GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[meatandcookies]

Ah sorry I misunderstood!

No, it’s all good and the idea of BK holding on to grief is fascinating, though unlikely IMO.

 

[AngTxGal]

Right. Even without the DNA, they had Bryan Kohberger's name on a list of people who purchased a KA-BAR knife and protective sheath within a specified period. They also had his name on a list of people within 10 miles of the crime scene registered to drive a white Hyundai Elantra. It was only a matter of time before someone cross-referenced both lists and paid him a visit.

"Where were you in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022?"

At this critical juncture, Kohberger would have a big decision to make. Does he tell an untruth? Easy, yes, he could simply lie to them. "I was sleeping."

But wait, no! "What if detectives have done their homework and know I was roaming outdoors?"

How would detectives interpret his body language when confronted with this simple question? I suspect, at the very least, he would be a POI without the DNA.

We were not privy to this information prior to the July 2 hearing- but he was a POI before the DNA.
That is how they got the DNA from his trashcan in PA- they had enough evidence to get the cops in PA to raid his parent’s neighbor’s trash.
Why his parent’s neighbor’s trash- because they saw him putting his trash in his neighbor’s trashcan- with gloves on.

He was already on a POI list-
So, what was the first evidence used to get probable cause- and move him up on the list?
- Statement by the Door Dash driver- who saw his car driving around that night.
- Camera footage of the car driving around combined with the DD driver’s statement?
They ran info on a white Elantra.
- Campus cops interaction? he was from PA- in a white Elantra.
- Complaints by female students in a CJ program where he was surrounded by criminology experts.
Then they could do surveillance on his parent’s PA home, got his father’s DNA, his phone records.

The reality is- he put all of the red flags on himself- by making mistakes.
In a community where murder is a rare, everyone was watching for things that didn’t make sense.
Kudos to the Moscow community, campus community, the CJ program, students that complained, the DD driver, and wonderful police work in ID and PA!

The idea that one single criminal is going to be so smart that they can go up against a driven community, seasoned LE, criminologist, social media, in 2025? It is crowd sourcing at its best.
No way, eventually all of the coordination, the monster is going to get caught.

IMO

 

[SteveP]

We were not privy to this information prior to the July 2 hearing- but he was a POI before the DNA.
That is how they got the DNA from his trashcan in PA- they had enough evidence to get the cops in PA to raid his parent’s neighbor’s trash.
Why his parent’s neighbor’s trash- because they saw him putting his trash in his neighbor’s trashcan- with gloves on.

He was already on a POI list-
So, what was the first evidence used to get probable cause- and move him up on the list?
- Statement by the Door Dash driver- who saw his car driving around that night.
- Camera footage of the car driving around combined with the DD driver’s statement?
They ran info on a white Elantra.
- Campus cops interaction? he was from PA- in a white Elantra.
- Complaints by female students in a CJ program where he was surrounded by criminology experts.
Then they could do surveillance on his parent’s PA home, got his father’s DNA, his phone records.

The reality is- he put all of the red flags on himself- by making mistakes.
In a community where murder is a rare, everyone was watching for things that didn’t make sense.
Kudos to the Moscow community, campus community, the CJ program, students that complained, the DD driver, and wonderful police work in ID and PA!

The idea that one single criminal is going to be so smart that they can go up against a driven community, seasoned LE, criminologist, social media, in 2025? It is crowd sourcing at its best.
No way, eventually all of the coordination, the monster is going to get caught.

IMO

I agree completely. Even without the DNA on the knife sheath, I fully believe that BK would have eventually been arrested and charged with the murders. WSU cops were already onto him in early December, and they had his phone number from a previous traffic stop, so they could begin to work from that angle and the similarity of his car to video captures near the scene. It may have taken considerably longer, a lot more legwork, and the case surely would not have been as strong, but I still believe there would have been enough evidence to get a conviction. JMO

 

[LAborn]

With all respect, SG encouraged crazies from every corner of the internet to bombard and harass a sitting judge and attempt to interfere in judicial proceedings. Imo the judge was not wrong to bring it up and wasn't in any way victim shaming. SG is lucky he hasn't had the cops at his door at this point. I understand that he's in agony and my heart breaks for him and the other families but that doesn't mean he has a pass to do what he wants IMO

I agree, he's going to get in legal trouble if he doesn't reign himself in.

