GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[RatFace]

That signature with the ornamental C was also discussed on the last Vinne Politan show because Vinnie was commenting on how different the two signatures were, even though BK had signed them one day apart. ( The frilly C was on the plea agreement 30 June and the normal C was on 1st July plea sheets. He's attempting classical serif style imo - which is rather ' grand'. - but gets it wrong. )
I also thought the stylistic inconsistency was unusual, but more typical in a child who's still not decided on their sig style



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He also misspells his own name, leaving an r out of Kohberger on the first and ending it with "gar" or "gen" on the second. Kind of odd. Both look like the signature of a young child to me.

 

[Miss Poovy]

He also misspells his own name, leaving an r out of Kohberger on the first and ending it with "gar" or "gen" on the second. Kind of odd. Both look like the signature of a young child to me.

I know lots with undefinable signatures, but his writing reminds me of someone with poor fine motor skills.

 

[Vaderman]

That signature with the ornamental C was also discussed on the last Vinne Politan show because Vinnie was commenting on how different the two signatures were, even though BK had signed them one day apart. ( The frilly C was on the plea agreement 30 June and the normal C was on 1st July plea sheets. He's attempting classical serif style imo - which is rather ' grand'. - but gets it wrong. )
I also thought the stylistic inconsistency was unusual, but more typical in a child who's still not decided on their sig style



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I can speak from experience here. It is not easy signing your name when you are in handcuffs. I would not look too deeply into BK's signature.

 

[iamshadow21]

He also misspells his own name, leaving an r out of Kohberger on the first and ending it with "gar" or "gen" on the second. Kind of odd. Both look like the signature of a young child to me.

He's not omitting it. He uses a copperplate lowercase r, it's just difficult to see because he's got very irregular handwriting. My brother's handwriting is similar in fluency, like he got the basics of 'joined up' writing and never developed after the age of about nine, so never got that fluid movement most of us have. It's a strong indication that BK's not completely fabricating having a level of fine motor difficulties. It's common with spectrum folks. Sometimes, my mother can't read her own writing, but I can, after a lifetime deciphering her random squiggles.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

TBH I think it's fairly typical these days - younger people to have poor handwriting ( digital generation & cursive script we had to do as kids) - and more common for younger men to have poorer handwriting but nontheless, Vinnie Politan thought the contrast between the two signatures was striking

and as @RatFace says, missing the letter r in one of the signatures. ( That was July 1st sig, subsequent to the fancy C sig on June 30th)
Maybe some extra stress on Jul 1st? Knowing he's soon going to have to admit guilt, which he's fought for almost 3 years?)

Edit - would he really be in cuffs when in consultation with Taylor?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I can speak from experience here. It is not easy signing your name when you are in handcuffs. I would not look too deeply into BK's signature.

No wonder I look so forward to your posts.

 

[Chimera]

Just think --- BK was taking and completing college courses, had a car and an apt., lived away from his parents, could have done something productive with his life.
Not everyone gets those opportunities.
Instead he chooses to live in a cell until he's old and gray.
What a loser and a waste of air.

Every time I read this thread I think about the grieving families of the four young people and the two survivors.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

They're a great combination, I've followed Josh since he started his channel but having Adam there to maintain accuracy on the case details is great.

I learned a few things from the CGI animation although it's all TBC until disclosure
- MM & KG's blood found in XK's bedroom
- XK's blood in the upper hallway. ( No wonder Thompson's voice was breaking at the hearing when he read out her name. I so wish she had been asleep, its just horrific)
- hearing the audio - haunting voices, thud & dog bark - within a full sequence is truly hideous.

A couple of other remarks from Fixler & Ritter
- the lack of a proffer & interview ( Maybe Pros tried but BK was adamant as late as 30 June that he'd never sit down to an interview even if the State responded with threatened leverage of refusal to accept?)
- sad to hear that Goncalves had included names of the three female victims on their car bumper but excluded Ethan Chapin's name.

Bbm.
Was there a rift ?
If so, not surprising given the mental anguish all of the families are going through !

For my part, I can't think of Maddie, Xana, & Kaylee without thinking of
Ethan.

There were some new photos of Ethan in the Vinnie Politano video.

The four names will always be together in my mind.
Omo.

 

[browneyes]

Just think --- BK was taking and completing college courses, had a car and an apt., lived away from his parents, could have done something productive with his life.
Not everyone gets those opportunities.
Instead he chooses to live in a cell until he’s old and gray. ****
What a loser and a waste of air.

Every time I read this thread I think about the grieving families of the four young people and the two survivors.
Imo.

**** until he’s dead.

 

[RatFace]

He's not omitting it. He uses a copperplate lowercase r, it's just difficult to see because he's got very irregular handwriting. My brother's handwriting is similar in fluency, like he got the basics of 'joined up' writing and never developed after the age of about nine, so never got that fluid movement most of us have. It's a strong indication that BK's not completely fabricating having a level of fine motor difficulties. It's common with spectrum folks. Sometimes, my mother can't read her own writing, but I can, after a lifetime deciphering her random squiggles.

