GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[lonetraveler]

Trivial, but....reading through his CV, I thought it odd Kohberger would write his BS GPA as 3.315/4.0. Who uses 3 decimal points in a CV? Why not just round up to 3.32? Then it occurred to me - he'd already rounded up (likely from 3.3145), but could not legitimately round it to 3.32 as, properly rounded, it would be 3.31.

He was definitely trying to inflate his gpa.

 

[Cool Cats]

it's just that they enjoy it. that's the problem giving BK moments to savor...you know he hates them all and could care less. mOO

I do not think BK would enjoy anything Steve G would say to him

 

[whiterhino]

Bryan has no empathy at all ...he doesn't care about the impact on families. He hates those families and wanted nothing more than to destroy them. any kind of apology or admission is utterly FAKE.
he is not sorry and never will be. he is probably more wrapped up in his "reasons" than anything else and he will be the world's greatest student and expert regarding his own crimes. He feels he has elevated himself. I also don't think he will last long in prison even under protection. mOO

BBM

If BK is a narcissist then this is likely true. Also IMO a narcissist might want their chance to apologize and address the court.

BK has no power. He is going to be told where to go, what to eat, when to sleep and how to behave for the rest of his life. Later today, I'm going to visit some friends, go for a great walk outdoors, and maybe have some ice cream. Or not. Because I'm free to do what I want, within the law and my own resources. BK is behind bars and barbed wire. Only the most institutionally acclimated want to be in prison.

BBM

Yes! Also a way to cherish loved ones and keep them close (if that makes sense). I truly wish that for the victims families, that they can find peace at some point.

moo.

 

[Luna20]

BK has no power. He is going to be told where to go, what to eat, when to sleep and how to behave for the rest of his life. Later today, I'm going to visit some friends, go for a great walk outdoors, and maybe have some ice cream. Or not. Because I'm free to do what I want, within the law and my own resources. BK is behind bars and barbed wire. Only the most institutionally acclimated want to be in prison.

A Narcissist who finds a way to be famous outside of a prison can tell BK he blew it, the joke is on him. He has enjoyed the short-lived spotlight, those days are soon to be forgotten.

 

[cottonweaver]

He was definitely trying to inflate his gpa.

I'd never have noticed if Diddian hadn't pointed that out.

Related - his Quora Q & A's which I mentioned last week. It's weird to me that a full time teaching assistant/PhD researcher finds the time and motivation to answer random strangers Qs on the internet, and that those Qs are are about IQ and GPA. It's 'a thing' for him. ( Vulnerability)

Edit -
On second thoughts a more benign explanation could be that after his difficulties in High School and struggles in late teens, he became overly desperate to prove himself.

But later he gets fixated on it and feels the need to 'punch down' on students and peers.
(Can't remember his teen timeline now, haven't looked at that since we pieced that together here in 2023.)

Am imagining him, behind the scenes, trying to school A Taylor & his other attorneys on the law!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

A Narcissist who finds a way to be famous outside of a prison can tell BK he blew it, the joke is on him. He has enjoyed the short-lived spotlight, those days are soon to be forgotten.

Sarah Boone nee Paulson, suitcase murderer, used her 'moment' to make a long and elaborate speech in court at the end of her case, victim blaming the victim and every member of his family and everyone she'd ever met by 'forgiving them'. It was so outrageous that only a true NPD could possibly consider it.

I think BK is the more seething silent 'superior' type and would not degrade himself to such low level antics (in his mind). I'm sure he's well aware that for the rest of his life, forensic psychology and psychiatry students will be interested in him and that people from all disciplines such as art therapists, social scientists, medical doctors, neurologists, psycho-pharmacologists etc as well as journalists, writers, general creeps, and murder fans will be fascinated by him. Sadly this is true and always the case. He knows this, he's been studying it. Many killers and murderers have been the fascination of the public and professionals. He doesn't have to make money out of it, he can however make a game out of it and I think playing (evil) games is the basis of what he did in the first place.

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'd never have noticed if Diddian hadn't pointed that out.

