GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[texaslb218]

I have been thinking about the VI statements. I have not experienced anything like this tragedy. But MOO. I don't believe BK has remorse or embarrassment or regret. I don't believe he has any empathy or consideration for the loved ones who are so damaged. I am thinking I might not be willing to share one bit of my feelings, my thoughts, my wishes, my soul with this murderer. Stating such might just give him some satisfaction in a pathological way. I might want to thank the judge, the jury, the prosecutors, and the supporters. But I would not want to address this miscreant in any way. Obviously, these are only my thoughts and am not responding to any of the conversations about reactions.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't know if this topic has already been broached because I am two threads back and moving like a (determined) turtle, but this comes to mind:

I in NO WAY mean to blame the victims here because they are blameless, but if I had kids going off to college in the fall and preparing to live off-campus, I'd talk about the Idaho murders. I'd ask them to get (or help them to find) well-fitting window coverings and to adopt the habit of closing the window coverings at dusk, even covering sliding glass doors with a curtain on rings like a shower curtain. I'd finance the project if the landlord/lady would agree. Seems like the damage would just amount to a few nail holes that could be filled in and painted over.

I'd ask my kids to use the locks on their doors that lead to the outdoors, at the very least at night, and even better, during the day, too. I know their friends come in and out, but the friends could adapt. My kids might or might not listen.....might or might not act. They could blow it all off and think it was just more of Mom being Mom, but the Idaho story is very compelling.

When I walk in my neighborhood at dusk, people are beginning to close the blinds, and, I presume, lock up. I know not everyone does this, and that's fine, but we keep our house locked 24/7, whether home or away. There is really no reason why young people, perhaps out on their own for the first time, couldn't begin to practice home safety habits that they probably will be adopting later on in life, maybe when they have their own kids to protect.

I think about this all the time. I'm not the best at locking doors but I have cellular shades on all the window along with sheer curtains. They're also useful in keeping heating and cooling bills down. What I think about with these kids is the time the police came over on a noise complaint and no one who lived in the home was there. In one way, that's such a joyful thing, for college kids to have a place to congregate. But how vulnerable it makes them.

 

[mickey2942]

The documentary on Prime was very well done. I feel so sorry for anyone who was dragged into this situation, the victims, families, friends of victims. The survivors have apparently had terrible experiences with social media.

I agreed with the statement by one of the victims/survivors interviewed in the documentary, that his name is always going to be synonymous with the "Idaho Murders". You put his name on any search engine and that is what comes up. Not his work information, sports or anything related to him but the Idaho murders, as he was at the scene.

That is a lot to take in. It resonated with me. That poor guy.

 

[iamshadow21]

The documentary on Prime was very well done. I feel so sorry for anyone who was dragged into this situation, the victims, families, friends of victims. The survivors have apparently had terrible experiences with social media.

I agreed with the statement by one of the victims/survivors interviewed in the documentary, that his name is always going to be synonymous with the "Idaho Murders". You put his name on any search engine and that is what comes up. Not his work information, sports or anything related to him but the Idaho murders, as he was at the scene.

That is a lot to take in. It resonated with me. That poor guy.

Yeah, I watched it this morning, and I was reserved about my expectations going in. When I saw Liz Garbus come up in the opening credits, I was more hopeful about it. I've found the quality of other productions she's been involved with that I've watched to be good, and this was no exception. The focus was where it should be - on the four deceased victims and the huge amount of living ones. It felt measured, respectful, and non sensationalist while not ignoring or downplaying the damage done by the rabid interest in the case by MSM, fringe media, and random members of the public. I can recommend it.

MOO

 

[Chimera]

Ive been thinking the same thing these last couple of days. I do believe Maddy was his target, and that he didn't plan to kill more than her that night, but I am also coming round to thinking that he did it for exactly the reason you stated. The need to know. To experience it for himself in order to be able to understand how it feels, I dont think he is capable of imagining.

Bbm.

Well, now BK gets to experience prison for himself !
Anything from now on that comes his way is of his own volition.
Make better choices, people.
Imo.

 

[cottonweaver]

remember this report from two years ago?

Incidents involving women. Also check out the phrase - mixed population!
'

Tanya Carmella-Beers, who served as Kohberger's former administrator at the Monroe Career & Technical Institute:

"There had been one or two incidents that had occurred....," Carmella-Beers told Fox Nation. "Some of the issues that arose were based on having a mixed population in that classroom. One of those incidents ultimately resulted in him being removed from that program."

After two incidents, he was placed into a different program where there were no women.'

speculating -

Even if BK had progressed to trial we probably wouldn't have got answers on how his behaviour was - perhaps - accommodated rather than sanctioned and addressed in a meaningful way. What was on his record? and what wasn't included in references as he progressed through Higher Ed?

