GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Megnut]

BBM

Regarding his being on the phone with his mother for hours, I thought that was while he was in jail awaiting trial. Did I miss something about him doing this while he was working? It’s possible I did, but I just want to check and make sure “talking to his mom for hours while working” is a fact and not a misunderstanding. Thanks!

Not the OP but I think the intent was that he made these calls with Mother during the period he was employed (and taking classes), not that he made the phone calls during office hours.

His phone call mere hours after the murder, accusing to the docudump, was not atypical.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

He hated women but was tethered to his mom. Looking to level up after the murders. How did he view his mother's role in all this? Did he expect blind support if he got caught?

Also what stands out is a couple of his fellow TAs - including the maleTA who said BK wanted to have ' guy talks' with him - mentioning that he never talks about his family.

Protective?Embarrassed? No idea , but for a guy who likes to brag, surely he could find something to relay or exaggerate? ( My sis was a therapist, sis was in a movie, mom's experience in education)
Mom and Dad were his whole support system but he doesn't mention them


also wrt your second question, yes you're probably right. The WSU documents really give impression of a guy with a hair-trigger temper and one who detests to be contradicted. Even interjections rile him. Living in the same house as him would be worse than walking on eggshells. ( Son - parent domestic violence is also more common than people want to admit)

 

[cottonweaver]

Why did AT never raise Visual Snow Syndrome?

She must have had reasons.

JMO

At the end of the Tapatalks, back when he was 16 he did return to tell the VS community that he was now over it. IIRC he said that he'd achieved that through diet.

IMO he never had it in any case. He was having a MH breakdown and looking for self-diagnoses online - as long as they didn't lead to questions around mental health. ( Whenever anyone in the VS community gently suggested a psych, he blanked it)

 

[gremlin444]

At the end of the Tapatalks, back when he was 16 he did return to tell the VS community that he was now over it. IIRC he said that he'd achieved that through diet.

IMO he never had it in any case. He was having a MH breakdown and looking for self-diagnoses online - as long as they didn't lead to questions around mental health. ( Whenever anyone in the VS community gently suggested a psych, he blanked it)

I can't think of any mental health condition that has visual static as a major/common known symptom.

Whereas there are mental health conditions that can co-occur with known frequency, like OCD...OCD itself doesn't cause the visual snow.

I known I've said it here before, and I'll say it again....at the time that BK started posting in the visual snow thread, there wasn't a lot of info available online about visual snow. And what there was usually didn't list the mental health issues that can co-occur or result from from having the more severe forms of it. The chances of a teen randomly searching about depersonalization/derealization and/or OCD at that time period getting a hit on visual snow would have been very highly unlikely. During that time period, the commonly available VSS info online would really primarily be linked with one thing--migraines.

 

[indicolite22]

At the end of the Tapatalks, back when he was 16 he did return to tell the VS community that he was now over it. IIRC he said that he'd achieved that through diet.

IMO he never had it in any case. He was having a MH breakdown and looking for self-diagnoses online - as long as they didn't lead to questions around mental health. ( Whenever anyone in the VS community gently suggested a psych, he blanked it)

My migrane episodes (luckily rare) start with visual snow. There are triggers one needs to avoid. Did he ever suffer from migraines?

 

[cottonweaver]

I can't think of any mental health condition that has visual static as a major/common known symptom.

Whereas there are mental health conditions that can co-occur with known frequency, like OCD...OCD itself doesn't cause the visual snow.

I known I've said it here before, and I'll say it again....at the time that BK started posting in the visual snow thread, there wasn't a lot of info available online about visual snow. And what there was usually didn't list the mental health issues that can co-occur or result from from having the more severe forms of it. The chances of a teen randomly searching about depersonalization/derealization and/or OCD at that time period getting a hit on visual snow would have been very highly unlikely. During that time period, the commonly available VSS info online would really primarily be linked with one thing--migraines.

Yes I think that he preferred to believe he had VS - a physiological condition rather than a psych one ( He referenced all kinds of symptoms which fit a range of physiol & psych conditions, not just VS. From insomnia, migraine, tinnitus right through to auditory hallucinations of blood curdling screams. )

when I posted
' ....as long as they didn't lead to questions around mental health. ( Whenever anyone in the VS community gently suggested a psych, he blanked it)...'

That blanking seemed clear in 2010 and now we have the ISP uploads we hear from witnesses that he'd said in 2022 he'd never countenance dating a woman with any mental health condition either. ( Not just an embargo on a mate's physical disabilities)
TBC I can understand why a 15 yr old doesn't want to countenance any notion of MH issues - scary plus huge stigma - but by 2022 he's expressing a range of views - in the WSU uploads - which are bordering on eugenicist. ( BTW In WSU uploads, he covers many of his views by mentioning his ' Catholic' background but many of the other beliefs he expressed are against Catholic teaching)

Anyway, moving on to 2025 - does anybody think that the imprisoned BK would welcome a full clinical forensic eval if somebody from the FBI asked ? ( The type which uncovers personality disorders?)


ETA re @Inthedetails later comment, afaik, Ramsland also isn't licensed/clinical

 

[Inthedetails]

1. I don’t think the murderer was an incel but I do think he was an over the top misogynist as evidenced by his “relationships” with women in his circle. I honestly think he hated women. His lack of respect for his female Profs by attending classes late but not his male Profs is quite telling. Harsh grading meted out to female students but not to male students, talking over female students as if they are less than him. Blocking female students from leaving the office. Theres so much more.

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Your whole post was great, but I've snipped this part about misogyny. I wonder if he either planned to or is enjoying underming Dr. Ramsland.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM

Regarding his being on the phone with his mother for hours, I thought that was while he was in jail awaiting trial. Did I miss something about him doing this while he was working? It’s possible I did, but I just want to check and make sure “talking to his mom for hours while working” is a fact and not a misunderstanding. Thanks!

