GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Sundog]

He is a cop wannabe- back in the day all the cop wannabe guys had police scanner radios.
Did he have a scanner app? We know LE was called there due to loud parties. This could be how this particular house first grabbed his interest?
Peeking through windows without blinds in the wee hours.
Grabbing trashed mail would give hints as to who lived there.
Online pics of House for Rent could have given him the floor plan.

If he was trying to carry out murders in Ted Bundy style, social media may not have played a part.
We know it was a dead end- no through traffic- so he didn’t get lost there 20+ times. He was scoping it out for some time.

IMO

The scanner is a possibility in how BK focused on the King Road house, but it's also possible that he just heard about that being a well-known party house and at some point he checked it out, perhaps even when a party was underway.

In small college towns, you quickly learn about the well-known party houses near campus, from talking to your student peers - although mostly undergraduate, some people would be surprised to see how many single, male graduate students gravitate to these parties and events as well.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948422904984818054

 

[AngTxGal]

Emphasis mine.
"Ditto" to the bolded !
I could not physically touch a perp who had committed such crimes.
Never.
As if their very being was contaminated, and might rub some skin cells off onto me.

Strange as how before the murders, I wouldn't have thought anything of BK.
Just a very average person and really a non-entity that most people wouldn't notice.
Imo.

Agree, but I didn’t choose to be a defense attorney.
No way I could stomach being within ten feet of a creep, knowing what they had done, without skin crawl and nausea setting in. My guess is had to make herself feel safe- kept one eye on him and one on the guards, visually checked his shackles pretty often, always made a plan of escape, and took a shower every time she returned from being around him. How could you not?

I can’t quite tell what I would have thought of him. I need more clips of him interacting with people, to see how socially awkward he was, or if he seemed creepy.
From the footage of his interaction with the female cop- I thought he was quite the . She handled that well, was calm, didn’t get flustered while he did.
He does not strike me as someone who is comfortable in their skin- no Ted Bundy.
Creep vibes- as per the students. He didn’t blend well, not as confident as he thinks he appears.

The no fear tone of Olivia’s statement got to him. That confident mask faltered- he was fidgeting, sweating, swallowing. To me- that spoke volumes. It is the stuff of his nightmares- a strong woman who is attractive, confident in their own skin, and sees right through him. He will replay that statement over and over and over in his head. Olivia’s words will now take up rent free space.
That fact is quite entertaining to my morbid self, as a sense of justice I had not expected to feel.

IMO

 

[Boxer]

And he doesn't even have to do anything actively to do this, tbh. Just like BK was drawn to Elliot Rodgers' story and actions, others will be inspired by BK regardless of what he does or doesn't do in prison.

Is the page 118 confirmed?

 

[LAborn]

Is the page 118 confirmed?

Sorry, I'm not up to date. Is pg 118 from a book or document? I was speculating on who BK may have been studying or influenced by, I personally have only read that Ted Bundy was of interest via his school program, and a computer search. Not sure about Rodgers.

 

[AngTxGal]

The scanner is a possibility in how BK focused on the King Road house, but it's also possible that he just heard about that being a well-known party house and at some point he checked it out, perhaps even when a party was underway.

In small college towns, you quickly learn about the well-known party houses near campus, from talking to your student peers - although mostly undergraduate, some people would be surprised to see how many single, male graduate students gravitate to these parties and events as well.

Absolutely- he could have heard his own students talking about a party house- he was a TA.
But party houses are pretty easy to find when you get close.
Cars parked this way and that filling lots and street
People walking all around
Furniture outside
Smells from grills
Loud music
Outside lights
Trash cans overflowing throughout the weekend

Tons of fun when you are that age!

IMO

 

[Diddian]

My understanding is Maddie's room and window were easily viewed from outside/the street. She had things in her window indicating her name. If he was stalking for awhile, he would know that Kaylee had moved out.

I agree.

And the circling of the nearby streets, at the adjacent apartments (with the high vantage point to watch the house from behind), just a block away (to see the house past others to the west of it), and then a full circle around the surrounding neighborhood, indicated that he had visited the area to watch THAT house enough times to be familiar with where to stop to get a good vantage point from which to see what was going on (such as Door Dash driver coming/going).