MOO

If there's an r (before the g) in the first Kohberger, then he is missing another letter (either a b or an e). It looks to me like he sort of combines his b and e in both signatures, which is why he would be missing an r in the first.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942946923461140788

"Although Kohberger may receive additional security due to how high-profile his case was,
he won't be living in isolation like the death row prisoners,
who spend 23 hours a day locked up in their cells.

He'll also have to work in prison,
leaving him in constantly in contact with other inmates and exposed,
whereas,
death row prisoners are served meals to their cells and have very little contact with others.

Add on that Kohberger has been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum by a psychiatrist hired by his defense,
who found he had
'poor insight into his role in relationships'
and often spoke in canned phrases.

This means
the murderer might not always be able to identify if an inmate is being a threat to him.

He also doesn't have any fight training,
despite his father taking him to a boxing coach to boost his confidence.

His former coach told the jury that he never actually worked out in the gym, only showed up on the advice of his father.

'He’ll probably get protective custody,
because of the high-profile case'."

 

[Chimera]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942946923461140788

"Although Kohberger may receive additional security due to how high-profile his case was,
he won't be living in isolation like the death row prisoners,
who spend 23 hours a day locked up in their cells.

He'll also have to work in prison,
leaving him in constantly in contact with other inmates and exposed,
whereas,
death row prisoners are served meals to their cells and have very little contact with others.

Add on that Kohberger has been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum by a psychiatrist hired by his defense,
who found he had 'poor insight into his role in relationships'
and often spoke in canned phrases.

This means the murderer might not always be able to identify if an inmate is being a threat to him.

He also doesn't have any fight training,
despite his father taking him to a boxing coach to boost his confidence.
His former coach told the jury that he never actually worked out in the gym, only showed up on the advice of his father.

'He’ll probably get protective custody,
because of the high-profile case'."

Purple emphasis mine.
Thanks for the link , @Dotta !

My opinion only, re. the bolded: Oh heck no.
He needs to have the same protection his victims were afforded.
Although with the passing of time this 'protection' can hopefully be rescinded.

And unlike his victims, BK is far from innocent, regardless of his diagnosis-- which imo has not been confirmed outside of the court, but by a psychiatrist hired by the defense whom we don't know if said psychiatrist was telling the truth, or embellishing in his clients' defense.
If BK wasn't diagnosed before the murders, then there is room for doubt.
Omo.

 

[iamshadow21]

If there's an r (before the g) in the first Kohberger, then he is missing another letter (either a b or an e). It looks to me like he sort of combines his b and e in both signatures, which is why he would be missing an r in the first.

Yeah, he smushes the b and e together on both.

It's easy to do, conflating two movements together. I have two 'upright' letters in my first name, and occasionally I only remember to go up once. Always embarrassing, since I'm always signing in front of a stranger, generally. I don't tend to sign my name alone for fun, not since I was a teenager working out what I wanted it to look like.

MOO

 

[Miss Poovy]

He's not omitting it. He uses a copperplate lowercase r, it's just difficult to see because he's got very irregular handwriting. My brother's handwriting is similar in fluency, like he got the basics of 'joined up' writing and never developed after the age of about nine, so never got that fluid movement most of us have. It's a strong indication that BK's not completely fabricating having a level of fine motor difficulties. It's common with spectrum folks. Sometimes, my mother can't read her own writing, but I can, after a lifetime deciphering her random squiggles.

MOO

Yes, back in the day, we were taught to write Rs like this. Capital Qs, you would almost have to be taught in cursive, this is a Q. Liked like a huge #2 with flourishes.

 

[Sundog]

I think the Defense were covering their bases by presenting this much younger looking BK for the Judge and the general pop who watched the hearings live. There weren't a lot of other times he would be appearing in public before trial.

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Also, maybe the defense was in the process of trying out new looks for the jury selection.

 

[Chloegirl]

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I have guessed that he is trying not to piss off the family, not that he was trying to leave EC out. JMOO

Maybe they have asked him to leave their son out of it?

Early on, I perceived his comment of they did not have to go upstairs as "blame". I was not sure, but I can imagine that there could be some animosity from various camps about how they were targeted. This seems a little natural when trying to make sense of scene. JMOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Agree @Rolypolyoly maybe not serial killer at first, but I have to say of all the vids and clips I've seen of BK (traffic stops, hearings, etc.), I would definitely run. Bright flashing warning lights going off full tilt.

Not just awkward, but something sinister. I have only felt that way immediately with a handful of defendants over the years. Leticia S in the Gannon Stauch murder case was another. Pure evil.

JMO

Im with you on Leticia! She is soul less.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942985611792531639

 

[Miss Poovy]

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It may be Ethan’s parents didn’t approve or want Ethan’s name displayed. They seem to be private folks. I don’t know, of course.

 

[bugenjoyer]

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I don't think he'll try to do anything to any other inmates. His original goal was to murder some young women while they slept. He's a coward; he would never try to attack a fully awake full grown man in prison. imo