GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Megnut]

For those who think he wouldn't have been arrested had he not left the sheath, crimes have been solved for ages without (prior to) DNA analysis.

LE still had an eyewitness in DM. A timeline, well corroborated. An Elantra, within a year range.

Without the promise of DNA, LE would have appealed to the public. Would have offered a profile. Pretty sure @10ofRods long predicted someone just like the felon proved to be.

I think students and faculty at WSU would have tipped him in plenty if LE made direct appeals. Changes in habits. Changes in appearance. Changes in attendance. Injuries. Elantra. Height, build, maybe even brybrows, depending on the level of help LE felt they needed.

Would it have been enough to convict? I think so. Because eventually they'd have gotten into his computers, his background, his Google searches, his Amazon purchases.

The only question, whether they would have gotten to him before he struck again.

JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Video is really really disturbing with this degree of audio clarity.

MOO There's a sound before Murphy starts actively barking. I wonder if the felon shoved or kicked him. MOO

He thinks the female voice says, "who are you? Get out." But he admits it's all but impossible to be sure. Still, it's chilling.

GH has him entering that house possibly closer to 4:15. It fits with what we've learned IMO.

Fast, fast terror of destruction.

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

 

[Gemmie]

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

I tend to agree with you. He did a lot of stabbing and bludgeoning while he was there. It's just so hard to imagine all that he inflicted in just 5 minutes.

 

[PinkButtercup]

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

In reports released by Idaho PD (sorry, I can't access them from my country), and in interviews, detectives said they carried out timed run throughs and think it could have taken somewhere between 2 and 4 minutes -


"One week after the murders, investigators returned to the King Road home to conduct "timed runs through the residence," according to a report from Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson.

"The purpose of the timed runs was to gain an understanding of the approximate time needed to have carried out the murders," Gilbertson's report said. Moscow police lead detective Brett Payne tracked the time, and a state police detective "walked through the residence with me calling out the number of strikes to simulate the number of wounds to each victim, based on autopsy reports," Gilbertson wrote.

Gilbertson said he "conducted two timed runs, the first being a quick as possible run and the second a slower, deliberate timed run" during which he was quiet and more "methodical."

"The timed runs revealed that it was possible for Kohberger to have carried out the murders in as few as two minutes and six seconds, going at a fast pace on the shortest route to the vehicle, or as much as three minutes and forty-five seconds, going at a slower pace on the longer route to the vehicle," the report said.

Idaho Murders: New details revealed

 

[squareandrabbet]

As a mom to college-aged kids, the lone Doc Marten in the middle of the floor does not strike me as odd at all.
What are we thinking about the shoe? If Xana did put on shoes to get her food, it’s very possible she kicked one off in one place and the other somewhere else. (If she’s anything like my kids who sometimes forget all the home-training I gave them) moo

Edited to change “good” to “food”

Maybe she was still wearing both of them inside and one of them flew off in her desperate race to escape.

Lots of young girls wouldn't bother to lace them up if they were just putting them on to meet a delivery.

 

[Gemmie]

Maybe she was still wearing both of them inside and one of them flew off in her desperate race to escape.

Lots of young girls wouldn't bother to lace them up if they were just putting them on to meet a delivery.

I can't see her bothering to put shoes on just to pick up a food order. It's not like they leave your order at the sidewalk, so you'd have to walk across the driveway... They put your order right at your front door, usually as close to it as they can. All she'd have to do is open the door and grab it, all without even needing to step outside. So shoes not necessary IMO.

 

[Megnut]

I can't see her bothering to put shoes on just to pick up a food order. It's not like they leave your order at the sidewalk, so you'd have to walk across the driveway... They put your order right at your front door, usually as close to it as they can. All she'd have to do is open the door and grab it, all without even needing to step outside. So shoes not necessary IMO.

I think the thought is that she could have gone out by way of the slider, ran stem arrive to the front door and then ran back up and in. There were smaller footprints in the snow....

Of course those prints could have been from MM or DM when they were outside with Murphy.

Also if those are KG's boots (was she wearing them at the food truck?), she could have kicked them off there, once she arrived at home.

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

So unfair.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I think the thought is that she could have gone out by way of the slider, ran stem arrive to the front door and then ran back up and in. There were smaller footprints in the snow....

Of course those prints could have been from MM or DM when they were outside with Murphy.

Also if those are KG's boots (was she wearing them at the food truck?), she could have kicked them off there, once she arrived at home.

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

So unfair.

JMO

M00 someone kicked them off once they got home for the evening. And yes, there they sit froze in time.

 

[Arkay]

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

Yes, all of it.

Last time to kick off their boots, last time to order in a meal, last time to play with the dog, last time to giggle with their friends, last time to go to bed, last time for everything.

The only relief, small consolation though it be, is that for the prisoner, he’s had his last times, too.

Last time to go where he wants, last time to drive his car, last time to choose when and what to eat, last time for sleeping in a quiet space, etcetera etcetera.