He was like a cat outside a mouse hole.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I watched this all the way through. Good, expert guests. I'm not one for watching YouTube shows but I was looking for anyone mentioning the black heart. I thought yesterday maybe I had overreacted about AT and the others at the defense table. Joel said that something "he" wanted to bring in was contraband and AT made a copy of it so she not only allowed the black heart, she facilitated it. Or that's what I though I heard.

There's also a body language analysis of "him" during the victim impact statements by that psychologist--Dr. G. That was interesting because he was looking at eye blink rate, heavy breathing, head nods and that movement of half the mouth that signals contempt. I'm not expert, but contempt seemed to be his emotion of the day.

As for the rest of the defense table, I don't expect the defense attorneys to get emotional, even though the judge and the prosecution side were visibly and audibly moved at times. And perhaps looking the victims in the eye is beyond them because of the need to control emotions. But to sit with downcast eyes (AT) or sit with what appears to many people with a smirk (whoever that lawyer is), without acknowledging that people were speaking in the room is rude and unprofessional. I'm quite certain AT could have held it together if she had been given the opportunity to gut DM or BF in a cross examination. Guarantee she could face those traumatized girls with dry eyes in that context. For a hot minute there, I was convinced that this is how defense attorneys behave. This video showed me I was right in the first place, and the presence of that black heart on the table suggest something is way off with that team.

So, if I’m interpreting this right, BK had an actual object that looked like the photo on the table. A stain glass or ceramic something. He wanted to bring that into the courtroom with him but it was deemed contraband so AT xeroxed a copy for him.
Oh my gosh! How can she possibly be blind enough to not realize how that would be interpreted and how disrespectful it was!
BK was big boy enough to slaughter four people in 15 minutes, he doesn’t need a “teddy bear” to get him through sentencing.
I’ve given AT a lot of passes due to her being a defense attorney, but no more. Unforgivable.

 

[Diddian]

We probably haven't heard the last of him, unfortunately. He'll probably make himself available for interviews with media, etc. He's a narcissist and probably wants to tell his own "story" in his own way.

Those kind of guys always look much better in their own minds than they do to anyone observing them.

I'd just like to see every attempt at telling his "story" in his own way bookended by Alivea's victim impact statement at one end and Judge Hippler's words before imposing sentence at the other.

[Decent society] [lying, shortcutting loser who got caught and will die in prison] [Decent society].

 

[Seattle1]

Witnesses, plural? Someone other than DM?
Yeah I had seen this and pondered what it could be. A firework noise and spark description- hmm
A striker? Did BK bring a magnesium rod and hit it with his knife? It would make a noise, cause a spark, and also fling a spark over a distance. Two hands required. Cigarette lighter may sound a look the same as a spark and firework- but it can’t shoot a spark to the floor.

A flashlight with a toggled on and off- uses one handed. You can shine the beam of light on the floor- and DM saw where it hit the floor from under the door?

IMO

Confirming two witnesses:

The newly-unsealed documents reveal for the first time that Funke also heard something unusual inside the home at the time.

The then-19-year-old had told officers she was woken by a sound she described as a firecracker and a flash.

She initially thought it was 'a prank,' the documents show.

Mortensen ultimately ran down to Funke’s room where the two survivors stayed until daylight.

Just before midday - still unable to contact the four victims - they called friends round to the home and the bloodbath was discovered.

Two Witnesses

 

[arielilane]

Bethany Funke, surviving roommate​

​

“I have not slept through a single night since this happened. I constantly wake up in panics, terrified someone is breaking in or someone is here to hurt me, or I’m about to lose someone else that I love,” Funke said in a statement read by a friend. “For a long time, I could barely get out of bed. But one day, I realized I have to live for them.”

Dylan Mortensen, surviving roommate​

“Sometimes I drop to the floor with my heart racing, convinced something is very wrong. It’s far beyond anxiety. It’s my body reliving everything over and over again,” she said. “He may have taken so much from me, but he will never get to take my voice. He will never take the memories I have of them.”