Attorney General in Idaho ought to be commissioning some kind of inquiry -to get his records - but I won't hold my breath.
Don't the parents have a right to know whether ticking time-bomb BK's issues were repeatedly brushed- off as he progressed through 3 or 4 educational organisations?
What if his increasing misogyny was set aside or ignored because the focus had been on supporting BK through his history of adversity - his weight, his drug problem, his special needs etc.

( BTW Both Dr Brucato and Dr Grande think that his autism diagnosis might later get overturned for something much more serious - by psychs in prison - although ofc they caveat that by saying obviously they've never been able to screen him )

Bryan Kohberger was moved away from female students, admi...

One of Kohberger's former friends, Jack Baylis, also spoke to Fox Nation about the case and the arrest, saying that Kohberger often was "frustrated" with women.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Chimera]

The first friend entering the house & protecting the rest of them from seeing what he did, just ensuring they called emergency services and said someone was unconscious but making sure nobody went inside is something I don’t think I’ll ever get over. What a selfless, respectful, tragically beautiful act for his friends in the face of such horror.

Beautifully stated, thank you. ^^^^

Also add in the extreme shock factor.
Some people would be unable to do anything.
Only my opinion.

 

[gremlin444]

What I think about with these kids is the time the police came over on a noise complaint and no one who lived in the home was there. In one way, that's such a joyful thing, for college kids to have a place to congregate. But how vulnerable it makes them.

Honestly, I've always doubted the veracity of the kids who talked to the police when they said none of the roommates were home. This is not to blame or shame the girls who lived in the house.

What I suspect was more likely was that the only roommates who were home were under 21, and they couldn't risk getting in trouble. So they "hid," and sent out friends who were over the age of 21 to talk to the police.

 

[gremlin444]

dbm

 

[al66pine]

Inquiry to get records re BK? Parents' Right to Know?

.... Even if BK had progressed to trial we probably wouldn't have got answers on how his behaviour was - perhaps - accommodated rather than sanctioned and addressed in a meaningful way. What was on his record? and what wasn't included in references as he progressed through Higher Ed?
Attorney General in Idaho ought to be commissioning some kind of inquiry -to get his records - but I won't hold my breath.
Don't the parents have a right to know whether ticking time-bomb BK's issues were repeatedly brushed- off as he progressed through 3 or 4 educational organisations?
What if his increasing misogyny was set aside or ignored because the focus had been on supporting BK through his history of adversity - his weight, his drug problem, his special needs etc....

@cottonweaver sbm bbm
I'm a bit puzzled about the ^ post. Maybe misunderstanding.

1. Under what authority would ID AG "commission a study" to secure Pennsylvania edu. institutions' records/documents re BK, either academic or behavioral?

2. Assuming ID. AG would receive & analyze/ have experts analyze these records, then do what w analysis?

3. "Don't the parents have a right to know..."
If referring to BK's parents, federal FERPA law "regulates access and disclosure of student education records. It grants parents access to their child's records... After a student turns 18, their consent is generally required for disclosure. The law... provides privacy rights to students 18 years or older, or those in post-secondary institutions..."* sbm

^ Waaay oversimplified.
IDK what info any of the Penn. edu. institutions provided to BK's parents.
(Won't speculate about that or about what BK's parents did or did not do or could have done.)

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the post.


* Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act - Wikipedia

 

[Megnut]

Honestly, I've always doubted the veracity of the kids who talked to the police when they said none of the roommates were home. This is not to blame or shame the girls who lived in the house.

What I suspect was more likely was that the only roommates who were home were under 21, and they couldn't risk getting in trouble. So they "hid," and sent out friends who were over the age of 21 to talk to the police.

Which sounds like any party house on/near any college campus, College City, State, USA. Past, present, future. And most everybody survives those antics, grows up and goes on to live good, decent lives...

On the early morning of 11/13/2022, if not for BK and his sinister agenda, XK would have inadvertently and unhappily, stirred some sleepy roommates, including the barking kind, with her 4 am DD delivery, all would be forgiven and as likely forgotten by late morning when everyone awakened, full lives ahead.

Maybe ten minutes of hard to process noise and it was over. I can see falling asleep in the hopes it was a nightmare of l'd wake up from, never once thinking it might be the nightmare it turned out to be.

JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Bbm.

Well, now BK gets to experience prison for himself !
Anything from now on that comes his way is of his own volition.
Make better choices, people.
Imo.

Yes he does! I don't think he was able to envision anything that might happen afterwards, I get the impression he can't picture the future, he needs the experience to know.
Now he gets to experience the justice system at his leisure. I hope he finds it wholly unsatisfactory!

 

[DizzyB]

Dominique Dunne came to mind for me. Ex-boyfriend stalked her.

