GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[cottonweaver]

I know. I've wondered the same thing. I'm pretty close with my 2 grown kids. But I can't imagine my son wanting to talk to me on the phone, everyday for hours. I have no idea what we would discuss for that long.

My daughter and I do talk almost every day. But not for hours and hours.

It does not sound very healthy, especially given the long description of his lengthy P____N addiction. Somehow the lengthy list of those video titles, which include forced abductions, assaults, etc, and then info about him speaking to his mother daily for hours----the mixture seems toxically unhealthy. IMO

and you don't need to set a grown son to bed at night. That's the kind of thing being described in the Levy interview, to stop him spiralling. ( Levy interview with the two Cellebrite investigators linked yesterday )

We spent ages here on WS remarking on whether or how unusual it was for a parent to do that 5 day drive, twice. Now we have the new context, he actually needed a minder. Independent living - in WA - was a big gamble.

 

[Inthedetails]

I know. I've wondered the same thing. I'm pretty close with my 2 grown kids. But I can't imagine my son wanting to talk to me on the phone, everyday for hours. I have no idea what we would discuss for that long.

My daughter and I do talk almost every day. But not for hours and hours.

It does not sound very healthy, especially given the long description of his lengthy P____N addiction. Somehow the lengthy list of those video titles, which include forced abductions, assaults, etc, and then info about him speaking to his mother daily for hours----the mixture seems toxically unhealthy. IMO

Same.

I have three adult kids in his age range, plus a niece I helped raise. I notice when one is having a tough time (a break up, stress at work), they like to talk to me more often, though not necessarily about the issue directly. I think it's just grounding to talk to Mom. My advice on how to pick produce at the farmers' market might be a comfort when you're under pressure on the job, ykwim? So, the topic of the conversations with Mother might not really shed light on the actual crimes, idk.

However, I think his conversations with Mother are over the top and signal more than just a tough stretch. His demands on her time are concerning, for one thing. If I sensed too much dependency on me, I would try to ease the adult child toward weaning off the phone calls. "Call me the day after tomorrow with an update," and encourage independence. Maybe Mother did that or maybe his situation was too dire and precarious in her mind to let go, idk.

jmopinion

 

[MassGuy]

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[cottonweaver]

I'm going to have to disagree with you, Dotta. Specifically as concerns the fact that he called his mother first thing only a very short time after he killed four people and talked to her for hours.

Did he disclose anything probative? Probably not, but it does seem he felt he needed those hours talking to her to help him self regulate and level out after the murders. And that's fair game for discussion.

MOO

Also, I think that Howard Blum may have got it right - that BK took that plea not only because of the failed motions but because the Dateline show aired and there was a concern one may have had to testify (Family members were on the Pros list at one stage although Thompson has since said that they later decided Pros wouldn't call them.)

Not for a moment do I think his parents knew what he'd done or that he was capable of anything like this but his Mom may have thought he sounded unusually agitated or triumphant or whatever

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Yes Bobby Giacone was talking about how when - if ever - SA & harassment/prowlers etc are reported they typically get reported to campus police instead of direct to The Police.
Younger women also less likely to report minor stuff like prowling ( I appreciate that even if police do get a call about an incident the prowlers had already gone, but at least they'd have complete data to monitor scale & patterns. )

Anyway back to BK. I stubbornly refuse to accept that he wasn't doing this lower-level stuff pre WSU. The NCC & De Sales periods during the periods he was attending in person. ( I appreciate we'll never get that info, in some cases it's not in their interest to disclose, in others it's protected info. ) Looks like BK was prolific around Moscow & Pullman. Hard to believe that this habitual behavior was brand new from summer 2022.

Similarly, like many others on WS, I feel sure he planned murder before he arrived in WA. For him, this was to be one of many.

I also wonder what else BK was up to. LE disclosed he was in the vicinity of 1122 King Rd on numerous occasions. Was he circling around any other areas in Moscow or Pullman? Which other cellphone towers did he connect to on a frequent basis?

Considering BK's mindset, his fellow classmates and professors could have also been targets. I bet the thought at least crossed his mind.