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree, he's going to get in legal trouble if he doesn't reign himself in.

Agreed. He basically doxxed a judge in a high profile murder trial. He's lucky not to have been arrested.

MOO

 

[LAborn]

rsbm

i was thinking about this - sharing a phone number (even if it can be found online) to your followers online could be considered doxing, and especially when it’s done with the intent to incite harassment or intimidation or unwanted contact it could be considered a crime. and from what the judge says it did result in calls that had to be forwarded to LE. i’m not sure what the laws around this are in the US, and i don’t imagine anyone really wants to charge SG.

i have a lot of empathy for SG and i think it’s really valid for him to be angry. it just sucks when it seems like his anger might be hurting both others and himself.

If he posted his office phone, the judge, being a public official, that info would be accessible. I wouldn't consider that doxing. Private phone would be another matter. SG wants an "eye for an eye", and won't be satisfied with anything less. I was in his corner before, but he's treading in weird territory that seems akin to that which he's been critical of. No one is out to get him, or disrespect the victims of BK. The legal process isn't his own personal mechanism for justice. If he wants more punishment, he can start the civil process. The DA has worked to bring BK to justice and they successfully put him away for life, no appeal, no parole. SG is walking on thin ice though, don't get me wrong. He could end up with legal problems himself.

 

[LAborn]

Agreed. He basically doxxed a judge in a high profile murder trial. He's lucky not to have been arrested.

MOO

The judge said he's going through all the phone messages and emails he's received and will prosecute if necessary (he didn't specify SG specifically, but anyone who went over the line).

 

[AngTxGal]

Iirc, BT said it, didn't attribute it to DM (although it's likely from where they got it).

To me, a container is rigid.

Not like a towel, which technically could also be a container, as it would contain any blood...

Maybe they have an idea what it was but didn't want to lock it into the plea agreement.

At trial, DM might have described something he appeared to be holding, like a handheld vacuum, and the jury would be left always to wonder what the heck it was.

The way brains work (and don't work), I find myself wondering, as BK answered 'yes' and 'guilty' to each question -- abs without emotion -- if it was just staid and rehearsed for him or if his brain was simultaneously reviewing the corresponding events in his mind's eye. Does he even have that capacity? To be present to the questioning while his minds recalls?

The ease and poise with which he answered the judge will forever chill me. Detached from human warmth.

JMO

I look at BKs affect very differently now that it is being reported that he is autistic.
If you have ever encountered a male who is autistic- who has not had social therapy, many are quite robotic. The work they have to do to show signs of emotion is not natural.
I am not implying that people who are autistic are criminals- some here will misinterpret and jump down my throat.
What I am saying is that the absence of affect and understanding of human social cues is an aspect of autism- and that may be mis interpreted as lacking empathy, or psychopathy.
On the flip-side- do I have empathy for a killer due to their autism? No

What I do think is a person with autism can already be challenged by social awkwardness.
Being a child, teen, or college student with autism would not be easy. And how they would appear in court to a jury would be negative- even if they are not a guilty psychopath murderer.

I’m seeing experts interpret his affect as psychopath- but I am not hearing experts tell us what to expect of a an autistic psychopath. What does that look like?

IMO

 

[detective.moon]

If he posted his office phone, the judge, being a public official, that info would be accessible. I wouldn't consider that doxing. Private phone would be another matter.

i suppose it’s a bit of a gray area and still a relatively new issue! where i live (not in the US) it would still be considered doxing regardless of the fact that it’s public information of a public official, as long as there’s the intent to incite harassment or unwanted contact. i was curious if it’s the same in the US but from what i can find (correct me if i’m wrong) at this point there’s not much you can do legally in the US when you’re being doxed, except in a couple of states that have laws on state level (but in Idaho that’s not the case)

 

[FoxxTraxx]

We were not privy to this information prior to the July 2 hearing- but he was a POI before the DNA.
That is how they got the DNA from his trashcan in PA- they had enough evidence to get the cops in PA to raid his parent’s neighbor’s trash.
Why his parent’s neighbor’s trash- because they saw him putting his trash in his neighbor’s trashcan- with gloves on.

