GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[DizzyB]

Several times in the document dump, the witnesses describe what they thought was a firework. Any thoughts on what this could be?

(For citation's sake, most recent I've read this: "At around 0400 or 0420 hours, [she] heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her door" - File: Supp 89_Redacted, page 1)

I am wondering about that. Could BK have been wearing a headlamp or something? Did he go down the stairs to the first floor at some point? In one of the docs, a witness did say that the front door was open that morning. And the DoorDash driver had a lot of trouble with finding the house, and ultimately decided to leave it at the front door instead of going around the back of the house.

 

[MassGuy]

Firstly thank you so much to all of you posting throughout today's sentencing. You really brought the experience of "live court" here to these pages!

As detailed in the autopsy reports, Kaylee was stabbed 20 times and her face totally disfigured as she attempted to "kick his f'kn a55" in defence. Xana was then stabbed 50 times, also fighting back in her defence and he had by that time fatally wounded Maddie, Kaylee and Ethan too.. all in around 12 minutes! Imagine the frenzy of effort from him. Sorry to be graphic but well over 100 knife wounds delivered by a hard thrust, a battering of a face, 2 fights and he was out the door in just 12 minutes! It's kind of incomprehensible really isn't it! The adrenaline that powered all that must have been phenomenal.
I wish he had just keeled over with cardiac arrest at the scene as he made his exit tbh!

Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan, your families did you proud today, they made us all very proud too, what wonderful people! your angel wings must have been fluttering in glee.
Your families can be free of this monster forever now and hopefully begin to heal their grief! Rest in peace up there #Idaho4

This lends credence to that alleged theory that he sat down after the attacks. It also explains why he may not have attacked Dylan, although I'm leaning towards him believing police were on the way by the way he sped out of there.

 

[Vaderman]

Several times in the document dump, the witnesses describe what they thought was a firework. Any thoughts on what this could be?

(For citation's sake, most recent I've read this: "At around 0400 or 0420 hours, [she] heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her door" - File: Supp 89_Redacted, page 1)

Another reference:

"[She] said she woke up after falling asleep to hearing what she felt was a firecracker go off and she thought she saw a sparkler going off through the crack under her door"
-- File: Supp 90_Redacted, page 5

 

[AcerPacer]

This lends credence to that alleged theory that he sat down after the attacks. It also explains why he may not have attacked Dylan, although I'm leaning towards him believing police were on the way by the way he sped out of there.

Hopefully you'll find more in the reports regarding "sitting down" .. I'm guessing if anything it was a slump (whew..). Thank heavens he had no energy left for Dylan AND he thought police were en route probably!

Can I just say..what a horrible barsteward he is/was...he's banished now!

 

[Gemmie]

Another reference:

"[She] said she woke up after falling asleep to hearing what she felt was a firecracker go off and she thought she saw a sparkler going off through the crack under her door"
-- File: Supp 90_Redacted, page 5

Firecrackers are pretty loud. Especially if one is set off inside a house. That is just so odd to even contemplate what it was. But, whatever it was, could it have been whatever that vacuum looking thing was DM saw him carrying as he walked past?

 

[Vaderman]

Firecrackers are pretty loud. Especially if one is set off inside a house. That is just so odd to even contemplate what it was. But, whatever it was, could it have been whatever that vacuum looking thing was DM saw him carrying as he walked past?

I wish I would have noted it earlier when I read through it, but my impression was that what she saw him carrying was the knife. My recollection only, but it was described as triangular, or spade like, something to that effect.

 

[justtrish]

A couple of posters on the last thread don't understand why Kohlberger wasn't forced to reveal the location of the knife. Why??? Once he pled guilty, it was no longer necessary to establish his guilt. We know that it was his DNA on the knife sheath. Clearly he ditched the knife. Who cares where it is?

I was one of those who mentioned it.

I think it would serve a few purposes. It forces him to admit not just saying yes, I did it but proving it. He wanted that knife hidden. Why not force him to reveal where he put it so LE could get custody of it. It's out there somewhere for someone to find. Same reason LE likes to recover guns used in crimes. If they could get the location of bloody clothing, why not? You ask why and who cares, but to that I say why not? Why leave evidence out there if he could have been required to disclose the location. That is something factual that could have been revealed.

It also would remove any chance that he could claim he confessed because he was pressured or if he tries to say he really didn't do it. If he revealed where the knife is, there is then zero doubt for others to say he didn't do it. Only the killer knows the location of the knife.

Often in plea agreements they require location of evidence, a body, a weapon or something that LE doesn't have.

 

[DizzyB]

I wish I would have noted it earlier when I read through it, but my impression was that what she saw him carrying was the knife. My recollection only, but it was described as triangular, or spade like, something to that effect.

“Arrow” shaped.

 

[gremlin444]

Good catch, I completed glossed over the asphyxiation part. It does seem like that may have been when the sheath was dropped and forgotten.

What the Coroner Told Kaylee Goncalves’ Parents About How She Died: Like 'a Drowning'

Weeks after Bryan Kohberger pleaded guilty to the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students, Kaylee Goncalves’ parents are sharing what the coroner told them about the heartbreaking details of how their daughter died.

people.com

“She had definitely been stabbed multiple times and they kind of described it as a drowning that can occur," Steve says. "But she did say gagging; [Kohberger] struck her in the face.”

Kristi adds that Kaylee had a broken nose, septal hematomas, asphyxial injuries and defense wounds on her arms.

So...the medical definition of asphyxiation doesn't just mean being smothered by an external force (someone's hand, a pillow, etc). Asphyxiation is when you don’t get enough oxygen in your body. It can be caused by allergic reactions, drowning and foreign objects blocking your airway.