Not that it makes it even. It never will.

JMO

 

[hooziewhutz]

Also, if the DoorDash driver explained they had to mill around for 15 minutes in order to find the house, this explains why Xana might have decided she wanted to warm up her food in the middle of it.

I like your theory about the microwave, especially after 15 minutes in below-freezing weather. Although I don't remember how much of the milling was on foot vs in vehicle. Does anyone reading this know?

When I've done this kind of "gig work", it was customary (and sometimes demanded/pressured by the app) to communicate with the recipient when the driver or whomever is lost. Not to mention frustrating as all get up when you can't find the place lol. Personally, I'd be all over that phone, texting or calling the customer trying to figure out where to go. And at 4am? Psh. I wonder if such a thing happened. Xana must have been a patient gal. I don't know about Door Dash, but some other apps/companies allow both parties to view the driver's location when nearby. imo

 

[Gemmie]

I like your theory about the microwave, especially after 15 minutes in below-freezing weather. Although I don't remember how much of the milling was on foot vs in vehicle. Does anyone reading this know?

I don't believe the DDD was carrying the bag around, or was she? I think she was walking around trying to locate the house, and then would take the food out of the insulated hot bag to the porch once she found the address. That's how I'd do it. I wouldn't be carrying the order around when I had no idea where I was delivering it to.

 

[whiterhino]

I can't see her bothering to put shoes on just to pick up a food order. It's not like they leave your order at the sidewalk, so you'd have to walk across the driveway... They put your order right at your front door, usually as close to it as they can. All she'd have to do is open the door and grab it, all without even needing to step outside. So shoes not necessary IMO.

jmo Doc Martens are not the shoe of choice for throwing something on to run an errand but that's just me.

Maybe someone took them off and tossed them but they didn't land together? Or the boots were together and someone stumbled over them, causing one to end up where it was found?

 

[Megnut]

32m

 

[gremlin444]

Maybe she was still wearing both of them inside and one of them flew off in her desperate race to escape.

Lots of young girls wouldn't bother to lace them up if they were just putting them on to meet a delivery.

Problem is....she was murdered immediately afterwards....and was not wearing any pants when she was found.

IMHO, she wasn't traipsing outside or around the house in a sweatshirt, thong underwear, and Doc Martens.

Also IMHO, the shoes are a red herring. Esp when there are much simpler explanations, IMO.

 

[LinasK]

You cannot be sure of his Motive, as you cannot know whether he had any personal interaction, or any specific incidents or verbal conversations , or otherwise, with any one or more of the victims. None of us knows that,
I’m not saying the knife had anything to do with his conviction, but the prosecution could want to retrieve it, if they knew where it was .

I am sure.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960976135988093370

 

[Twistinginthewind]

It was below freezing at 4 am on the night of their murders, 28 degrees:

Pullman, WA Weather History | Weather Underground

IMO, anyone in the house even if well heated would keep their shoes, socks, or slippers on, and anyone answering the door or stepping outside would also be well shod.

So it makes sense to me that clomping up and down the stairs was heard that night and the stray shoe/boot was where it was in the living room having been recently taken off from being outside/going to the door/keeping their feet warm.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960880520683749446

"Now,
as the case is prepared to be unsealed,
both the State and defense in Kohberger's trial
objected to witness names, addresses and contact information being revealed
with concerns of
'unwarranted invasion of personal privacy'.

'Although Defendant has now pled guilty and been sentenced for the crimes,
the parties note that the case remains subject to intense media scrutiny,'
court documents stated.

'Consequently,
the parties anticipate that revealing the identities of the witnesses will constitute
an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy'.

The motion noted that witnesses who had already been identified had been subject to
'harassment, threats, stalking and other concerning behaviors by the public and media'."

 

[Dotta]

" 'Based on how he talks to women and treats women,
people in the department thought he was a possible future rapist',
the Idaho State Police report says,
though no one suspected him of committing the Moscow murders.

'Kohberger was interested in the emotions of what it felt like when committing a crime',
the police report said the student told investigators,
adding that the student said Kohberger
'discussed how offenders might avoid getting caught'
and about
'different emotions violent offenders might have'.
The student said she logged a number of complaints to faculty after the conversations."

Bryan Kohberger's Professor Warned He'd 'Stalk and Sexually Abuse' People — and Then He Killed 4 Students

A new report released by police shows fellow students and faculty were concerned about Kohberger's sexist and creepy behavior prior to the 2022 murders

people.com

 

[Warwick7]

As for Xana upstairs, did she see BK? With all of Maddies twinkle lights on you can see in the bedroom, true. But, you can't see the bed from the door. My take from this is, he was standing at the end of the bed, in the doorway, and she caught sight of him.

It could be the blood drops in the doorway to Maddie’s room were because he heard someone coming up the stairs and was stood in the doorway when she came up. She then saw him and yelled and he chased her.