I'm assuming the long and frequent calls to Mother were an ongoing thing, but now that you mention it, maybe that is a wrong assumption.

Someone will know - please post!

jmo

 

[cottonweaver]

My migrane episodes (luckily rare) start with visual snow. There are triggers one needs to avoid. Did he ever suffer from migraines?

Yes and he mentioned having seen an eye doctor and a neurologist and I guess his parents must've tried their best to get a diagnosis or find something treatable or curable.

Within a short period of him telling the Tapatalk community that VS was no longer a big issue for him, he was on heroin.

 

[Dotta]

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Your whole post was great, but I've snipped this part about misogyny. I wonder if he either planned to or is enjoying underming Dr. Ramsland.

jmo

I guess
It was a process of changing
from a chubby bullied boy at school
to a bully himself.

His transformation
from a fat, laughed at (by girls?) child/teen
to slim, condescending adult is striking.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Even then in the last documents it said that if a woman was the professor he'd show up halfway through the class or sometimes not show up at all.

Interesting. Savyýoto

I guess
It was a process of changing
from a chubby bullied boy at school
to a bully himself.

His transformation
from a fat, laughed at (by girls?) child/teen
to slim, condescending adult is striking.

JMO

MOO he was always disrespectful entitled with girlfs. I am not sure "bullied" is right word for girls not wanting to be forced to interact with someone who they sensed had the elements of a future murderer.

 

[Dotta]

MOO he was always disrespectful entitled with girlfs. I am not sure "bullied" is right word for girls not wanting to be forced to interact with someone who they sensed had the elements of a future murderer.

But why was he this way towards girls as a young teen?
(As OP suggests)

What was his role model?

Boys at school usually try to impress girls.
(I say it as a teacher observing kids daily at school.
And obesity is, unfortunately, a trigger for bullying).

His dramatic weight loss makes me think of overweight girls starving themselves till anorexia in order to FIT within their circle, to be accepted.

But, of course, BK's whole life was determined by obvious MH disorders
which he tried to overcome solely by himself.

Did he ever get professional help?

JMO

 

[stormymama]

Why did AT never raise Visual Snow Syndrome?

She must have had reasons.

JMO

I don't think he had it, that's why. I think at the point he was posting about it, he was starting to recognize he was having pycho-socio-something-tendencies and trying to assign a syndrome to it other than there being something wrong with his precious, genius brain. moo

 

[Boxer]

But why was he this way towards girls as a young teen?
(As OP suggests)

What was his role model?

Boys at school usually try to impress girls.
(I say it as a teacher observing kids daily at school.
And obesity is, unfortunately, a trigger for bullying).

His dramatic weight loss makes me think of overweight girls starving themselves till anorexia in order to FIT within their circle, to be accepted.

But, of course, BK's whole life was determined by obvious MH disorders
which he tried to overcome solely by himself.

Did he ever get professional help?

JMO

MOO he was overweight AND trying to control people and girls stay in conversations with him, as he did as an adult. He thought his rejection was the weight, but it was the controllingness.

 

[Inthedetails]

MOO he was overweight AND trying to control people and girls stay in conversations with him, as he did as an adult. He thought his rejection was the weight, but it was the controllingness.

Right. Girls are under no obligation to engage in someone who is pressuring them. Given what we now know about BK in his adult years, I am comfortable projecting backward and assuming middle-school girls didn't want his attention for solid reasons. Not liking someone is not "bullying," and I'm guessing they had to be direct and perhaps not nice in trying to get him to stop. They were provoked, not being bullies for fun.

He might have misinterpreted and thought it was due to his weight or fitness, when it was about his personality.

My opinion.

jmo

 

[cottonweaver]

Right. Girls are under no obligation to engage in someone who is pressuring them. Given what we now know about BK in his adult years, I am comfortable projecting backward and assuming middle-school girls didn't want his attention for solid reasons. Not liking someone is not "bullying," and I'm guessing they had to be direct and perhaps not nice in trying to get him to stop. They were provoked, not being bullies for fun.

He might have misinterpreted and thought it was due to his weight or fitness, when it was about his personality.

My opinion.

jmo

By the time he's at WSU he can't even respect the boundaries of his seniors and supervisors in the first semester. ( It's in the Prof Snyder statement which has been linked a couple of pages back. ) He refuses to leave Snyder's office. The reportedly laid-back Snyder has to ask him to leave his office but BK won't so Snyder has to leave his own office.

Also, the 31 year old TA Ben thinks BK viewed women as ‘ articles. ’ His word, not mine. It's in his statement and separately IIRC we just learned from Cellebrite that he has, for example. a woman's number entered into his cell contacts as ' Hair'

 

[twall]

By the time he's at WSU he can't even respect the boundaries of his seniors and supervisors in the first semester. ( It's in the Prof Snyder statement which has been linked a couple of pages back. ) He refuses to leave Snyder's office. The reportedly laid-back Snyder has to ask him to leave his office but BK won't so Snyder has to leave his own office.

Also, the 31 year old TA Ben thinks BK viewed women as ‘ articles. ’ His word, not mine. It's in his statement and separately IIRC we just learned from Cellebrite that he has, for example. a woman's number entered into his cell contacts as ' Hair'

I assume the 'Hair' contact is the person who cut his hair.

 

[cottonweaver]

I assume the 'Hair' contact is the person who cut his hair.

It could be Rose who described him as one of his regulars

and ' Girl I ran with' also has no name

 

[MassGuy]

Haven’t watched this yet but it should be interesting.

 

[Dexter12]

Haven’t watched this yet but it should be interesting.

What is it?