Related - his Quora Q & A's which I mentioned last week. It's weird to me that a full time teaching assistant/PhD researcher finds the time and motivation to answer random strangers Qs on the internet, and that those Qs are are about IQ and GPA. It's 'a thing' for him. ( Vulnerability)

Edit -
On second thoughts a more benign explanation could be that after his difficulties in High School and struggles in late teens, he became overly desperate to prove himself.

But later he gets fixated on it and feels the need to 'punch down' on students and peers.
(Can't remember his teen timeline now, haven't looked at that since we pieced that together here in 2023.)

Am imagining him, behind the scenes, trying to school A Taylor & his other attorneys on the law!

Most abusers and also narcissists to the point of NPD are extremely hierarchical in their thinking. They're also chronically codependent as they *need* 'supply' = people. BK may have looked like a loner but he was seeking out supply.

They kow tow to people they hold in esteem and punch down and bully in order to prop up their own fragile self image. This same system of behaviour can be seen in most patriarchal hierarchical institutions whether it's the army or boarding school and that's when systems and organisations can become sick to their core.

JMO

 

[Luna20]

Sarah Boone nee Paulson, suitcase murderer, used her 'moment' to make a long and elaborate speech in court at the end of her case, victim blaming the victim and every member of his family and everyone she'd ever met by 'forgiving them'. It was so outrageous that only a true NPD could possibly consider it.

I think BK is the more seething silent 'superior' type and would not degrade himself to such low level antics (in his mind). I'm sure he's well aware that for the rest of his life, forensic psychology and psychiatry students will be interested in him and that people from all disciplines such as art therapists, social scientists, medical doctors, neurologists, psycho-pharmacologists etc as well as journalists, writers, general creeps, and murder fans will be fascinated by him. Sadly this is true and always the case. He knows this, he's been studying it. Many killers and murderers have been the fascination of the public and professionals. He doesn't have to make money out of it, he can however make a game out of it and I think playing (evil) games is the basis of what he did in the first place.

JMO MOO

Agree that he is the seething superior type and will make a name for himself wherever he can but the spotlight won’t be on him 24-7. He won’t be in the daily national news. He won’t be walking into a court room with a different suit on commanding attention. He won’t be sitting next to a female who is defending him against the charges, he enjoyed every minute of that mind game.

Regardless of what he conjures up he will never be a father, he will never have a prominent role in politics, he will never plan a vacation, he will never eat good food, he will never drive a car and much more than that. Outside of prison he always be thought of as a loser.

 

[cottonweaver]

Most abusers and also narcissists to the point of NPD are extremely hierarchical in their thinking. They're also chronically codependent as they *need* 'supply' = people. BK may have looked like a loner but he was seeking out supply.

They kow tow to people they hold in esteem and punch down and bully in order to prop up their own fragile self image. This same system of behaviour can be seen in most patriarchal hierarchical institutions whether it's the army or boarding school and that's when systems and organisations can become sick to their core.

JMO

'extremely hierarchical... BK may have looked like a loner but he was seeking out supply.'

reminds me of that old photo, 2018 NCC talk by M Attwood and he's in the front seat with his copy!

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted at feminist author Margaret Atwood’s 2018 lecture

Kohberger, now 28, is spotted front and center at the 2018 event at Northampton Community College.

nypost.com

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Anyway, back on the Angenette Levy & Joe Giacalone interview.
It's going to be something if it turns out that he really did have a murder plan - although not a specific target - before he made his application to WSU for the PhD.
IDK if they're overthinking the passage where he tells Chief Joe Jenkins that ' Pullman is personally significant to me" but they both seized on that

 

[girlhasnoname]

“Had I selected him, he would have been embedded with the Pullman Police Department.”Police Chief Gary Jenkins says “The hair on the back of my neck stood up” when he realized the person he interviewed for an internship was Bryan Kohberger the murder suspect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946559335426875725

Cop who interviewed Bryan Kohberger: 'Hair on back of my neck stood up' | Banfield​

When you know, you know. Great Cop instincts here and I'm sure it absolutely crushed BK that he wasn't going to be in a position of power over people.