In their words: Families of slain students share emotions at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing

Families of the four students stabbed to death in a home near the University of Idaho campus shared emotional statements during the defendant's sentencing.

apnews.com

Jul 24

 

[cottonweaver]

@Warwick regarding links between BK's use of SM stalking and women he had an interest in

Banfield says that one of the new MPD documents shows that BK had SM photos of a female student on his phone, one he used to try & sit close to in class.
This woman says she didn't even realise until she saw herself on the Dateline episode!
( No idea why cops didn't image search her & then call her. Did he have pix of too many women?)

At 12 mins in this show

ETA
supp 312

 

[SteveP]

We probably haven't heard the last of him, unfortunately. He'll probably make himself available for interviews with media, etc. He's a narcissist and probably wants to tell his own "story" in his own way.

... and my question is, why would anyone believe anything that comes out of his mouth? I am pretty sure that, at some point, he will make himself available for interviews, and, as much as a part of me hopes he does, a bigger part of me hopes that no one takes him up on any offer.

As Judge Hippler stated yesterday, at sentencing, "We are now certain who committed these unspeakable acts of evil. But what we don't know, and what we may never know is why. I share the desire, expressed by others, to understand the why. But upon reflection, it seems to me, and this is just my own opinion, that by continuing to focus on why, we continue to give Mr Kohberger relevance. We give him agency, and we give him power. In my view, the time has now come to end Mr Kohberger's 15 minutes of fame. It's time that he be consigned to the ignominy and isolation of perpetual incarceration".

Amen Judge Hippler, amen! And thank you for guiding this case with the highest level of fairness and wisdom. You, like so many others we have come to know here, will never be forgotten. JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Yup - that’s where I sit as well.

I am reminded of The Gift of Fear, hearing about the noises, the open door, someone watching from above. All those little things that make you pause and then you feel something in the pit of your stomach. The girls were a bit on edge but probably just shook it off as being silly but Dylan was worried and so was Kaylee.

Yup, he was out there, watching, thinking, planning.

The house worked for him. He honed in.

We will never know if digitally he was watching as well. Just because he scrubbed his computer clean doesn’t mean a link wasn’t there. We’ll just never know.

Yesterday was a very emotional day for so many. I was spent when it was over.

I’ll be happy to never see his face, or speak his name ever again, until they take him out in a pine box. Then I’ll hold a toast to Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan. They will always be remembered.

MOO

I had this same reaction reading the documents about the girls (not just Kaylee) seeing someone shadowy watching them from above and about Murphy barking and not coming back as he always did when called. When we think about stalking today, we often think about cyber-stalking (as on Instagram) or a person being a visible lurker. (This may be why people didn't understand when Kaylee talked about a stalker; she may have meant this shadow presence that she felt watching her and the others). One way the Loser stalked the victims was the constant driving around the area. But he may have done some old fashioned lurking in the shadows.

Years ago, I read a thriller novel--no recall of author or title--where in the first chapters, a mother was driving home and felt sick, thought she was getting a cold or flu, and thought about vitamins. The narration implied that her body was picking up on the approaching danger of a home invader. It was, of course, fiction. But as Gavin DeBecker tells us, we've gotten far away from the instincts that tell us when we're in danger. I think of Xana feeling sick. Of Kaylee and Maddie texting Jack over and over in the middle of the night, when Maddie never texted him. And then people wondered why Dylan and Bethany hunkered down together and even at nearly noon wouldn't come out until others came to the house. We're so darn civilized that we don't recognize the same instinct in that makes a rabbit stay frozen in the hedge. Remember that BK came back to the scene in the morning before the bodies were found. Dylan and Bethany were smart to stay behind a locked door.

Just my opinion and maybe a far out one.

 

[AngTxGal]

I watched this all the way through. Good, expert guests. I'm not one for watching YouTube shows but I was looking for anyone mentioning the black heart. I thought yesterday maybe I had overreacted about AT and the

…

and the presence of that black heart on the table suggest something is way off with that team.

