GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Cindizzi]

 

[browneyes]

Has anyone seen anything in all the ISP documents (or any others) or any interviews, etc, about the fellow female CJ grad student we learned about in the Dateline episode?

We had heard about her vaguely before in regards of her having an apartment break in, being scared, and asking BK to install a security camera for her.

Then in the Dateline episode they gave her name (SO NOT COOL), and said she shared an office with him. Said she had a crush on him (AGAIN, NOT COOL, UNLESS THEY INTERVIEWED HER AND SHE GAVE PERMISSION). They said the night she discovered the break in (burnt cake moved from kitchen counter, bathroom toiletries moved around), she called BK and asked to stay at his apt (she lived in the same complex). She eventually wondered if it has been him who had entered her apartment because that day, she had went to get her apt keys from her office desk drawer (where she always put them) and they were gone. She said she had been out of the office earlier for a bit, but when she discovered the keys were gone, BK wasn't in the office. Later he came in, and she asked him if he had seen the keys--he said no. But they turned up later that day.

The only reason I'm asking is because the ISP dump includes tons of interviews with other grad students in the program and accounts of BK being in their offices and preventing them from leaving/coming in uninvited. It struck me that I didn't recall seeing any interview that could have been with her (and I think he may have even had 1 more office mate).

Maybe ISP is not releasing documents pertaining to her/that incident in order to protect her privacy and that's fine. After all, we've not seen anyone else other than Dateline mention that she was an office mate, supposedly had a crush on him, or seen her name elsewhere. I'm sure there was at least a subset of Probergers after the Dateline episode that tried to find and attack her via email/social media.

I was just wondering if I had missed it in the recent document dumps.

I’ve seen practically every Dateline episode. They cover faces, use fake names, and distort voices unless they are given permission to use the info. The moderators make a point to clarify that.

 

[LadyL]

Interesting. Savyýoto

MOO he was always disrespectful entitled with girlfs. I am not sure "bullied" is right word for girls not wanting to be forced to interact with someone who they sensed had the elements of a future murderer.

what is Savyýoto?

Given BK's multiple known mental health diagnoses, in addition to those we don't know about or that were never properly evaluated or diagnosed, as well as the complexity that arises when people have multiple diagnoses, its not possible to attribute specific behaviors to a particular diagnosis.

But some behaviors and behavior patterns do tend to be associated more strongly with some diagnoses than others. As an example, the hand washing until hands are red and raw would commonly be associated with OCD, and less likely with something like Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

IMO, BK's behavior of talking extensively AT people without paying attention to whether they want to keep engaging, can commonly be associated with the autism spectrum. I would speculate that these specific topics BK insisted on talking to everyone in his program about were one of his major special interests, if not the only one.

For people on the ASD spectrum, it is common to have a subject or topic (or more than one) that can become all-encompassing. These can last for short periods of time, or they can last for years or decades. This can be quite positive if the person can channel their special interest into a career.

I'm guessing that this was his family's hope - they saw that BK found a topic he was deeply passionate about, and this motivated him to pursue higher education. If he didn't have all the other problems and issues, he very well could have become an expert in his special interest area, and that could have led to a successful career. Being able to succeed in that area would then lead to other positive experiences such as increased self-esteem, etc.

For some on the autism spectrum, their special interest can become something that they want to talk about any chance they get. It may be difficult for them to resist the urge to talk extensively about their topic as it is so meaningful to them. They may have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours studying and learning about their special interest. They may actually know more about it than others simply due to the fact that they've spent so much time immersing themselves in it.

Conversation can then become a time to "info dump" or "monologue" about the special interest as opposed to an opportunity to connect with another person. A quick google search on terms like "special interests" "monologuing" and "info dumping" will pull up hundreds of articles about this.

Of course, BK is a complex person, and autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is only one element of his overall psyche. Clearly there are more things at play here. Just as we cannot attribute everything about him to ASD, we also cannot remove it entirely from our understanding of him. There are many other elements of his behavior (that are known to us so far) that I believe connect quite strongly to being on the autism spectrum IMO, but I decided to focus on these recent posts about his interactions with people at WSU.

All MOO and a caveat - I hope/think our community here at WS has the wisdom to know that discussing how autism spectrum disorder potentially plays a role in a specific person's actions (in this case, BK's), it doesn't equate to a global judgement/assumption about all people who are on the spectrum.

