GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[soap mama]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948827614207938815

"That is crucial to the case,
because if Kohberger did in fact chase after Kernodle,
it would explain why he might have left behind the biggest piece of evidence in the case
— his KA-BAR knife sheath.

The struggle between the two
caused enough of a 'commotion'
to get the attention of Mortensen,
who then opened her door to check on her roommates
and instead saw Kohberger as he exited the residence,
making her the lone eyewitness in the case."

This article is horrible

BK had scratches weeks before the murders and he did NOT take xanas DD, there were pics of it on the kitchen counter.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Thank you for linking.
Disregard my comment as mine was based on reporting not supps.

Murphy may have been outside at some point. The trick is how he ended up in Kaylee's room without blood on him.

 

[LAborn]

Watching the Peacock documentary, and they briefly showed a post BK made in a "visual snow" group. I found graphics of them, and find them pretty telling. Looks like from 2011 when he was 17? They've probably been posted here before, but might be interesting to revisit. There are 4. There's more details in the documentary at around the 36 min. mark (Angenette Levy narrates some of his posts). Also, possible relevance, when he started to lose weight he started boxing, so may be an aspect of the blunt force trauma on Kaylee.

 

[soap mama]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948149163348082736

What do these 2 letters on his orange prison uniform mean?

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He looks very thin, especially his arms IMO.

I assume the size - Large

 

[soap mama]

OMG. He took the food? Unbelievable.

I would say no, the bag was photographed in crime scene photos, in the kitchen

 

[soap mama]

L for Large.

Even though he is small in every way.

LMO

Wannabe Large lol

 

[soap mama]

with all his food/vegan rules, i'm surprised he would do that. maybe he just grabbed that bag to put the bloody knife in?

The bag was photographed by LE, <modsnip>

 

[AngTxGal]

While I respect your opinions, when people do monstrous things, they earn the title "monster". Trying to figure out why they did it, those mitigating factors, is all well and good for posterity but it doesn't ever redeem, rename them or their actions. They're still evil because they chose to be. Thank God he can never harm anyone again. AJMO

I wasn’t intending to say he wasn’t a monster, nor was I trying to redeem him, or make excuses to absolve him of guilt. I’m not saying he isn’t evil.
What I’m saying is that all of those quantities are human qualities. He is a human monster.

As soon as a person is accused of doing terrible things they are dehumanized by being called monsters. Everyone seems to have seen red flags. Often times there were no red flags- they did odd things that other odd people do.
Some describe their faces as looking evil, when I see people. There are human monsters that are physically attractive- handsome, pretty even.
If I saw BK on the street and walked past him- I would not see monster. I would see socially awkward young man who is not comfortable in his skin.
We humans have an innate need to look into those faces and see monsters- maybe we think we will notice them in our lives and that will keep us safe?
Sometimes they become the Other and not Us. A lot of terrible things have been done to people who are called Others, after being dehumanized.

If I look into the faces of murderers, I detest the actions, hate the pain and suffering they have caused other people, hate them for the choices they made and the fear they cause in me.
But I see them as people, they are human and also monsters.
I do not believe people are born evil. I think human monsters are created, either by mental illness, brain damage, society, their own obsessions, choices, or influences.
Did anyone know early on BK was going to murder people. I don’t think so- but was he troubled?
Babies are not born evil. Children are not born evil. What happens to them?

Can I hate the monster and in theory believe he deserves the pain he has caused his victims, and still see him as a person? Yes
But I would never physically attack him, or find joy in seeing him in physical pain or being tortured. No, I would feel empathy, I would want to defend him. I’m not a monster.

I feel like he is a waste of a young human life that had so much potential. And he took out three other young human lives that had so much potential.
But, he isn’t a non-human animal, supernatural, our imagination, a boogeyman, or an alien.
He is actually a 30 yr old man, who brutally killed four people, a human monster.

Only my opinions, trying to understand.
If we can understand, then maybe we can notice them, make ourselves feel safe, help the ones we come across when they are young? Fill the gaps, prevent the monster?
If we can’t learn from this- and try to prevent it- what a lot of wasted suffering and loss of five lives.