He was already on a POI list-
So, what was the first evidence used to get probable cause- and move him up on the list?
- Statement by the Door Dash driver- who saw his car driving around that night.
- Camera footage of the car driving around combined with the DD driver’s statement?
They ran info on a white Elantra.
- Campus cops interaction? he was from PA- in a white Elantra.
- Complaints by female students in a CJ program where he was surrounded by criminology experts.
Then they could do surveillance on his parent’s PA home, got his father’s DNA, his phone records.

The reality is- he put all of the red flags on himself- by making mistakes.
In a community where murder is a rare, everyone was watching for things that didn’t make sense.
Kudos to the Moscow community, campus community, the CJ program, students that complained, the DD driver, and wonderful police work in ID and PA!

The idea that one single criminal is going to be so smart that they can go up against a driven community, seasoned LE, criminologist, social media, in 2025? It is crowd sourcing at its best.
No way, eventually all of the coordination, the monster is going to get caught.

IMO

BK made a ton of mistakes. For one he should have left the cell phone at home.
He left behind a cell phone pattern of driving through the area over several months, and especially
on 11/13/22. Turning the phone on and off didn't throw anyone off the trail.
A white car is another big mistake. Easier to ID than a darker colored car.
Buying the knife on Amazon was another mistake. You can buy such stuff at flea markets, garage sales,
military surplus stores (if there are any still around), etc...
I agree he would have been caught.

 

[Chimera]

I also think we need to think of DM and BF here, both traumatised. How would they ever be expected to go forwards to their lives with 20 years of this hanging over them? 20 years of every hearing restarting awful accusations towards them? I know the families lost children, but there were 6 victims in that house, not 4. So maybe the majority consensus actually was to take the plea?

Well said. ^^^^
I think the most hurtful accusations might have been leveled at them -- that they knew more than they were saying or ignored what was occurring !
If there were people coming and going and if it was a house that hosted parties, it wouldn't be unusual for the other roommates to maybe have friends just stay the night or whatever.
So noises might just be the visitors or the victims.

Brutal to have to live with what happened .... even without BK's defense atty. or other ignorant people bringing up the survivors who were and are innocent.
And yes you're correct --they're victims !
Imo.

 

[SteveP]

I am seeing several comments here about BK purchasing another KaBar knife and sheath immediately after the murders. Unless I am wrong, there is no evidence that he ever purchased another one, but merely that he was known to have been searching for them on Amazon again, and later tried to delete that search history. Also, LE never found any "replacemet" that we are aware of, although there were a couple knives listed as found in searches of his parents home, IIRC. Neither were listed as being a KaBar, or with a sheath, as I would have expected them to be, if they were.

Also, we all, I think, believe that BK is somewhere on the Autism spectrum, but have we learned of any factual reports that say that, other than AT's claims? JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

BK made a ton of mistakes. For one he should have left the cell phone at home.
He left behind a cell phone pattern of driving through the area over several months, and especially
on 11/13/22. Turning the phone on and off didn't throw anyone off the trail.
A white car is another big mistake. Easier to ID than a darker colored car.
Buying the knife on Amazon was another mistake. You can buy such stuff at flea markets, garage sales,
military surplus stores (if there are any still around), etc...
I agree he would have been caught.

For all of these reasons, I suspect he possibly wasn't even intending to kill anyone at all, not even one. Honestly!

I think that maybe he'd become fixated, obsessed, with stalking and surveillance - looking through the window and creeping around. Maybe he wanted to enter, hot prowl MM if she were fast asleep, maybe take photos, or maybe gag her, or KO her with some sort of gas or injection, hold her at knife point and do some weird horrid stuff that wouldn't leave any fibres or evidence. A perverse sexual drive and control maybe being the motivation, also maybe to create a puzzle.