[bbm]

what diagnoses are you referring to? and what is the source please?

 

[LadyL]

The text of the TRO from MPD:

Temporary Restraining Order Issued for Kohberger Public Records Release

I get a faulty link. 404 error

 

[Warwick7]

I don't know how I feel about the TRO.
I don't want to see their bodies.
I do however want to see the rooms.

 

[Warwick7]

Police officers place bags over the hands for the purpose of preserving potential evidence, I get that. But why place one over Xana's left foot??

 

[iamshadow21]

Police officers place bags over the hands for the purpose of preserving potential evidence, I get that. But why place one over Xana's left foot??

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Speculation: if she was attacked whilst standing, she may have had gravitational blood drops on the top of her feet. If so, they would have wanted to check those to ensure none of them were the blood of her attacker.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

Speculation: if she was attacked whilst standing, she may have had gravitational blood drops on the top of her feet. If so, they would have wanted to check those to ensure none of them were the blood of her attacker.

MOO

Very interesting.

 

[Warwick7]

Speculation: if she was attacked whilst standing, she may have had gravitational blood drops on the top of her feet. If so, they would have wanted to check those to ensure none of them were the blood of her attacker.

MOO

I'm also wondering now if he had left a bloody footprint on her foot. If he stepped on her foot she could have left a print.

 

[Warwick7]

Police officers place bags over the hands for the purpose of preserving potential evidence, I get that. But why place one over Xana's left foot??

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Maybe there was a hand print around her foot / ankle. BK may have grabbed it with his gloved hand during the struggle.

 

[Nichevo]

I believe so, the description of that area of the crime scene is in the ISP documents

That’s rough, guess I wasn’t ready for that. Even though I realize it is the reality of what happened in that house.

 

[gremlin444]

Speculation: if she was attacked whilst standing, she may have had gravitational blood drops on the top of her feet. If so, they would have wanted to check those to ensure none of them were the blood of her attacker.

MOO

Also, if she was attacked and then walking back and forth or side to side in the area where she was attacked, she may have stepped in her own blood with that foot.

 

[Herat]

The perp is at fault, not the victims, but please tell your young people moving out on their own for the first time, to put curtains in the windows and pull them shut at night.

JMOPINION

And lock the doors.

 

[Helechawagirl]

The problem with these issues on college campuses…
- having room, car, apartment, broken into
- having personal belongings stolen from self, car, room, apartment
- being a victim of stalking on campus
- being a victim of sexual assault, from groping -> Grape
- being robbed, purse snatch
- being roofied at an on campus event

Is they often are not treated as a crime warranting attention
- often go unreported- Most female students assume nothing will be done.
- ‘handled internally’- Schools don’t want to panic others or ruin reputations.

Common issues aren’t typically committed by a loner incel, who has other issues.

And they didn’t amount to murder, so didn’t get a lot of attention.
And few campuses have acted as if those crimes are signs of larger crimes.

So they continue regularly

IMO

You are exactly right! One gal was almost attacked—woke up to see a guy with a knife in her room—kicked him in the stomach and he ran off. Said the police laughed at her.

Also, it kills me that Kaylee thought she had a stalker, saw someone in the woods watching. It is unclear at this point if she made a police report; so the girls always went out in pairs, took a rideshare home, were aware of their surroundings—and yet failed to lock the sliding glass door.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Ive had YouTube on in the background while I do paperwork, etc. First, I can’t believe how many people are “reporting” on this case. It’s mind boggling. It’s to the point where they are having each other on their shows as guests. Bizarre.

Also a lot of misinformation being spread—case in point; Dylan said she heard someone say, it’s okay; I’m here to help.”

Someone was retelling her story and said that Dylan said she heard someone say It’s okay Kaylee, I’m here to help.

Now, many of these channels are reporting that and saying Kaylee was the target etc.

There are those still saying that Xana’s father replaced her lock the weekend before, but that was due to a mishearing by Xana’s mom.

And some are saying the blood on the outside of Xana’s from was Ethan’s. But unless her bed was up against that wall. It couldn’t be his.

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I have a feeling that when the UN of Idaho found out who the suspect was, they alerted the UN of Washington and the University fired him to avoid/reduce damage to the University’s reputation.

Just some of my thoughts/opinions. I also think the damage done to Ethan was more horrific than they’ve said. They don’t seem to plan on releasing the autopsy so unless someone successfully FOIYA’s it, we’ll never know. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

BK was wearing boots.