IMO

 

[Spiderplant]

It is interesting though...especially the last bit about his mother's op-ed.

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]Bryan Kohberger allegedly searched online for Ted Bundy as well as depicting nonconsensual sex in the weeks before and after four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death at an off-campus home, according to a report from NBC News, which cites police documents.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]The network reports that Kohberger allegedly searched for with the keywords "forced," "passed out," "drugged," and "sleeping."
(...)
The Bundy search could have been related to Kohberger's role as a teacher's assistant in an introductory-level criminology class, a job he held both before and after the murders.
It could also have been a way for him to find the op-ed his mother wrote about the serial killer in 1999, which later went viral after her son's arrest."

Bryan Kohberger Searched Online for Ted Bundy and Nonconsensual Pornography in Weeks Surrounding Idaho Murders: Report

These new details from police were reported by NBC News, along with video and images of a car similar to Kohberger's seen driving in the neighborhood that night.

people.com

[/COLOR]

This is as grotesque as his sisters acting role and the possible/probably influence this had on him. So this report says BK mother wrote a document about serial killer in 1999. Urgh he is revolting.

It’s like he was trying to be the subject of his families lives and experiences in the sickest twisted way.

 

[femto]

It said in that article that responder said both girls were unrecognizable. I don't think we can fathom the destruction he did yet, without more info. It's just chilling to think about.

I believe he chased Xana to her bedroom. He could have fled after being spotted. He wanted to make sure she didn't call 911. AJMO

I don't know what article you're referring to. In the documents themselves it says that only Kaylee's face is unrecognizable. As far as him fleeing, that would have been impossible if Xana was into his way. Yes, he could have just ran away, but in his flight or fight response he chose to fight his way out of it.

 

[Kudzuu]

Murphy likely stayed away from the odor. He stayed in his safe place, Kaylee's room. He may have gone outside to bark and retreated back to his room.

Murphy has been socialized and was used to being around people. He obviously wasn't a one person dog who are very often protectors. I had giant schnauzer for protection. He did not bark he would put his body between the stranger and me or if the person approached to closely he reared and put his feet on their shoulders until they backed away. Luckily it happened rarely and the men always backed away in submission

 

[AngTxGal]

Anyway, moving on to the crime scene in Maddie's room wrt to extent KG fought & context of his frenzy, I was puzzled to see very few MPD comments on blood spatter on walls & ceilings in MM's room . maybe she didn't even have chance to raise herself from the bed.

thoughts?
I could only find bedroom door and one wall showing ' blood cast-off ' in MM's room

Maybe ISP's team found more than MPD and it's in ISP records?

I wonder if there are other documents related to blood spatter and other evidence and tests.
There will be crime scene photos.
Don’t you remember those that came out in the media- with something dripping down the cabinets in the kitchen? Now we know that likely wasn’t blood.

I also remember that they did a 3D scan of that entire house, all of the rooms.

IMO

 

[schooling]

I don't know what article you're referring to. In the documents themselves it says that only Kaylee's face is unrecognizable. As far as him fleeing, that would have been impossible if Xana was into his way. Yes, he could have just ran away, but in his flight or fight response he chose to fight his way out of it.

Xana wasn’t in his way. Xana could call the police who could get in his way.

By all indications (IMO) he chased her back to the safety of her room (and Ethan and her Phone) and attacked or continued attacking her. She was brave enough to fight back. JMO

What Kaylee and Xana appeared to do was courageous enough. But I’ve never seen it suggested that Xana faced him down and actively prevented him from leaving.

MOO

 

[AngTxGal]

great post. recently I've wondered if, in some twisted way, he wanted to get caught? or if not that, is at least relieved that he doesn't have to operate in a society he doesn't fit in with. maybe i'm stating this badly, but after reading his thoughts about himself (can't remember if it was a journal/diary or other, the one where he says he feels bad about how he treats his parents). struggling to fit in can be exhausting, now his whole life will be dictated by the prison system. yes, I know he did things that indicated he wanted to avoid capture, and he has not cooperated with police interviews. but maybe, if life had been so unbearable for him for so long, he is just relieved to have it taken out of his hands. just my rambling thoughts.