 

[MassGuy]

“Sucks for you, you didn’t know what you were doing.”

How professional.

I also love that in the year of our Lord 2025, we’re still burning CDs.

 

[Inthedetails]

I also wonder what else BK was up to. LE disclosed he was in the vicinity of 1122 King Rd on numerous occasions. Was he circling around any other areas in Moscow or Pullman? Which other cellphone towers did he connect to on a frequent basis?

Considering BK's mindset, his fellow classmates and professors could have also been targets. I bet the thought at least crossed his mind.

Exactly! I am curious where else he visited frequently. Was he casing other houses too? I strongly suspect, YES, he was looking in windows and driving by other houses. Perhaps entering houses.

The King Road house was the target that particular night, but I'm guessing he had a few places he haunted.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

I also wonder what else BK was up to. LE disclosed he was in the vicinity of 1122 King Rd on numerous occasions. Was he circling around any other areas in Moscow or Pullman? Which other cellphone towers did he connect to on a frequent basis?

Considering BK's mindset, his fellow classmates and professors could have also been targets. I bet the thought at least crossed his mind.

Agree. All MOO.
He decided he would kill people and then shopped his idea around.
Everyone he ever came in contact with was in danger, as his idea became a plan and then found a target. He literally asked other murderers how they chose a target. Thank you MPD and supporting agencies for getting this killer locked up.
The sheath IDing the specific weapon type and DNA IDing the person was the mistake. Had he not left it, a blurry white car would be their best evidence, and without more to get probable cause for searches, the turned off phone might never have been uncovered, without the specific knife type the KBar purchase never uncovered.
Basically Kaylee G. Is the hero here. SHE FOUGHT and paid for her fighting with extra violence towards her, but her fight caused him to lose the sheath at the Crime Scene.
So KG you put him in that cell, we thank you that he isn't still out there, a having gained experience and committing more error free versions of 1122.

 

[Dotta]

Agree. All MOO.
He decided he would kill people and then shopped his idea around.
Everyone he ever came in contact with was in danger, as his idea became a plan and then found a target. He literally asked other murderers how they chose a target. Thank you MPD and supporting agencies for getting this killer locked up.
The sheath IDing the specific weapon type and DNA IDing the person was the mistake. Had he not left it, a blurry white car would be their best evidence, and without more to get probable cause fir searches the turned off phone might never have been uncovered, without the specific knife type the KBar purchase never uncovered.
Basically Kaylee G. Is the hero here. SHE FOUGHT and paid for her fighting with extra violence towards her, but her fight caused him to lose the sheath at the Crime Scene.
So KG you put him in the cell, we thank you that he isn't still out there, a having gained experience and committing more error free versions of 1122.

The theory now is
that it was Xana who made him leave the sheath behind
as he raced after her to the bedroom.

When his plan fell apart
as an unexpected and wide awake witness appeared.

He was even forced to talk to her:
"I'm going to help you"

It reminds me of Lucy L's infamous line:
"Trust me, I'm a nurse".

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

The theory now is
that it was Xana who made him leave the sheath behind
as he raced after her to the bedroom.

When his plan fell apart
as an unexpected and wide awake witness appeared.

JMO

Or, simply "chaos" made him leave the sheath behind. I don't think he factored in chaos.

jmopinion

 

[cottonweaver]

wow
so many interesting things in that document Mass Guy has uploaded.

' needs to be physically perfect'

( Have forgotten the name of that historic SK whose thing was slaughtering ' Glamour Girls' It was mentioned in the Angenette Levy interview)

also ' perfect ' like BK was a perfect specimen of manhood. LOL. Also a bit reminiscent of Eliot Rodger

 

[MassGuy]

On his change in behavior following the murders.

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[Inthedetails]

wow
so many interesting things in that document Mass Guy has uploaded.

' needs to be physically perfect'

( Have forgotten the name of that historic SK whose thing was slaughtering ' Glamour Girls' It was mentioned in the Angenette Levy interview)

also ' perfect ' like BK was a perfect specimen of manhood. LOL.
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I think he was searching for the "perfect" victim. Not "perfect" in the sense they were vulnerable in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that they were physically perfect. I think that's all he needed, plus nighttime.