Dominique Dunne’s abusive ex boyfriend strangled her for at least 3 minutes, according to the ME that testified. Yet he was only convicted of voluntary manslaughter. Spent 2 and a half years in prison, and went back to work as a chef. Dominick Dunne wrote an article called Justice: A Father’s Account of the Trial of His Daughter’s Killer.

JUSTICE: A Father's Account of the Trial of His Daughter's Killer | Vanity Fair

"By the time I arrived in Los Angeles at noon that Sunday, the report that Dominique had been strangled outside her home by her former boyfriend and was in a coma at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center was on all the news channels and stations."

archive.vanityfair.com

An incredible read. Dominique’s brother Griffin has also written from his perspective. Heartbreaking and maddening. I thought a lot about SG when rereading. The family was involved in plea bargain negotiations, and left out of negotiations. There was no justice served, and the family became advocates for justice for homicide victims.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah, I watched it this morning, and I was reserved about my expectations going in. When I saw Liz Garbus come up in the opening credits, I was more hopeful about it. I've found the quality of other productions she's been involved with that I've watched to be good, and this was no exception. The focus was where it should be - on the four deceased victims and the huge amount of living ones. It felt measured, respectful, and non sensationalist while not ignoring or downplaying the damage done by the rabid interest in the case by MSM, fringe media, and random members of the public. I can recommend it.

MOO

Yes, it truly gave the victims, their families, and friends their voices instead of the murderer. It humanized these bright young people in a way that all the sensationalistic articles and conspiracies on SM click baits haven't.

They weren't just the Idaho Four...they were Madison, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. They were daughters, a son, friends. Each had fun and funky personalities living their best lives and completely innocent. I enjoyed hearing from their close friends and from Maddie's and Ethan's family members. <it gutted me at times> .

I thought it was particularly poignant when Ethan's brother Hunter said he didn't and wouldn't talk to the Media despite them following and calling and hounding his family and him non stop following the event. He said they were the only one's who knew and cared enough about Ethan to share his story.

Maddie's Mother was powerfully poised, and spoke quietly but with great conviction.

I have nothing but respect for all the loved ones of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan and kudos to Amazon to present another side of the coin. I hope the murderer gets his just sentence and fades into the abyss of the penal system and forgotten.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Beautifully stated, thank you. ^^^^

Also add in the extreme shock factor.
Some people would be unable to do anything.
Only my opinion.

A very strong, fast thinking, and acting young man. I hope he is able to deal with the trauma of it all.I liked him (H) right away and his girlfriend (E) too.

The sister of Ethan (M) seems to be struggling so much . I am thankful she (and the others) are not going to have to sit through a long, emotionally damaging trial. We the public may have a want to know, but we do not have a right to know every single gruesome detail.

Lock the murderer up and throw away the key. He was no criminal genius, nothing special, just an evil person who took the lives of four innocent college students Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan. People say talk to him, study him...I think you couldn't believe one thing he would say regardless. He wants fame and attention feeding his ego, there's no genuine remorse in him, he's empty IMO.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944198686197600525

Despite the click-baity title, I was pleasantly surprised by how even toned and balanced that article actually was. Some good details, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing sensationalistic.

 

[Observer33]

Why did he select them?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Not sure what anyone thinks of the Tony Brueski show, but he had author Howard Blum (retired FBI special agent) on the podcast and think he has some sound theories and details giving insights into BK's thoughts and actions (and about his parents, the change in plea, early morning phone call, etc). I didn't know Kohberger in 2014 stole his sister's phone and his dad called the police cuz he'd had enough....

I believe this murderer gave his parents nothing but grief from an early age. They had the murderer later in life and being the only son, I think his father took most of the burden of the murderer's actions upon himself.

My heart goes out to the Kohberger family. They are victims too.

 

[LadyL]

I'm sure this was covered thoroughly in the threads but I had to give up 'catching up' on posts. Was there discussion of the murderer dyeing or highlighting his hair in prison? How would he have gotten permission to do that and also how would he have had access to a pair of scissors to trim his eyebrows? Do they have barbers in prison??

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm sure this was covered thoroughly in the threads but I had to give up 'catching up' on posts. Was there discussion of the murderer dyeing or highlighting his hair in prison? How would he have gotten permission to do that and also how would he have had access to a pair of scissors to trim his eyebrows? Do they have barbers in prison??

He did have access to a barber in jail through the Defense (like his fine suits and ties), he wasn't in prison yet.

I can see how his hair appeared much lighter as it was closely cropped to his head, which also made him appear younger verses a 30 year old man. He also changed his dressing from the serious business suits and ties to button down shirts and sometimes a tie.

A definite Defense strategy IMO.