Great thoughts, I felt the same way.
I don’t see him capable of being on the run, carrying out random killings and hiding in plain sight.
He just isn’t that relationship capable. That is not the part of the game he liked.

I also wonder what mental toll it took on him afterward- from Nov 12 to Dec 30 when he was arrested. He was watching every move, paranoid even.
That lack of control may have driven him mad. He may have been very relieved to be caught.

If he is a person who likes structure, predictability, schedules, and is a minimalist, likes to read, enjoys learning new things in books, and is uncomfortable around women, then yes- a men’s prison may be a good fit. How bizarre is that?!
But- I’m guessing the social structure in prisons is not one you can choose to avoid? I don’t know for sure.

IMO

 

[soap mama]

RE blood splatter. Xana fought in an open space, hence cast off blood.
The other three were in bed and it was pooling, their movements were restricted and not the wild scene that unfolded with Xana

 

[sunshineray]

This is as grotesque as his sisters acting role and the possible/probably influence this had on him. So this report says BK mother wrote a document about serial killer in 1999. Urgh he is revolting.

It’s like he was trying to be the subject of his families lives and experiences in the sickest twisted way.

That's certainly a possibility, IMO

 

[whowy]

Thanks for posting this! I am in and out of the Idaho threads as almost impossible to keep up with it all.

BK heard someone calling out about noise while he was in the house. He likely knew at least another person or more were there if he new if wasn't Xana that yelled out. Not sure on that, maybe he thought Xana was the one who yelled out.

Perhaps he was ready to leave the house because of exhaustion. Did he spark something up to lure others out of their rooms? Or did he prep himself and spark up a stun gun or other weapon in case another persona came out of the room to surprise him?

Doesn't make sense to me really either to use something like that if he had a knife, but maybe he was feeling weak in the arm or tired. Thinking out loud, still unsure what it was... JMO MOO

ETA: I'm starting to veer towards a stun granade/flash bang type thing after looking up stuff online

If he was exiting the King Rd house holding a stun gun/ taser type of device in his hand, and the knife sheath was still on the bed - wonder how he got the very bloody knife out of the house - would he risk having both hands occupied while still inside?

 

[sunshineray]

I don't know what article you're referring to. In the documents themselves it says that only Kaylee's face is unrecognizable. As far as him fleeing, that would have been impossible if Xana was into his way. Yes, he could have just ran away, but in his flight or fight response he chose to fight his way out of it.

Whoops my bad, I linked the wrong thing. It was in this. It could mean Xana too.

"Some of the victims, who were stabbed multiple times, were covered in so much blood, officers responding to the home at first were not able to sort out what their additional injuries there might be. Their faces were so badly damaged as to be unrecognizable, according to the police report."

New Idaho college murders documents show some victims were 'unrecognizable,' fought back in 'intense struggle'

First set of police records released in Idaho college murders, revealing gruesome new details.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Boxer]

Totally. Stalking, peeping, burglary and Hot Prowling.

And, MOO he was very good at it.
He built up to murder. And it all went sideways because of KG.

 

[Spiderplant]

Watching the Peacock documentary, and they briefly showed a post BK made in a "visual snow" group. I found graphics of them, and find them pretty telling. Looks like from 2011 when he was 17? They've probably been posted here before, but might be interesting to revisit. There are 4. There's more details in the documentary at around the 36 min. mark (Angenette Levy narrates some of his posts). Also, possible relevance, when he started to lose weight he started boxing, so may be an aspect of the blunt force trauma on Kaylee.

These make my blood run cold. Feel like he has been living with this darkness and I think this horror was probably one of the ‘ten things’ that consumed him.
The reference to bloody screams.

It shows that whilst even he recognises he is non human and devoid of emotion or feeling- at that time at least is somewhat pleasing. That he was able to recognise that isn’t a normal way to be.

I feel more now that he will end up in a torment of his own making I think he lived so long devoid of others emotions but seemingly his own was his own nemesis, shut in a cell, I suspect the visual snow will worsen and I think he will make any attempt he can to end this self made torture.