GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Inthedetails]

I was supportive of Ramsland having access and studying BK until I realized there were Profs at WIUm that saw Red Flags and did nothing about it except chose not to allow him to continue in their program.

What about the young women who complained that prompted their decision?
They had all the red flags on the table… did they aid these women in getting justice?

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Same.

Sorry, Dr. Ramsland, I really am not interested in your take at this point, knowing WSU profs and students saw problems right out of the gate, and took what action they could.

I even question whether he was that bright of a student. He was intense, yes, but that's not the same as brilliant. Plus, he got off on TRICKING everyone and I think part of that trickery was fooling people (even Dr. Ramsland) that he was some sort of star student.

WSU figured it out fast.

jmopinion

 

[Warwick7]

If this is the case, that there may be dozens of stalking victims in the past…
And we just let that sit there like a known truth to be swallowed without reaction???
I find this disgusting, that some terrorized young women may not have been taken seriously.

Is this how it is? A guy can get by with just about anything- but we draw the line with murder?
If this is how we think, no wonder we have so many young women in dangerous situations.

Who are they going to tell- if no one is listening or doing anything about it?
Why would any bother to call 911? About a guy in the woods, peeping Tom, roofie at a bar, a guy too handsy at a club, stealing underwear, following you home or to your car…
We only have the reports that were made= what about all the reports that go unreported!!

Young girls seem completely unaware of the hateful twisted sick minds of such predators.
To the predators- college campuses, the bar scene, pretty much like shooting fish in a bucket

I find that infuriating
IMO

BBM
Great comment!!!!!!!
I want to add one more:
Who are they going to tell- if no one is listening or doing anything about it?

Why would any bother to call 911? About a guy in the woods, peeping Tom, roofie at a bar, a guy too handsy at a club, stealing underwear, following you home, blocking you so you can't leave a classroom, or to your car…

 

[AngTxGal]

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Same.

Sorry, Dr. Ramsland, I really am not interested in your take at this point, knowing WSU profs and students saw problems right out of the gate, and took what action they could.

I even question whether he was that bright of a student. He was intense, yes, but that's not the same as brilliant. Plus, he got off on TRICKING everyone and I think part of that trickery was fooling people (even Dr. Ramsland) that he was some sort of star student.

WSU figured it out fast.

jmopinion

Hmm, It appears there were concerns prior to the murders

Kaylee- felt she was being stalked, a figure in the wooded area/ the bushes outside the house
Did she file a report?

WIU Profs- BK humiliated female students, disliked intensely, physically overwhelming, pinned in conversation, followed a prof she asked for an escort, physical domination, shows up late to female prof classes
Believed if they continued to teach him he would become a predator to female students
Discussed how to put the brakes on his program, stop his funding

WIU student Complaints- 13 students filed complaints against him giving their names, supervising professor said he would not disengage, kept talking and followed them, felt threatening to female students, staring at female students trying to dominate and control,

News Nation- Prof Warning

Am I missing something- it sounds like he was already a predator to female students? He was impacting their mental health, making them feel unsafe, impacting their grades.

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

I very much agree.

While we all want to know his motive, IMO this will never be forthcoming as I don’t expect him to tell the truth.

I see this plan of Dr. Ramsland’s to be mutually beneficial to only two people—- the professor and the murderer.

We’ve learned that his compulsion was to outtalk everyone in his orbit. Interviewing him will give him that opportunity to talk endlessly.

For her, she gets her name out there and perceivably profits from a book and book tours.

What use is any of it now? I know she isn’t clairvoyant, but I’ve already stated my opinion many times; in her area of expertise she did not pick up on any signals from him.

I grant that some interaction was online, I grant that De Sales is a small college, but unless she doses him with truth serum I don’t see the benefit for anyone but the doctor and the convict.

I’d much prefer for her to walk away rather than capitalize on her interactions with him, and let the world forget him.

All just my opinion.

Boom!! Bam!!