There has to be substantial red flag signals coming off this murderer, that everyone he meets (women especially, but men also) thinks there is something definitely wrong/off about him.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

After reading posts here and elsewhere, I think it does make sense that he can appeal. I think the plea that removes the ability to appeal means they won't be in court endlessly as he appeals anything and everything. I think there are cases where LE/the courts get people to plea, and they do not do it on the up and up. They might take advantage of them or scare them or lie to them, etc. Those people should be allowed to bring that up if it did happen and even in cases where they take a plea that also includes no appealing. It ultimately protects the court system and would only have any chase of being granted if someone did in fact lie to him, coerced him or something to get him to agree to a plea. It sounds like the judge and all participants here have been thorough in making sure he understands what he's pleading to and was no lied to or bribed with anything other than no death penalty. I think those appeals are for those who were lied to or for those who were taken advantage of somehow by the court system. BK was none of that. I don't see any appeal making it anywhere.

Right, no appeals and no chance for possible sentence reduction. The State locked BK in for the rest of his miserable life.

I know there are a lot of people who wanted the DP for the murderer, I was one in the beginning. I changed my mind because I think it will hurt the murderer more to NOT have the fame and notoriety of being a "Death Row Inmate". BK was never going to allocate, never IMO. If by some chance he did, who could believe a word of it any way?

Let him be sentenced and rot away in a 10 x 12 cell for the rest of his sick life. At least the families and survivors won't be made to fight appeals for the next 20-30 years. That is some serious emotional trauma for them all.

BK is a nothing, no criminal genius, no evil super mastermind. Just a coward who snuck in an off campus house in the dead of night to kill the type of female(s) who would never give him the time of day or who did it just for the heck of it (a crap job btw). Maybe both.

Nothing he says is going to bring these families loved ones back or even give them the closure or peace they so desperately want. It doesn't exit and I'm so sorry for that. I hope they can try to move forward and remember their bright, great kids for who they were...Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. Not the victims of a subhuman monster.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

My understanding is that a plea can only be changed up until a case goes to the jury. As for an appeal, it has to be based on a legality, not just because the convicted changed their mind or didn't like the verdict.

So IMO, he can appeal but it won't be granted. Prior to accepting the plea, Judge Beale questioned Kohberger on how his agreement to the plea deal came about and everything BK responded indicated that he was fully aware of what it entailed.

I loved it when Judge Hippler asked the murderer if he was guilty "Yes", and "Are you saying that because you committed the crimes?" BK says "Yes" again. He asked him 9 ways to Sunday and each time BK answered Yes.

 

[Inthedetails]

Regardless of what he conjures up he will never be a father, he will never have a prominent role in politics, he will never plan a vacation, he will never eat good food, he will never drive a car and much more than that. Outside of prison he always be thought of as a loser.

Snip.

That's what I think the victim statements should state. For as much pain as BK inflicted on the families, they get to move beyond the tragedy and live. He should remember, every day, that they are living in the world and he is not. He couldn't cut it in the world. He failed.

If that said with disdain and DISMISSAL, I think that's the only thing they could say that would bother him.

SG has said he wants to know the injuries in preparation for his statement. I don't judge his personal reasons for that, but BK might enjoy hearing about the pain. I think to inflict pain on BK, dismiss him. Ignore him. Put an end to his influence.

jmo

 

[Tealgrove]

Sarah Boone nee Paulson, suitcase murderer, used her 'moment' to make a long and elaborate speech in court at the end of her case, victim blaming the victim and every member of his family and everyone she'd ever met by 'forgiving them'. It was so outrageous that only a true NPD could possibly consider it.

I think BK is the more seething silent 'superior' type and would not degrade himself to such low level antics (in his mind). I'm sure he's well aware that for the rest of his life, forensic psychology and psychiatry students will be interested in him and that people from all disciplines such as art therapists, social scientists, medical doctors, neurologists, psycho-pharmacologists etc as well as journalists, writers, general creeps, and murder fans will be fascinated by him. Sadly this is true and always the case. He knows this, he's been studying it. Many killers and murderers have been the fascination of the public and professionals. He doesn't have to make money out of it, he can however make a game out of it and I think playing (evil) games is the basis of what he did in the first place.

JMO MOO

I will never forget Ariel Castro, at sentencing, telling the court that “there was a LOT of love in that house”.

As a victim, having endured a decade of sexual abuse, violence, degradation, etc., what goes through your head when you hear something like that?

I don’t think BK will speak. I don’t think he’s going to say a word.

