GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[INfisherman]

Touch dna is still DNA but could easily try to be explained away because it was touch. I’ve read through almost all of the doc dump and they really just didn’t have a lot. Some but not a lot. JMO

Evidently they had enough that his attorney, one of the few death penalty PA trial lawyers in the state, advised him to plead guilty & admit he was the murderer.

She tried dealing with the touch DNA, how it was obtained & whether it was constitutionally obtained prior to the trial & she lost all her motions to suppress it. The DNA was coming in & she had no defense for explaining away how his DNA could have gotten inside the victim’s house going into trial.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I know the facts of this case, Otto. I know what B, D and the neighbors have said they heard. My point is that, at trial , Taylor would have had to rigorously challenge what the 2 surviving room mates THINK they heard. Maybe both sides did acoustic testing ( I assume they did) but that isn't the same as a juror being able to see for themselves what could and could not be heard at the crime scene. That's just my opinion.

BBM
When jurors do a walk-through, they are not allowed to speak. Basically no one speaks. No experiments can be held, such as testing acoustics. It's only a walk-through.

 

[otto]

All these issues should have been immediately reported to the landlord.

Landlord's key duties to tenants include maintaining a safe and habitable living space, making necessary repairs,
ensuring the property meets basic health and safety standards.

It is the Law.

JMO

True. However, if the landlord had repaired that sliding glass door lock more than once, and tenants or their friends repeatedly tampered with the lock when they forgot their keys, then the landlord had the right to tell the tenants to fix it and submit the receipt ... and eventually to pay for it themselves.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

May I kindly request if quoting from ONE of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of documents recently released to the public, that they PLEASE BE ATTACHED or LINKED?

We have a storyline that is going down a path that LE had several of the suspect’s phones in their possession PRIOR to his arrest & it seems it was the victim’s phones. It would be nice to avoid creating any potential confusion going forward.

Thanks!

ETA this makes fact checking much faster & just linking to hundreds or thousands of documents isn’t very convenient to check a few facts.

On my iPhone, I can’t download docs from the WEBPAGE: Moscow Police investigation documents, so I instead use the GOOGLE DRIVE: Moscow Police investigation documents.

Unfortunately, I can’t link to individual Moscow Police docs like I can court docs on the Idaho Cases of Interest page. So for my posts, I provide screenshots of the Moscow Police doc and supply the Supp # so people can look up the file using one of the two links for the Moscow Police investigation documents that I provided above.

I highly recommend that everyone saves one of these two links for easy access to individual Moscow Police investigation documents (given the Supp #).

Note that the 314 supplemental docs are listed in chronological order, so they are pretty easy to navigate.

ETA:

You are right, @gremlin444, the docs are NOT categorized by subject (since they are instead organized by date).

If you have downloaded all the docs onto your computer, you could duplicate them and put them into additional folders by subject of the document (which is listed under “Narrative:”).

Anyway, I guess we can now feel a bit sympathetic to Anne Taylor’s complaints about the Prosecution’s discovery dumps.

 

[gremlin444]

May I kindly request if quoting from ONE of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of documents recently released to the public, that they PLEASE BE ATTACHED or LINKED?

We have a storyline that is going down a path that LE had several of the suspect’s phones in their possession PRIOR to his arrest & it seems it was the victim’s phones. It would be nice to avoid creating any potential confusion going forward.

Thanks!

ETA this makes fact checking much faster & just linking to hundreds or thousands of documents isn’t very convenient to check a few facts.

Heck, I'd settle for even just the document number.

I've got them downloaded, but I need to know which of the 300 some documents is being talked about because they don't have informative titles, aren't grouped or organized in some helpful way, and I don't have them memorized.

 

[otto]

You know, anyone find out if he obtained blue prints quietly of the house layout or had broken into the house when no one was home one night to trace the house access points? I'm curious if the FBI was able to find this out or not in their initial report when it comes out. Cause it's plausible if he ever did break in long before what he did, he could of hidden in air ducts to heating vents stuff to use so no one would know. You'd be surprised how many serial killers plan crazy far ahead, like months or weeks. Israel Keyes always comes to mind with this burial across America in every state almost of the home depot buckets with a kill kit inside.

Russell Williams is another example of stalking prior to assault and murder. He entered victims' homes at least once before entering again to commit murder. He often stole underwear during his first home invasion. He sometimes rearranged objects and he always knew the layout of the house when he did sneak in to murder. He typically hid inside the house waiting for the victim to return home - because he also knew their schedules in advance. He was very prepared.

 

[Chloegirl]

Wouldn't surprise me if he gave treats to the pet to subdue them into liking them every time they came around to stalk the place. It's a conditioning method so that the pet learns trusts whomever is giving them food.

Definitely. I petsit and know a lot of the tricks. As a matter of fact, I petsat actually out on Sand Road today. That is one of the various roads it was speculated that BK took.

I cannot help thinking about the the knife being either at Anderson Park or at UI Arboretum, which has a pond. I think about that weird poem Pappa Roger wrote. Something about garden gnomes. Of course, it could be anywhere, but these are my musings as I drive down Sand Road. JMOO

 

[gremlin444]

Hmmm...

BK has Master's Degree in Criminal Justice.
I bet there aren't many inmates with this kind of background.

It all depends on which concentration he took for his masters degree and which electives. I'm looking at the Desales site now.

Having 1 class on criminal justice systems doesn't confer him with a lot of practical details about the appeals process and creating/filing them yourself as opposed to having your lawyer do it. If he took the Investigative Forensics concentration he'd get another class on forensics and the courtroom. If he took the Digital Forensic concentration, they don't have any other required classes for legal info beyond the criminal justice systems class that all the CJ grad students have to take.