There was another interview with Steve where he talked about how the coroner explained the marks around Kaylee's mouth were like BK shoved part of his hand into her mouth to muffle her while he was attacking (like the side of his hand as opposed to covering her mouth with his palm or an object.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-victim-gagged/

So, essentially, with her broken nose, facial injuries, stab to the lung....part of her death was attributable to her drowning in her own blood.

 

[gremlin444]

I apologize for being morbid, but I can not figure out how the killer didn't cut/slice his own hand?

The ka-bar has a big knife shield between the hand and the blade--it is designed to protect the wielder's hand from getting cut by the blade. The handle was also designed to be able to keep a firm grip on it even when it is bloody. And he was likely also wearing gloves the entire time.

 

[justtrish]

Another reference:

"[She] said she woke up after falling asleep to hearing what she felt was a firecracker go off and she thought she saw a sparkler going off through the crack under her door"
-- File: Supp 90_Redacted, page 5

A flash bang maybe?

I am assuming LE would be able to tell if this were the case though with evidence left behind, but it would produce a bright light and loud bang. It's used to disorient people. I doubt this is what he used, but maybe there are similar devices that just produce a bright light and sound without an explosive like action.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948194724428542086

 

[whirrledpeas]

Yes, I know. I even watched the Brian Entin one.

I'm not sure why you responded to my post on "Hell is other people" with this statement?? I was responding to somebody else's post. You say yourself "most likely" which doesn't rule out the possibility that BK could be in with somebody else, and certainly doesn't mean some of us can't wish it on him.
JMO

I may have replied to the wrong post/quote. My apologies.

 

[Vaderman]

“Arrow” shaped.

Yes, thank you so much!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I was one of those who mentioned it.

I think it would serve a few purposes. It forces him to admit not just saying yes, I did it but proving it. He wanted that knife hidden. Why not force him to reveal where he put it so LE could get custody of it. It's out there somewhere for someone to find. Same reason LE likes to recover guns used in crimes. If they could get the location of bloody clothing, why not? You ask why and who cares, but to that I say why not? Why leave evidence out there if he could have been required to disclose the location. That is something factual that could have been revealed.

It also would remove any chance that he could claim he confessed because he was pressured or if he tries to say he really didn't do it. If he revealed where the knife is, there is then zero doubt for others to say he didn't do it. Only the killer knows the location of the knife.

Often in plea agreements they require location of evidence, a body, a weapon or something that LE doesn't have.

I think the prosecution felt that they didn't need any of that stuff (for lack of a better word) to convict him. They had the knife sheath with DNA which they could tie to BK, and they had the purchase of the Ka-bar and sheath tied to BK. So while of course they wanted the murder weapon, it wasn't necessary for the conviction. They could link him to the murder weapon at the crime scene.

The law doesn't require anyone to incriminate themselves. No one can force him to tell anything about the crime. He pleaded guilty simply because they had no defense--no alibi, no alternate suspect, no way to explain away the knife sheath and DNA, no way to explain all the trips to King Road, no way to explain his presence in his car at the time of the murders.

Remember that this wasn't a plea bargain. He did not plead to a lesser offense. He pleaded guilty to what the state had charged, all 5 counts. What the prosecution got was the killer admitting what he did, in court, and consecutive LWOP sentences with an agreement not to appeal. He has already said, in court, that his guilty plea is voluntary and not coerced. He signed the plea deal and said in open court that he murdered each of them. Nothing further is needed, although of course, most of us would like to know the answers to many questions.

 

[Vaderman]

A flash bang maybe?

I am assuming LE would be able to tell if this were the case though with evidence left behind, but it would produce a bright light and loud bang. It's used to disorient people. I doubt this is what he used, but maybe there are similar devices that just produce a bright light and sound without an explosive like action.

This was my supposition as well, but I was surprised this is the first it's been mentioned.

 

[twall]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948194724428542086

He is at IMSI in Kuna. I looked it up on VINELink

 

[DizzyB]

Supp 194 is interesting.

 

[Arkay]

I tried to watch a snippet of the live sentencing while in my father’s hospital room, but there was just too much going on for me to be able to pay attention.

As I knew yesterday, all my wonderful Websleuths peeps would be here to fill in those of us who couldn’t watch in real time.

And boy oh boy, did Websleuthers come through! I have nearly 70 pages of catching up to do between the last thread and this one.

It’ll take me awhile with both parents sick down here, but I’m eager to read everything. I did hear something about my wonderful Judge Hippler being emotional.

I also heard, as many of us expected, that Bryan remained stone-faced throughout.

I assumed nothing else but that outcome.

IMO this creature lives in a different dimension from us. He was never going to break down in tears of sorrow and repentance.

I feel for his parents and naturally for all the families.

I probably won’t catch up until I’m back in NYC, but likes and loves and respect and thanks to my fellow posters.

 

[Seattle1]

It was rude when Thompson said that making a decision about the plea wasn’t about a popularity contest. It seems like he wanted to vindicate himself and I think that he cowardly used that time to do so. It wasn’t the time or place for him to defend himself.

He said that he informed each family of it but the Goncalves said he didn’t?

During the plea agreement hearing, it was reported by King5 (Joyce Taylor), who was present with the Chapin family in Mount Vernon, WA when Thompson's EMAIL arrived, Thompson notified the families of the plea agreement by two separate letters/emails:

The first email notified them that the defense contacted the State and wanted to discuss BK pleading guilty in exchange for LWOP, and the terms of the State's plea agreement, and the second email notified them that BK accepted the State's offer, and the hearing was scheduled for Weds, July 2.

So, with regards to not being contacted in person, the SG family would be correct.

Please reference Media thread- post #737.