He’s soulless. He doesn’t care one iota what his victims, or victim’s family think.

I believe he may try to appeal. Ineffective counsel - not a chance. He didn’t understand - not a chance. Mental Illness/autism whatever else he wants to try - not a chance. Just because he seeks an appeal doesn’t mean he’ll get it.

MOO

 

[Teche]

Right, no appeals and no chance for possible sentence reduction. The State locked BK in for the rest of his miserable life.

I know there are a lot of people who wanted the DP for the murderer, I was one in the beginning. I changed my mind because I think it will hurt the murderer more to NOT have the fame and notoriety of being a "Death Row Inmate". BK was never going to allocate, never IMO. If by some chance he did, who could believe a word of it any way?

Let him be sentenced and rot away in a 10 x 12 cell for the rest of his sick life. At least the families and survivors won't be made to fight appeals for the next 20-30 years. That is some serious emotional trauma for them all.

BK is a nothing, no criminal genius, no evil super mastermind. Just a coward who snuck in an off campus house in the dead of night to kill the type of female(s) who would never give him the time of day or who did it just for the heck of it (a crap job btw). Maybe both.

Nothing he says is going to bring these families loved ones back or even give them the closure or peace they so desperately want. It doesn't exit and I'm so sorry for that. I hope they can try to move forward and remember their bright, great kids for who they were...Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. Not the victims of a subhuman monster.

JMO

I’d like to see him locked up in solitary confinement and no opportunity to have contact with the outside world, no tv, and no visitors ever.

 

[zachs mema]

I will never forget Ariel Castro, at sentencing, telling the court that “there was a LOT of love in that house”.

As a victim, having endured a decade of sexual abuse, violence, degradation, etc., what goes through your head when you hear something like that?

I don’t think BK will speak. I don’t think he’s going to say a word.

He’s soulless. He doesn’t care one iota what his victims, or victim’s family think.

I believe he may try to appeal. Ineffective counsel - not a chance. He didn’t understand - not a chance. Mental Illness/autism whatever else he wants to try - not a chance. Just because he seeks an appeal doesn’t mean he’ll get it.

MOO

I hope SG tells him what he's lost, and then tells him his goal of being a serial killer will never happen, as he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Telling him he's a bumbling idiot, that cannot find a girlfriend, and add all his list of failures, that will bother him. He has no soul. Now all the profilers will be giving him attention, asking his opinions will just fuel him up to thinking he's important. Of course I want the world to hear how wonderful the kids were, but I hope someone puts in with all his studies, his attempts to work in law enforcement he couldn't get a job. Couldn't get a date, and left clues with the sheath and his car. His punishment should be no interviews, out in open with his new roomies

 

[Boxer]

I think BKs mother told him she would never stop fighting for his life if he got he death penalty. He weighed being on death row with his mother out there unstoppably advocating, with just being a prisoner. It was a lifestyle choice.

 

[Gemmie]

“[Kaylee] had definitely been stabbed multiple times and they kind of described it as a drowning that can occur," Steve says. "But she did say gagging; [Kohberger] struck her in the face.”

Kristi adds that Kaylee had a broken nose, septal hematomas, asphyxial injuries and defense wounds on her arms. " She [was] stabbed many, many times. But how many, we don’t know," the mother says.

What the Coroner Told Kaylee Goncalves’ Parents About How She Died: Like 'a Drowning'

“She had definitely been stabbed multiple times and they kind of described it as a drowning that can occur," Steve Goncalves said on the 'Today' show

www.yahoo.com

 

[Gemmie]

SG stating what the coroner told them on camera. Video set to start at that point, can restart from the beginning if interested in their entire interview.

 

[whatzthebuzz]

I hope SG tells him what he's lost, and then tells him his goal of being a serial killer will never happen, as he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Telling him he's a bumbling idiot, that cannot find a girlfriend, and add all his list of failures, that will bother him. He has no soul.

I wonder if there's anything that could be said in a Victim Impact statement that would "hit home", so to speak, with BK? IMO I doubt it. I had ChatGPT write me a statement from the POV of one of the families and asked it to include was a loser BK is, in the statement. The negativity made me laugh.

It would be interesting to hear something similar read, and watch BK's body language while it was read.

MOO