 

[Dotta]

Hmm, It appears there were concerns prior to the murders

Kaylee- felt she was being stalked, a figure in the wooded area/ the bushes outside the house
Did she file a report?

WIU Profs- BK humiliated female students, disliked intensely, physically overwhelming, pinned in conversation, followed a prof she asked for an escort, physical domination, shows up late to female prof classes
Believed if they continued to teach him he would become a predator to female students
Discussed how to put the brakes on his program, stop his funding

WIU student Complaints- 13 students filed complaints against him giving their names, supervising professor said he would not disengage, kept talking and followed them, felt threatening to female students, staring at female students trying to dominate and control,

News Nation- Prof Warning

Am I missing something- it sounds like he was already a predator to female students? He was impacting their mental health, making them feel unsafe, impacting their grades.

IMO

Also,
If IRC
what about IDs of women found in a glove in a box?
Was he stalking them?

 

[Gemmie]

Also,
If IRC
what about IDs of women found in a glove in a box?
Was he stalking them?

What I want to know is... how in the world did he get those IDs? Do most young women not keep them in a wallet anymore or something?

 

[justtrish]

What I want to know is... how in the world did he get those IDs? Do most young women not keep them in a wallet anymore or something?

I'm wondering if he was breaking into homes "practicing" that part of his plan for a long time. Maybe stealing ID's. He could have gotten a rush from that knowing the person would be really inconvenienced and perhaps freaked out wondering how it went missing. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

delete - Wrong thread

 

[Cool Cats]

Sorry my posts keep landing here, trying to post in new thread.

 

[cottonweaver]

Don't know if anybody else has noticed that there's quite a few instance of BK lying to people at WSU - small pointless lies most of the time.

He tells an undergrad that he has a background in the military.
He tells one of the Profs he lives nearby to where the Prof parks their car. He doesn't doesn't live there
He tells several Grad students that he has no social media ( MPD found a long list of SM accounts, even though they'd been wiped)
He tells multiple people that he doesn't drink alcohol, a couple of different people see him drinking on different occasions ( as previously discussed here)
When asked about the bruising on his left hand ( the TA described it as if he'd been punching drywall in anger) he replies that he's a boxer.

Because he lies IDK if this next one is true
He tells another student that he only eats one meal a day.

 

[Dexter12]

I don't know how to post anything other than posting a reply. I was reading the ISP reports about the crime scene in the living room, I now understand what was meant by there being a hell of a battle on the second floor. I did not realize that Xana was "chased or pursued "in that room.

 

[Vaderman]

Re leaked video from cell.

Now,
when I think about it,
I remember deAngelo (Golden State killer) was also secretly filmed in his cell.
The video showed him jumping on furniture with agility,
while in Court he was sitting in a wheelchair with a confused face.

Maybe leaking such prison CCTV is some kind of tradition?

I think in the GSK case, it was shown during sentencing to make a point that the weak old man he pretended to be in his appearances were an act. They weren't leaked by an unknown employee; they were part of the official record.

BK's leaked video very much seems more like an intrusion of privacy and violation of protocol. The leaker here should certainly be reprimanded.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm wondering if he was breaking into homes "practicing" that part of his plan for a long time. Maybe stealing ID's. He could have gotten a rush from that knowing the person would be really inconvenienced and perhaps freaked out wondering how it went missing. IMO

I totally think he was breaking into houses long before the murders. I suspect he was in the King Road house before the night of the murders (just a guess).

I don't know how he found the time to do everyhing, tbh. He was on the phone with Mother for hours, he monopolized people in his program at school, he was a TA and had his own studies to do. He followed people around, apparently researched them (he knew the cafe worker's name and schedule), lurked around their homes, entered their homes (the co-worker whose items he re-arranged).

He was only there for about half a year!

Was he not sleeping at night and taking something to help him stay away in the day?

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

Don't know if anybody else has noticed that there's quite a few instance of BK lying to people at WSU - small pointless lies most of the time.

