GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Vaderman]

Criminal mind profiling here....when BK goes back to the scene, confirmed with the mid-morning reported phone pings....in his twisted little mind, he's perturbed there has been no law enforcement action at the house, as of yet

JMO

I thought the opposite: The thumbs up selfie was taken shortly after he returned from his visit to the crime scene. I think he was quite pleased with himself that he hadn't been caught yet.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

death. the picture on the right. he looks like death.

The picture on the right with the hood over his head - he looks like the grim reaper! - but when / where is this picture from ? I've seen it a few times lately on this thread but don't recall it from earlier days. When did he take it and where has it originated from?

Also, as demonic as he *naturally* is, I think it's been elongated / stretched for effect as he isn't that long and thin IMO.

 

[meatandcookies]

I think that all these families have been preparing for a long slog trial and the DP, and now suddenly before it even starts, it is over. Rug pulled out from under them.... prepping to stay in hotels, have time off for the trial, etc, and now, no trial.

I believe that SG is just angry: angry that his daughter is gone; angry that the DP will not be imposed even in this case that seemed so appropriate for it. He may decide later that LWOP is a longer form of torture but I think he is back in a primitive thought process where he would just like to see BK dead- maybe dead 4x over.

I think he’s realizing that after sentencing, the media and cameras are slowly going to go away, and he won’t have this fight to fight anymore. Up until now, he’s had an outlet into which he’s been able to direct all of his emotions and blame and anger, and the plea deal put a hard stop date on that. He’s finally going to have to be alone with his grief.
MOO.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The picture on the right with the hood over his head - he looks like the grim reaper! - but when / where is this picture from ? I've seen it a few times lately on this thread but don't recall it from earlier days. When did he take it and where has it originated from?

Also, as demonic as he *naturally* is, I think it's been elongated / stretched for effect as he isn't that long and thin IMO.

It was shown in the May 9 Dateline episode.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think he’s realizing that after sentencing, the media and cameras are slowly going to go away, and he won’t have this fight to fight anymore. Up until now, he’s had an outlet into which he’s been able to direct all of his emotions and blame and anger, and the plea deal put a hard stop date on that. He’s finally going to have to be alone with his grief.
MOO.

I agree, when you're in court, it's such a hustle and bustle with your legal team frenetically back and forth, negotiating, keeping you supplied with copy information and asking you to sign and agree things. Can barely think straight or come up for air. How they do it, the legal professionals, they're like marathon runners, it's so intense and enduring. Then for a defendant, back and forth from jail, being instructed to go here, do this, stand there, wear this, sit down... on and on.

Now the case is over, it's just BK and a prison cell. No right to Appeal, no future debates and discussions.

Suppose he can receive incoming mail. Suppose he'll be bombarded with people want to interview him and speak over the phone or come do prison visits - are they allowed that? Also there's always the mental health experts and shrinks who use the prison population like guinea pigs. Letters from his 'fan club' - will he be allowed them? What stuff will he have in prison in terms of books, access to resources, studying, exercise, yard time, gym? Will he be able to work like some prisoners do actual production line jobs and such or take a role in the prison (cleaning or that sort of thing)?

 

[Dotta]

Will he be able to work like some prisoners do actual production line jobs and such or take a role in the prison (cleaning or that sort of thing)?

IMO
He will be in solitary confinement.
Absolutely not mixing with other inmates.
(For his own safety)

So...
Only a lonely 1 hour walk in the yard for him.

But it is ONLY My Opinion

 

[AngTxGal]

IMO:

It's probably for the best all around for the DP to be off the table for mostly everyone who has been irrevocably damaged and devasted by BK killing the 4 of them, for all the reasons cited recently here, and elsewhere in MSM, and more.

Though if Kaylee's family (or other victims' family members) truly want/wanted BK to be put to death ("an eye for an eye" is an ancient trope for a reason as well, IMO) because they have their own sentiments about it and their loss of their child so horrifically and unexpectedly is insurmountable for them without the DP, that is understandable to me, anyway.

It's too terrible, heartbreaking, no-right-words awful, 4 families losing their children in the prime of their innocent lives at the hands of a cold blooded killer who has shown no remorse. And all of them knifed to death in their beds or home, their safe space.

I truly have no idea if I would be ok with the brutal killer of my child avoiding the DP with a last minute guilty plea (IMO) no matter how or why or who else was involved.

MOO.

I’m with you regarding the DP for me personally, if it were my daughter or son brutally murdered without provocation. The sense of loss of dreams and promise, the inhumanity- Unimaginable
I have no issues with SG seeking the DP where this is an option… if SG’s Justice is all to consider.

