill -- at 3:58 am. Her presence caused him to drive off, circling around to make sure she was gone before parking again.

In several weeks, the gag order will be lifted. Victims and witnesses can share their stories on their terms and only if they want to.

Families can share what they know if they want to.

There is great freedom in this plea agreement, nothing to preserve for future appeals. And whatever truths are shared, they are free of defense drama.

And BK was sentenced to death yesterday. He'll die in prison, guaranteed.

Yesterday should be the last day BK has any real power over anyone, especially those from whom he took the most.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

The jury would have decided death, life without parole or what he received which makes him parole eligible!! I can’t imagine agreeing to life without the option of parole on a plea!

Bringing over a post I made on the previous thread from yesterday :

Someone mentioned that nowhere in that hearing today was the word "parole" mentioned as in with or without the possibility of. I even copied the YT generated transcript and read it over and over and did a ctrl-F search for the word parole.

In the plea agreement it also does not state the word parole. But it does say this:

3. The Defendant will receive fixed consecutive life sentences for Counts II-V.

So, trying to find out what "fixed" means in terms of that whole phrase, and particularly in terms of Idaho's laws I found this:

https://www.urban.org/sites/default...ssing_the_impact_of_idahos_parole_reforms.pdf

Fixed term: The minimum prison sentence set by the court. Idaho law requires sentences with both a determinate (fixed) and indeterminate length. People become eligible for parole upon fulfilling the fixed portion of a sentence; the indeterminate portion can be served in prison or on parole supervision. For example, someone who receives a three-year fixed sentence and seven-year indeterminate sentence becomes eligible for parole after serving three years but could remain in prison up to 10 years if not granted parole.

Since it is literally impossible to fulfill/finish 4 consecutive life sentences, he can not gain parole. Period. That is why, IMHO, in Idaho legal language, "fixed" in terms of this plea agreement is the equivalent of saying "life without parole."

So all the news sources that reported it as LWOP were correct, they were just translating

 

[Dotta]

The DDD didn't see BK enter the house, as I understand it. She may have because we don't know what all she saw, but I think she did park next to him, as he was preparing to kill -- at 3:58 am. Her presence caused him to drive off, circling around to make sure she was gone before parking again.

In several weeks, the gag order will be lifted. Victims and witnesses can share their stories on their terms and only if they want to.

Families can share what they know if they want to.

There is great freedom in this plea agreement, nothing to preserve for future appeals. And whatever truths are shared, they are free of defense drama.

And BK was sentenced to death yesterday. He'll die in prison, guaranteed.

Yesterday should be the last day BK has any real power over anyone, especially those from whom he took the most.

JMO

This is an old article about the DD driver from DM
dated 18 June

(I'm not sure if it was sent here)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935115935385305393

 

[gremlin444]

Kohberger was absolutely disrespectful to the judge, the court, and the victims and their families as he answered single words ‘yes’ ‘no’. Not adding ‘your honor’ for example after any of his answers. He seemed defiant and unafraid. He has gotten everything he wanted. He ruined so many lives and families.

I have trial lawyer friends in who work in Chicago. Cook County judges are not known to be soft, for sure. They said it in this kind of situation, a hearing for establishing a change in plea to guilty, when a judge is asking the series of questions that Hippler did (to establish certainty that the defendant meets all the requirements for his plea change to be accepted and then to establish that he is actually guilty of what he is pleading to), the only thing the defendant can and should answer is yes or no--and that in a rapid fire series of questions like in this situation, judges do not want the defendant to tack on "Your honor" to every single answer.

 

[Megnut]

I could be wrong, but BK was accused of murdering four people, I very much doubt he was moving entirely freely. Guessing he was wearing a rack belt. A shock collar for the torso.

If not, I can't believe anyone would think it a good idea for him to be wholly unshackled in the courtroom. Maybe that's why AT had him in the sinking chair to hide such a thing. At the time, she was actively rebranding him as meek, feeble, harmless. See how safe I feel right next to him? As she slides farther away...

I guess all those other things that aren't the one thing but could be important weren't.

Know what matters?

GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY

JMO

 

[Stratocaster]

One would assume the murder scene would be extremely ugly and graphic, and locked in my mind is one picture of the exterior of the house with blood dripping down the siding.

What are some speculation on how BK left the crime scene leaving a minimal blood trail, seeming the kinfe thrusting would have blood spatter going every direction

 

[Odeto BJ]

I know Idaho has somewhat different definitions for sentencing/ terms of incarceration compared to most other states, but I'm frankly a little confused....Lots of posts above indicating 4 consecutive life terms for the murders, no possibility of parole: BUT

at 4:40 of this video: Judge Hipler references a minimum 10 years for each of counts 2, 3, 4 and 5:

I did not understand whether the potential for a 10 year prison term was at the Judge's discretion of not so I looked further and found:

Suspect pleads guilty in murders of University of Idaho students

The plea deal angered some of the victims' family members who thought Bryan Kohberger should be forced to reveal details of the murders — including his motive.

www.courthousenews.com

which also indicates a mandatory minimum of 10 years for each murder charge. (Para 3)

So: If the mandatory minimum stands on consecutive sentences and BK is a very good boy; and considering he has been incarcerated since Dec 30 2022: He could be liable for parole consideration in 2069 at the age of 74??

Do I have that right? Does the Mandatory Minimum only apply if Judge Hipler decides to effect it and the plea agreement already reads "Life without parole" times 4?