He wanted a perfectly beautiful victim asleep.


jmopinion

 

[Boxer]

The theory now is
that it was Xana who made him leave the sheath behind
as he raced after her to the bedroom.

When his plan fell apart
as an unexpected and wide awake witness appeared.

He was even forced to talk to her:
"I'm going to help you"

It reminds me of Lucy L's infamous line:
"Trust me, I'm a nurse".

JMO

MOO Sheath left on the bedding.

Of course yes, maybe Xana's distraction caused him to leave it behind. But IMO its the exertion of subduing Kaylee's that cause him to lose track of it in the bedding. So MOO then the two women one fighting and one fleeing and then fighting put into motion his leaving evidence that led to his capture.

 

[Dotta]

MOO Sheath left on the bedding.

Of course yes, maybe Xana's distraction caused him to leave it behind. But IMO its the exertion of subduing Kaylee's that cause him to lose track of it in the bedding. So MOO then the two women one fighting and one fleeing and then fighting put into motion his leaving evidence that led to his capture.

And leaving Dylan alive!
An eye-witness!

Both brave victims fighting ensured this murderer was caught.

Leaving DNA behind
and witnessed description of the intruder.

 

[cottonweaver]

WTH! That next post - document from MassGuy

- students/TAs ' needing escorts out of the building'
- drinking the whole bottle of wine in October, must've been in a short space of time. ( He told another WSU TA wtte of ' I've never understood why people drink.' He's such a pseud)

So he now didn't want to switch on his cell phone for class note- making. Because he doesn't want to be tracked? But why would it look suspicious if he was being tracked to WSU locations - inside lectures?
( I've also forgotten whether he had had or was suspected to have had burner phones)

 

[Dotta]

So he now didn't want to switch on his cell phone for class note- making. Because he doesn't want to be tracked? But why would it look suspicious if he was being tracked to WSU locations - inside lectures?
( I've also forgotten whether he had had or was suspected to have had burner phones)

He had incriminating material on his phone.

I bet he kept it in safe place in the apartment
for fear of losing it somewhere or being stolen.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

WTH! That next post - document from MassGuy

- students/TAs ' needing escorts out of the building'
- drinking the whole bottle of wine in October, must've been in a short space of time. ( He told another WSU TA wtte of ' I've never understood why people drink.' He's such a pseud)

So he now didn't want to switch on his cell phone for class note- making. Because he doesn't want to be tracked? But why would it look suspicious if he was being tracked to WSU locations - inside lectures?
( I've also forgotten whether he had had or was suspected to have had burner phones)

Aha! Is that why he stopped using his phone in class? I didn't understand that detail of suddenly using his laptop in class instead. (I still think handwriting notes is better, fwiw, and not just because I'm old, lol.)

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

- drinking the whole bottle of wine in October, must've been in a short space of time. ( He told another WSU TA wtte of ' I've never understood why people drink.' He's such a pseud)

Re the wine

It was during a department outing, right?
So,
a social occasion.

I noticed many introverts help themselves with alcohol during parties
to help them relax, shed inhibitions and socialize.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Couple interesting tidbits.

Minutes after reading about the search for a Hyundai Elantra, Kohberger began searching for car detailing shops, and searching for used cars.

They only have these searches because he was arrested before he was able to wipe his devices again.

If you haven’t read about Wayne Nance, “To Kill and Kill again: The Terrifying True Story of Montana’s Baby Faced Serial Sex Murderer,” is a great read.

I don’t know why they haven’t made a movie out of it yet, as the ending he met is worthy of any Hollywood movie.

Bryan Kohberger Grew Increasingly Paranoid in the Hours Before His Arrest, Started Searching for Used Cars (Exclusive)

The digital forensics team tasked with examining the cell phone and hard drive of Bryan Kohberger revealed what the cnvicted killers was searching for and downloading the day before his arrest.

people.com

Wayne Nance - Wikipedia

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