For me there are other considerations
1- The DP is not swift or even sure justice- especially if the result of a trail.
2- BK is autistic. I would not support the DP over this plea deal- for person diagnosed as autistic. He would have a huge disadvantage in a jury trial trying to convey remorse.
3- Four young lives brutally taken, in addition to several young lives so traumatically impacted. How would a trial serve them?
I believe I would see the plea deal is a better option.

SG used the media to try to force his agenda on a system that must remain independent. I cannot see why he doesn’t realize his tactics are inappropriate and logically flawed. News nation is not helpful here- his grief is being exploited.
Outside influences making demands of our court system takes us back to mobs with torches and pitchforks. Think of the mobs in To Kill a Mockingbird. Not ok by me

All of that anger, frustration, and grief could be focused toward Social Change to help others.
1) We must do better job so our young men and women develop balanced healthy relationships. Too many young women are becoming victims of predatory men. It is sick
2) Murderers should not be able to seek infamy and relive their crimes through the press. It seems a no brainer- but the how is complicated.
3) Likely unpopular here, but BKs family could pursue. Therapy should be widely available to assist autistic children and teens as they navigate social life into adulthood.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I would think he left the sheath by accident ? In all the chaos ? I think this because he very soon after bought another K-bar knife and sheath directly after this crime, if I recall correctly ? He bought both knives from Amazon. I’m thinking he knows he lost that sheath, but in all the chaos and confusion, he does not know he left the sheath right by his first victim. Maybe in his misguided thoughts that he believes he is committing the perfect crime, he cannot possess a knife, without a sheath ? So he needs to buy a new knife, so he has the knife/sheath pair.

Now that I typed this out, does it even make sense ? Lol ? At first I thought there was some rationale that he would need to produce both a knife and a sheath in case he was questioned by police, ( he thought in his mind “educated” by his Criminology Class that he committed the perfect crime, and thought he could talk his way out of it ). However, if the police are even knocking on my door about a heinous murder I know I have committed, and i have a k-bar knife, with proof on my Amazon.com account I have purchased, not one, but two k-bar knives/sheaths, I know I lost the sheath somewhere ? I don’t think he knew where he lost it.
(I know I am too wordy, I try not to be ! I try to be more concise, it is a definite problem of mine.)

I followed this same line of thinking and wondered if you could purchase the sheath alone, or if you could purchase such knives from other places.

You can purchase a sheath alone on Amazon, and the K-Bar knife and sheath can be purchased from other places using cash or face to face without a credit card or online paper trail.

So- he made a mistake.

I think he shopped for a replacement knife and sheath- because he tossed the knife. I think he wanted a replacement because this weapon of choice had worked well for him and he had other plans for a second knife. To me BK has all the markings of a serial killer.
I watched the Dateline show- I was sickened by his interactions with a young woman who lived in his apartment complex. Not healthy at all

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

how could he not know that there were multiple people in the house if he had been "casing" the place beforehand, as is speculated?

I think he knew the size and number of rooms in the house, and the possibility that multiple people would be home. He thought the rooms were far enough apart and they would be asleep.
It is a big house- the floor plan can be seen online- and the windows do not have curtains, and you can drive/walk up around and beside the home to see even better.
He could easily see that many people lived in that house, it was known a a party house.
In thinking through it- Why leave a dog alive that can bark?

D saw him in the hallway and described him carrying a ‘container’. She did not see him holding a knife out in front of himself- what was he holding?

IMO

 

[Dotta]

"Kohberger, 30,
who on Tuesday pleaded guilty to killing four University of Idaho students in their Moscow home while they slept in November 2022,
has been held in maximum security at Ada County Jail in Boise
since the trial was moved to the state capital.

But he is expected to be transferred to
Idaho Maximum Security Institution,
some 10 miles south,
following his sentencing hearing on July 23.

The remote prison
is surrounded by a double perimeter fence along with razor wire,
an electronic detection system,
and 24-hour armed patrol."

Bryan Kohberger set to die in one of America’s worst prisons — with feces-smeared cages, riots and ‘biohazard’ ventilation system

He’ll serve his sentence alongside Chad Daybell, the child murderer and husband of “Doomsday” cult mom Lori Vallow, as well as two of Idaho’s most notorious serial killers.

nypost.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

IANAL, but I gather from reporting that this is what happened:

The defense requested a plea offer from the prosecution. After consulting with the families (basically just telling them what they planned to do), the prosecution created a plea offer, and then the defense accepted it. (I imagine this process involved quite a bit of negotiation between the two sides to seal the deal.)

Next, AT and BT informed Judge Hippler on Monday afternoon about the plea offer so he could schedule the hearing ASAP. (I suppose they also told the families that BK agreed to the plea offer.)

Judge Hippler’s role during Wednesday’s hearing was to make sure the plea offer (or plea agreement) was sound—that BK understood exactly what he was pleading guilty to and the ramifications of pleading guilty, and that BK wasn’t being compelled to accept the plea offer.