 

[gremlin444]

Someone was retelling her story and said that Dylan said she heard someone say It’s okay Kaylee, I’m here to help.

That was in ISP document 32--but that's because it was a retelling. Doc 32 was written by ISP Detective Talbott. He was writing down what Moscow Sgt. Blaker said to him as a summary of the situation.

So, Blaker got it wrong in his summary/retelling and Talbott merely documented it.

And some are saying the blood on the outside of Xana’s from was Ethan’s. But unless her bed was up against that wall. It couldn’t be his.

The blood was on south side of the house, towards the west end. Maddie's bed was right up against that wall (the head of the bed directly up against the west wall, the side of the bed along the south wall of her room). And Ethan's head, as was said in the police reports, was up against that wall.

Gray Hughes does a good visual explaining it right here (and if you go back further in the video he uses some of the crime scene photos, the girls' social media, and his 3d model of the house to show how the bed, Ethan's body position, and the outside stain line up.

 

[cottonweaver]

I hope they don't though; the Idaho Statesman that is. The relevant ISP narrative doc clearly shows that this was simply a misunderstanding by one LE officer who then conveyed that misunderstanding to a second officer (who is authoring the narrative). All of DM's actual interview docs mention no naming by the killer.

I was hoping the appropriately named Kevin Fixler would set the record straight on the non-event of the killer using KG's name.

Moo, anyone interested in accuracy should not rely on Banefield. She did her usual sensational, poorly researched reporting. One more piece of misinformation introduced to the public which will probably never entirely lose its legs. Jmo

From Friday's thread

sometimes I think the Banfield show does it deliberately. It happens so often. You have to click on the old post- for the clip and reply.
Banfield show has been quick and emphatic to call out Dateline's inaccuracies but does the show ever correct itself? IDK

Too many podcasters show Banfield clips and round and round we go

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Entin is reading DM's interview, she heard the intruder say, "it's okay, Kaylee, I'm here to help you."

Whoa.

Jmo

What Entin says at 4minutes vs what Entin reads out from the LEO's summary at 18mins ( verbatim vs third hand)

I do wish we could just read these instead of audio.

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[gremlin444]

You are exactly right! One gal was almost attacked—woke up to see a guy with a knife in her room—kicked him in the stomach and he ran off. Said the police laughed at her.

Also, it kills me that Kaylee thought she had a stalker, saw someone in the woods watching. It is unclear at this point if she made a police report; so the girls always went out in pairs, took a rideshare home, were aware of their surroundings—and yet failed to lock the sliding glass door.

In the crime scene photos that were released, there is a good shot of open sliding glass door---and the knob and the handle are in the locked position. So, it was locked....the question is did BK pop the door like on various YT videos or was the part the lock "hook" was supposed to connect with malfunctioning in some way? Either way, someone in that house thought that they had locked the sliding glass door that night.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2025-08/250808-Kohberger-Murder-scene-ch-1013-652cac.jpg

From this article:

Police release new images of University of Idaho murder scene

Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were killed inside an off-campus apartment in the early morning of Nov. 13, 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Dotta]

Ive had YouTube on in the background while I do paperwork, etc. First, I can’t believe how many people are “reporting” on this case. It’s mind boggling. It’s to the point where they are having each other on their shows as guests. Bizarre.

Also a lot of misinformation being spread—case in point; Dylan said she heard someone say, it’s okay; I’m here to help.”

Someone was retelling her story and said that Dylan said she heard someone say It’s okay Kaylee, I’m here to help.

Now, many of these channels are reporting that and saying Kaylee was the target etc.

There are those still saying that Xana’s father replaced her lock the weekend before, but that was due to a mishearing by Xana’s mom.


And some are saying the blood on the outside of Xana’s from was Ethan’s. But unless her bed was up against that wall. It couldn’t be his.

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I have a feeling that when the UN of Idaho found out who the suspect was, they alerted the UN of Washington and the University fired him to avoid/reduce damage to the University’s reputation.

Just some of my thoughts/opinions. I also think the damage done to Ethan was more horrific than they’ve said. They don’t seem to plan on releasing the autopsy so unless someone successfully FOIYA’s it, we’ll never know. JMO

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"There are those still saying that Xana’s father replaced her lock the weekend before, but that was due to a mishearing by Xana’s mom."

Really???
I thought it was true.

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What does it mean?
What lies?