The black heart to me was him trying to show he felt nothing, had control, was not impacted by emotion and was generally bored and unimpressed by the victim impact statements.
It came across to me like a rebellious child
I don’t have to be a body language expert to know he was impacted when Steve and Olivia and Xana’s uncle spoke. It was clear he sweated, swallowed, fidgeted in his chair.
I think he turned a bit red when the judge spoke about him.

The black heart was just a juvenile way to gain the stage back after their statements, IMO.

If I could have had only one wish- it would have been for Olivia to have spoken last!
IMO

 

[Gemmie]

The then-19-year-old had told officers she was woken by a sound she described as a firecracker and a flash.

She initially thought it was 'a prank,' the documents show.

Two Witnesses

SBMFF

Why in the world would BK let off a firecracker? It's not only an odd thing to do inside a house, but that means he was juggling multiple items. A K-Bar, firecracker, and a lighter. What was his purpose for making a loud noise? Could it have been to flush out more people to see if doors opened and ran out into the hall? It's just such an odd fact. I can't wrap my head around it.

 

[seasideForest]

As Judge Hippler stated yesterday, "We are now certain who committed these unspeakable acts of evil. But what we don't know, and what we may never know is why. I share the desire, expressed by others, to understand the why. But upon reflection, it seems to me, and this is just my own opinion, that by continuing to focus on why, we continue to give Mr Kohberger relevance. We give him agency, and we give him power. In my view, the time has now come to end Mr Kohberger's 15 minutes of fame. It's time that he be consigned to the ignominy and isolation of perpetual incarceration".

BBM

Amen.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I just had this thought…do you think all those times he drove around and past the King Street house he was also driving by other houses in that loop also. Like, he had multiple possible target houses he was watching over time, before deciding on the one, that night.
Just wondering.

The Ward/Patterson book describes other nearby student housing where their friends lived. and Ethan's frat house overlooked the 1122 King Road house. People seem to walk between these housing units the way college students walk on campus. So I think this AREA was a hunting ground and this house had everything The Loser wanted--a high perch to observe, access and parking in the dark, little or no security, and women. I'm back to thinking he stalked the house but new, for sure, he would find a blond victim on the top floor. But I don't think he went to all this trouble just for one killing. MOO.

 

[GoJacks]

is there more documents being released today?

 

[joe jones]

BK would make every effort to not leave traces of stalking, etc.--criminology background and all. He went directly to the 3rd floor, Maddie's room. Others have said that the interior of the house is not intuitive, the way the stairs are. Maybe he found plans of the house layout, or maybe had been inside before, undetected. Based on his OCD I would imagine he planned which person and which house weeks or even months before. Sounds like he is a germaphobe too, sort of surprised he would feel comfortable committing a crime like this at all.

We do not know what he did in the house, he could have wandered through kitchen into living room, he could have gone in all the upstairs rooms before he found Maddie and Kayleigh, the only person who knows what he did that night is him. The two surviving roommates were drunk, terrified and have given many different interpretation of what they heard and what they remember from that night,
I for one after reading the documents am utterly amazed that BK was not seen by many people that night, many students would have been wandering home from parties, the door dash driver and he were feet from each other at some points going by the times,
The housemates had barely gone to bed if we piece together how they were up and down the stairs in and out of each others rooms, taking the dog outside,
It amazes me that he got on and out with only Dylan seeing him one time, and being caught on cameras,
And he for sure is no criminal mastermind, he had no idea who would be in that house that night, he wasn't there when the students arrived home, for whatever reasons he has and IMO there can be many reasons why someone chooses to murder he chose that house, anybody with an ounce of common sense would not have chosen that house, but he did. and unless he talks and says he chose a victim/s to target I will firmly believe he chose the house, he may have known who lived there and they being female were his choice of victim (who knows if he even knew of Ethan) but that night. he wouldn't have known who was present in the home, and in what room they would be in,
I don't think he will ever reveal anything to the public, but he will enjoy speaking to behavioural scientists, profilers, academics, people who he thinks are his equal, but what he tells them will not be revealed to the public