During the sentencing hearing on July 23/24, Judge Hippler will hear victim impact statements and determine whether or not to impose the maximum sentence included in the signed Plea Agreement (which I just now noticed was signed on Monday, June 30, the same day Hippler was informed about it, and two days before he approved it).

IMO

Correction: I just watched this video on Angenette Levy's personal YouTube channel, and she pointed out that while the Plea Agreement was stipulated on Monday, June 30 (the date at the end of the agreement ), the prosecuting attorneys, at least, signed the agreement on the day of the hearing, Wednesday, July 2. Neither AT nor BK provided a date next to their signatures, but it makes sense that they signed it the same day as Bill Thompson and Ashley Jennings.

 

[AngTxGal]

I LOVE your post, @snooptroop88!

Alas, the Probergers may not be thriving right now, but they are still living in Crazytown.

Here is a small sample of the Live Chat comments made during the live stream of Wednesday’s plea hearing hosted by my (least) favorite conspiracy theorist YouTuber (I blackened most commenter’s avatars and all names for privacy and highlighted the most egregious comments in pink and the pockets of sanity in green; be sure to check out the avatar of the comment marked with the red arrow—he’s familiar!):

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And here is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE:

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Because we all know Chris Watts is innocent.

IMOO

I’m no longer surprised at the extent people can find a group and willingly pick up the cup, drink, and swallow all the Kool Aide served to them.
Western society is losing their ability to critically think. As a person of science and logic- I find that fact frightening

I would add that the Kool Aide reference is my go to phrase, and my son has just informed me that he hasn’t a clue where it originated. A group of over 900 people were enticed to drink, and give their over 200 children poisonous Kool Aide by cult leader Jim Jones- in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978.

IMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think he knew the size and number of rooms in the house, and the possibility that multiple people would be home. He thought the rooms were far enough apart and they would be asleep.
It is a big house- the floor plan an be seen online- and the windows do not have curtains. He could easily see that many people lived in that house.
In thinking through it- Why leave a dog alive that can bark?

D saw him in the hallway and described him carrying a ‘container’. She did not see him holding a knife out in front of himself- what was he holding?

IMO

BBM

Perhaps the dog's life came under his vegan principles? We don't know why BK is vegan, I don't think, what his motivation is. Obv it's highly conflicted and hypocritical to slaughter human lives whilst simultaneously believing in the spiritual principles of veganism (if he does, he may not).

However, seems to be the case he had assigned one of the victims as his target and the remaining victims were collateral damage. In that case he had somehow distorted in thinking and put his target into a different category that he considered all other forms of life and right to live, if he's a spiritual / ethical vegan.

JMO MOO

 

[Megnut]

I very much doubt Judge Hippler dissembled. The email to the families on Sunday night may have just said, and I think SG actually indicated this, that a plea was being considered/ discussed. Either in that email or later, SG learnt the plea was first raised by the defense on the Friday. Moo, it was agreed to in detail by Monday arvo and Judge Hippler was informed. I assume the families were then contacted again regarding the hearing, getting flights and so forth. The defense probably contacted BK's family separately over the weekend. Jmo

AT may have arranged for BK's parents to talk to BK ahead of the plea discussion with the Prosecution. In fact, it may have been a weird condition BK made.

What is notable in this agreement IMO is that the Defense conceded everything, minus death. Four fixed terms, full admission of guilt, waived right to an appeal.

No Alford plea, no push for concurrent sentencing, no dropped or combined charges, no parole.

It is my understanding that AT was assigned to this case in part because she's a death penalty qualified defense attorney even though the State hadn't yet sought the DP.

So this plea satisfies every element of the State's original charges IMO. You can't improve on that. The reason cases go TO trial is because defendants don't/won't plead guilty. It's always a relief IMO when arrested suspects admit to guilt up front.

BK took two years to get there but it is done. He is done and trial is done. (Well, once sentencing is complete.)

Done, done, done and done.

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

BBM

Perhaps the dog's life came under his vegan principles? We don't know why BK is vegan, I don't think, what his motivation is. Obv it's highly conflicted and hypocritical to slaughter human lives whilst simultaneously believing in the spiritual principles of veganism (if he does, he may not).

However, seems to be the case he had assigned one of the victims as his target and the remaining victims were collateral damage. In that case he had somehow distorted in thinking and put his target into a different category that he considered all other forms of life and right to live, if he's a spiritual / ethical vegan.

JMO MOO

I can’t reconcile anything resembling moral principles to BK, am unwilling to give him any.
I believe the two girls were found in MM’s room together.
Was the dog in KG’s room, was it in a crate? To find the dog may have taken too much time?