If he thought there was going to be a large scale hunt for him, he'd not have bought a Kabar online, not left the house with his own mobile phone, he could have got a knife anywhere for cash, a second 'burner' phone, he'd have gone so far in a vehicle or used a motorbike and parked up discretely covering the rest on foot. The actual crime speaks to having no planning except some sort of coverall suit. The lack of any other 'cover up' leans into this outcome not being the original plan at all.

I don't mean to cause any offence in saying this. JMO MOO

 

[DizzyB]

Did the DNA from the sheath make investigators look at everything else? They knew a car, they knew it did not have a front license plate. At what point did they tie BK in and access the phone records, that he drove an Elantra? Can anyone identify the order?
When they found the relative through the DNA and built the tree, I think they found an individual in BK who lived nearby, owned the right car, had connected to the King Rd wifi, had issues at school, and so on. I am not as sure that the process would have ended in arrest if there was no DNA. Maybe years from now.

 

[justwannahelp]

I followed this i case in the beginning and on and off since. Sorry for jumping back in asking something that’s been covered. Where did the info about Dylan seeing him carrying a case of some sort come from?

Also, was a list or a presentation of some sort of some or all of the prosecution’s evidence required by the judge in order to accept BK’s plea? (It is my understanding that that is customary in some states.) Or did he just accept “his word”?

I feel bad for Mr. G. Hopefully he finds peace eventually knowing BK will never be able to harm another innocent individual. Of course everyone is different, and no one knows how they would REALLY feel until they find themselves actually living such an awful reality, but I think I’d be relieved to not have to “relive” my daughter’s and my daughter’s best friends’ brutal murders, and I’d be glad that BK wouldn’t get sick satisfaction publicly reliving them, as we all know he would. Again, that’s just how I PERSONALLY feel, and I’m not judging anyone who feels differently. I understand why people may feel differently.

I, though, as a mother, would be absolutely exhausted by all of it physically and emotionally, so I think I’d be “ok” with this conclusion. Honestly life in prison sounds more miserable to me than death when you know there’s no chance of getting out which in this case, there isn’t.

Either way, I pray all the families and friends can eventually find some form of peace in their lives. May God be with them.

 

[Pugsterpig]

death. the picture on the right. he looks like death.

Does anyone else recall a photo of a man in a black hood from a ring camera that was circulating when this first happened? I can't find it, but the one on the right reminds me of it.

 

[Arkay]

During the hearing I found myself staring at AT almost as much as I stared at Bryan.

The jig was up. Her entire defense was a Potemkin Village——all a false front. Now she had to sit there with him and implicitly acknowledge that her foolish defense strategies went nowhere.

IMO, without the DNA, Bryan would have been a prime suspect due to the circumstantial evidence and DM’s spotting him, but I don’t know if a conviction would have been assured. The DNA was the irrefutable piece of evidence.

JMO

 

[justwannahelp]

I am seeing several comments here about BK purchasing another KaBar knife and sheath immediately after the murders. Unless I am wrong, there is no evidence that he ever purchased another one, but merely that he was known to have been searching for them on Amazon again, and later tried to delete that search history. Also, LE never found any "replacemet" that we are aware of, although there were a couple knives listed as found in searches of his parents home, IIRC. Neither were listed as being a KaBar, or with a sheath, as I would have expected them to be, if they were.

Also, we all, I think, believe that BK is somewhere on the Autism spectrum, but have we learned of any factual reports that say that, other than AT's claims? JMO

Correct. He searched but none were purchased.

Isn’t his mom a psychologist? Or his sister, maybe? Childhood friends’ parents say he seemed to be on the spectrum. But I haven’t come across an actual diagnosis, but HIPPA wouldn’t allow a doc to come out and say that

 

[Shadowtrix]

I followed this i case in the beginning and on and off since. Sorry for jumping back in asking something that’s been covered. Where did the info about Dylan seeing him carrying a case of some sort come from?

During the plea hearing, BT stated DM recounted seeing BK passing by her holding a container.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

DBM--duplicate.