He tells an undergrad that he has a background in the military.
He tells one of the Profs he lives nearby to where the Prof parks their car. He doesn't doesn't live there
He tells several Grad students that he has no social media ( MPD found a long list of SM accounts, even though they'd been wiped)
He tells multiple people that he doesn't drink alcohol, a couple of different people see him drinking on different occasions ( as previously discussed here)
When asked about the bruising on his left hand ( the TA described it as if he'd been punching drywall in anger) he replies that he's a boxer.

Because he lies IDK if this next one is true
He tells another student that he only eats one meal a day.

Pathological lying is characteristic for people with MH issues.

In some cases, compulsive lying can be linked to OCD's patterns of obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors.

Although,
the last one - about 1 meal a day seems to be true IMO.
He has strange eating habits + his obsession of staying thin.

JMO

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[Inthedetails]

the last one - about 1 meal a day seems to be true IMO.
He has strange eating habits + his obsession of staying thin.

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You'd think he'd be perpetually "hangry" by going hours and hours without food. Maybe he was. It's harder to think straight and have perspetive when there is no fuel in the body, in my observation.

No offense to anyone who eats once a day. I'm referring to BK and am assuming other people who eat infrequently are not off-kilter murderers.

I'm leaning more and more toward him being on some substance that quenches hunger and also keeps him up awake for long hours. Just a guess.

jmopinion

 

[cottonweaver]

Pathological lying is characteristic for people with MH issues.

In some cases, compulsive lying can be linked to OCD's patterns of obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors.

Although,
the last one - about 1 meal a day seems to be true IMO.
He has strange eating habits + his obsession of staying thin.

JMO

Pathological Lying and Mental Disorders | FHE Health

Explore the connection between pathological lying and mental health disorders. Learn the causes, effects, and treatment to address compulsive lying.

fherehab.com

BTW re any obsession to stay slim, one of the pool party guests says she could tell he used to be overweight. He was wearing a top and board shorts so the skin issue must have still been noticeable despite the tummy tuck he'd had years before.


ETA
Anyway just remembered another nugget. Recall the student who felt he'd been through her bathroom medicine cabinet, after she hosted a party for the TAs? What he did after was to go tell others that ' X takes medicine Y for condition Z'
All heavily redacted but how mean is that ?

 

[Dotta]

I think in the GSK case, it was shown during sentencing to make a point that the weak old man he pretended to be in his appearances were an act. They weren't leaked by an unknown employee; they were part of the official record.

BK's leaked video very much seems more like an intrusion of privacy and violation of protocol. The leaker here should certainly be reprimanded.

Yep!
GSK
He was a real piece of work!

But, at least,
he apologized during sentencing.
With weak (poor me), shivering voice
"I'm sorry".

 

[Boxer]

Yep!
GSK
He was a real piece of work!

But, at least,
he apologized during sentencing.
With weak (poor me), shivering voice
"I'm sorry".

The GSK had more humanity than BK, the courtesy to apologize?
It is so good BK didn't get a chance to learn from 1122.

 

[Dotta]

ETA
Anyway just remembered another nugget. Recall the student who felt he'd been through her bathroom medicine cabinet, after she hosted a party for the TAs? What he did after was to go tell others that ' X takes medicine Y for condition Z'
All heavily redacted but how mean is that ?

I'm not sure it is exactly mean.
I see it as part of his MH condition.
He seems to have NO boundaries.
No clue about normal social interactions.
He is sick IMO.

I asked once, but got no answer.
Was he ever attending psychological therapy?
Was he under the care of psychiatrist?

I guess not.
What a pity! (if not)

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

I'm not sure it is exactly mean.
I see it as part of his MH condition.
He seems to have NO boundaries.
No clue about normal social interactions.
He is sick IMO.

I asked once, but got no answer.
Was he ever attending psychological therapy?
Was he under the care of psychiatrist?

I guess not.
What a pity! (if not)

JMO

The whole of the WSU document load is littered with incidences of targeted cruel remarks. (Not against everybody, selected people)

Personality disorder I guess ( The only MH condition we know about is the OCD)