If MM was the targeted victim- I think BK intended sexual assault and murder her- like Bundy- but to his surprise he encountered KG in her room.
What did BK plan to do after MM? I’m not sure. Maybe he intended to simply leave and then watch the reaction of all?
If he encountered the other three victims unexpectedly- he is one lucky sick killer. None of the three were able to adequately defend themselves. Maybe it was the time of night and odds that people are asleep, distance between rooms, debilitating nature of the weapon, his size- or all of these things together. No one used pepper spray or a bat- they didn’t have a chance.
I had a rod in my sliding door when I lived in an apartment in college, pepper spray in my car, a baseball bat in the den, and a 38 Special in the bedside drawer. Being from the country I was not comfortable with the noises and constant activity and sirens of a college town.
Maybe it was all the regular noises of the city and neighborhood that made noise seem normal?

IMO

 

[meatandcookies]

I agree, when you're in court, it's such a hustle and bustle with your legal team frenetically back and forth, negotiating, keeping you supplied with copy information and asking you to sign and agree things. Can barely think straight or come up for air. How they do it, the legal professionals, they're like marathon runners, it's so intense and enduring. Then for a defendant, back and forth from jail, being instructed to go here, do this, stand there, wear this, sit down... on and on.

Now the case is over, it's just BK and a prison cell. No right to Appeal, no future debates and discussions.

Suppose he can receive incoming mail. Suppose he'll be bombarded with people want to interview him and speak over the phone or come do prison visits - are they allowed that? Also there's always the mental health experts and shrinks who use the prison population like guinea pigs. Letters from his 'fan club' - will he be allowed them? What stuff will he have in prison in terms of books, access to resources, studying, exercise, yard time, gym? Will he be able to work like some prisoners do actual production line jobs and such or take a role in the prison (cleaning or that sort of thing)?

I was talking about SG and his reaction to the plea deal. It’s so interesting (in a real way, no sarcasm) that you applied this to BK. His feelings I don’t care about.

 

[meatandcookies]

It was shown in the May 9 Dateline episode.

Dateline mentioned at the beginning of the episode that the photos were “resized.” I wonder if that stretched them out. That set of photos make him look like one of those statues on Easter Island, but in a creepy way.

 

[Megnut]

I think it only took a few minutes upstairs because KG fought him. Then downstairs, a few minutes because XK fought him. But MM and EC could have been instantly killed with a stab to an artery. In the hearing, they said they know he sat down in a chair in XK's room and at some point, he had to take off the coveralls or the shoe covers or their would have been a blood trail out of the house. So, that time has to be figured into the 15-20 minutes that he was in the house.

In the end, it was likely considerably less then even that.

Parking at 4:08/:09, entering at 4:11, exiting prior to 4:19...

Could have been 8 minutes ...

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I’m no longer surprised at the extent people can find a group and willingly pick up the cup, drink, and swallow all the Kool Aide served to them.
Western society is losing their ability to critically think. As a person of science and logic- I find that fact frightening

I would add that the Kool Aide reference is my go to phrase, and my son has just informed me that he hasn’t a clue where it originated. A group of over 900 people were enticed to drink, and give their over 200 children poisonous Kool Aide by cult leader Jim Jones- in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978.

IMO

I'm no longer surprised either. I used to think people like Probergers who believe things without a shred of supporting factual evidence were in the minority, but such people seem alarmingly common nowadays.

Fun fact: the toxic beverage consumed was primarily a cheaper product named Flavor-Aid rather than Kool-Aid.

Stop Saying 'Drink the Kool-Aid'

Not only is it overused, it refers to a horrendous massacre. And it's not even technically accurate.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[ilovewings]

Just random thoughts.

I've pondered at great length what I would do if I were in the families' shoes, and concluded I would not have advocated the death penalty.

The DP comes with so many automatic appeals that the case could drag on for decades before the punishment was carried out, if ever.

During those decades, the killer could maintain a shred of hope, however tiny, that his sentence might eventually be reduced or even vacated on a technicality.

And witnesses would have to testify over and over again during the numerous appeals sure to come, and relive their trauma constantly instead of having the chance to put it behind them.

This way is better, I think. The killer has no hope left for freedom, and the witnesses can try to put this trauma in the rearview mirror and heal as much as possible.

I’m no longer surprised at the extent people can find a group and willingly pick up the cup, drink, and swallow all the Kool Aide served to them.
Western society is losing their ability to critically think. As a person of science and logic- I find that fact frightening

I would add that the Kool Aide reference is my go to phrase, and my son has just informed me that he hasn’t a clue where it originated. A group of over 900 people were enticed to drink, and give their over 200 children poisonous Kool Aide by cult leader Jim Jones- in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978.

IMO

Social media has facilitated lack of critical thinking and has brought out the worst characteristics of human beings. It really is a mob mentality-- it used to be a person might have weird thoughts about a situation: now that person puts those weird or bizarre or even dangerous thoughts out on social media and voila! he/she finds thousands of kindred spirits and these thoughts take on a life of their own and go viral!