Bundy had been in law school and had acted as his own lawyer for part of his trial. Murdaugh was a lawyer. There's no comparison when it comes to BK. You're going to get more accurate and real help from a fellow inmate who has only a high school education but has been in the appeals process for several years, without the condescension.

If you want someone to lecture you about criminal psychology, specific serial killers, how to avoid contaminating a crime scene forensically, or the causes of crime, then he is your guy.

 

[jesse]

Hmmm...

BK has Master's Degree in Criminal Justice.
I bet there aren't many inmates with this kind of background.

But what practical use would that have for a convict?

 

[Chloegirl]

I did not keep up as well yesterday, apparently BK is now in solitary confinement. Blink and you miss something. JMOO

This is the clip from KING5 news station. I could not find it on their main website.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

But what practical use would that have for a convict?

The kind trying to get away with murder!

 

[MissPie]

But what practical use would that have for a convict?

Not to mention that since he got convicted himself, his credibility that he knows anything about criming is probably in the crapper.

 

[SteveP]

The fish cutting! That means he knows how to not only use a large knife to gut a fish and de scale it, but that means he knows how to cut correctly if he were to murder someone and how to hand them like a large fish when needing to let the bowls and organs fall out, think of people who catch sword fish to little sharks.

Respectfully, a knife that you would use to fillet a fish, which usually has a very flexible blade, and a KaBar fixed-blade knife are about as different as night and day, as are the ways that you would use them. The fish that he was hired to fillet were not big game fish. They were your basic bass and trout, that type fish. Also, according to his boss at Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes, the killer never really got proficient at filleting, and that, along with his lack of ability to make eye contact with customers, led to his dismissal.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he's murder before. Cause any chance in Pennsylvania there is blonde women that look similar to Madison in not just height but weight, that were young, that are cold cases from when he was still in the state after high school? I'm going to look in to this, because this feels like this wasn't the first time he's done something like this, but not of this size like in 2022, but I get this feeling he has murdered before.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Respectfully, a knife that you would use to fillet a fish, which usually has a very flexible blade, and a KaBar fixed-blade knife are about as different as night and day, as are the ways that you would use them. The fish that he was hired to fillet were not big game fish. They were your basic bass and trout, that type fish. Also, according to his boss at Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes, the killer never really got proficient at filleting, and that, along with his lack of ability to make eye contact with customers, led to his dismissal.

I actually know how to since I was a kid, watched how it was done and got to with my dad help cut open a fish. But you know never know, he could of taught himself with youtube videos.

 

[Dotta]

But what practical use would that have for a convict?

This post is in a context.
Refers to my earlier post and is an answer to another poster.

Never mind

 

[Dotta]

Not to mention that since he got convicted himself, his credibility that he knows anything about criming is probably in the crapper.

Mind you
After all he wriggled out of Death Penalty.
He saved his life.

And guess what?
Ted B. didn't.

 

[INfisherman]

On my iPhone, I can’t download docs from the WEBPAGE: Moscow Police investigation documents, so I instead use the GOOGLE DRIVE: Moscow Police investigation documents.

Unfortunately, I can’t link to individual Moscow Police docs like I can court docs on the Idaho Cases of Interest page. So for my posts, I provide screenshots of the Moscow Police doc and supply the Supp # so people can look up the file using one of the two links for the Moscow Police investigation documents that I provided above.

I highly recommend that everyone saves one of these two links for easy access to individual Moscow Police investigation documents (given the Supp #).

Note that the 314 supplemental docs are listed in chronological order, so they are pretty easy to navigate.

ETA:

You are right, @gremlin444, the docs are NOT categorized by subject (since they are instead organized by date).

If you have downloaded all the docs onto your computer, you could duplicate them and put them into additional folders by subject of the document (which is listed under “Narrative:”).

Anyway, I guess we can now feel a bit sympathetic to Anne Taylor’s complaints about the Prosecution’s discovery dumps.

You typically provide enough info that most could find a needle in a haystack & I greatly appreciate your thoroughness, as I’m pretty sure others do as well. I saw a brief exchange occur which interested me & the link provided just went to the document dump. I felt the claim being made in the exchange was surprising but turned out the report from LE was misunderstood or not clear/typo’d in the post.

Heck, I'd settle for even just the document number.

I've got them downloaded, but I need to know which of the 300 some documents is being talked about because they don't have informative titles, aren't grouped or organized in some helpful way, and I don't have them memorized.

Anything would assist compared to essentially tossing you banker’s boxes full of reports & wishing you the best of luck finding a specific nugget.

I simply do not wish to resort to reporting posts which may contain misinformation & lack the info to prove out the info being asserted. Don’t want to let the hounds loose, so to speak but i also feel a bit more attention to detail may help clear things up more quickly should the waters get murky. Present company excluded & trying to be polite, PC, fair, non-trolling & every other millennial platform after 2010 I can conceive in my dense skull to anyone else who reads this.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Mind you
After all he wriggled out of Death Penalty.
He saved his life.

And guess what?
Ted B. didn't.

I mean Bundy murdered at least 30 people and escape custody twice. That's why he was given the death penalty. Unless BK has more victims on his murder list of people he killed, that's why they don't always go for the death penalty unless you've got a high body count.

 

[Dotta]

I mean Bundy murdered at least 30 people and escape custody twice. That's why he was given the death penalty. Unless BK has more victims on his murder list of people he killed, that's why they don't always go for the death penalty unless you've got a high body count.

If we measured everybody by Ted B's scale
Nobody would be given DP.

Because, let's be honest,
I don't recall anybody who wreaked as much havoc as him.

JMO