GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Stratocaster]

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[NavySubMom]

Damien Echols, Jessie Misskelley Jr and Jason Baldwin (West Memphis 3 case in 93) are what always comes to mind to me whenever Alford Pleas are mentioned. They're INFURIATING imo

Yes, absolutely these three !! It does seem a ridiculous result for Murder !

 

[Vaderman]

Watching the bodycam footage...I'd just like to say..."screw you" to everyone who questioned and dragged the roommates through the mud with suspicion.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

RBBM

Didn't he tell a relative to get different pans to cook his vegan food?

I could be wrong, but thought I read this somewhere.

JMVHO.

I think xxx214 would have benefitted from some pushback and boundaries in his family. I remember the pots and pans demand, too.

If I one of my nephews was coming to eat in my home and they made such a demand, I would have suggested that if they had such a severe sensitivity, that it would be safer for them to bring their own food as I wasn’t prepared to buy new cooking vessels. I’d be glad to prepare a vegan entree, but not buy new pans to use.

This sicko is spoiled and entitled, among many other negative descriptors. MOO.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

What in the world is this thing from your article?

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Source: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/r...n/news-story/918e495cbe00ab5a7ed3faa50c773bf2

@Gemmie, an eggless, butterless brownie?

 

[twall]

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With the time stamped body cam video of LE initially showing up at the scene.....for those who follow the case with a microscope?....where is 'bushy eyebrows' at this exact time, I believe he did a mid-morning drive by, but the LE showing was closer to noon.....where is 'bushy eyebrows' just before noon?

More than likely on his way to the Clarkston/Lewiston area-

Later that day, Kohberger’s cell data showed he traveled from Pullman south to the area of Clarkston, Washington, and Lewiston, Idaho, about eight hours after the King Road murders, the affidavit read. There, surveillance video showed, he exited his Elantra “consistent with Suspect Vehicle 1” from the neighbor’s security footage, and walked into an Albertsons in Clarkston. He went through the self-checkout stand and bought only a pre-packaged Starbucks frappuccino coffee drink, Gilbertson said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311635488.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Gemmie]

@Gemmie, an eggless, butterless brownie?

There isn't a proper Reaction to your post, so . lol

 

[DizzyB]

I found that moving too. So many rescue workers showed up, yet found out they were not needed. You could sense the "brotherhood" among them.

(I didn't notice women in that particular moment and I mean no exclusion by that word.)

jmopinion

It was like 9/11 for me. I had friends who were waiting for patients, loved ones in NYC. That realization that nothing can be done. The initial walk through the house at King Road for the responding officers, how do you shake that off and go into work mode? How are you ever okay?

 

[gremlin444]

Very interesting and thorough article. Not all of the families approved of the Deal, it seemed two families approved, two families did not.

While there are 4 kids, there actually is more than family families due to divorces and remarriages.

Kaylee's parents together and both against plea because they wanted death
Xana's dad is against the plea as it was written because it didn't require BK to answer questions and give details. He's fine with life without parole instead of death penalty, but would rather have a trial and get details from evidence and witness and expert testimony instead of a plea and get nothing out of BK

Ethan's parents together and both for the plea
Maddie's mom and step dad for the plea
Maddie's dad for the plea
Xana's mom for the plea (said she was initially upset but then saw how it would avoid retraumatizing everyone with a trial)

So while some people say "oh, two families were for and two were against," in reality because of some of the kids having parents who are separated the actual number of "families" was 6...with 4 for plea, 1 against plea because only wanted death penalty, and 1 who didn't care about death penalty but would rather have a trial with answers instead of a plea that didn't make BK talk.

 

[gremlin444]

Hindsight and all, I wish she would have run out the open slider. Wasn’t that near the beer pong table?

Slider was on the back wall of the 2nd floor in the kitchen. The beer pong table was in living room perpendicular to the hall to Xana's room, set with the short end about a foot away from the half wall to the 1st floor stairs and cutting that area of the living room almost in half.

 

[Arkay]

Another very sad moment for me was LE speaking with and turning away rescue workers. Although there was no sound, the facial and body language of those hoping to help was powerful.

I finally had a chance to watch the entire bodycam footage, and I agree.

Not needing emergency care for anyone in that home—-you can see it in the eyes and expressions of the EMTs as they are sent on their way.

That and the crime scene tape being placed around the property were very striking.

Two things I didn’t catch—-I didn’t notice Murphy, and I’m not sure who were all the people sitting on the ground? Other friends of the kids?

You were all telling the truth—-it was viscerally devastating to watch these kids as they try to process what has happened to their friends, but still didn’t know exactly what had happened at the time.

Except Hunter, who certainly knew at least half of it, and yet police procedure meant that he had to deal with that himself until LE was permitted to explain.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

When you listen carefully the moment they take the dog out is when all the students start crying really hard. I think that's when they realize it was something wrong upstairs. They're crying so hard.

I also thought they started crying loudly when the lead detective called his boss/co-worker and said 'get your @ss back here, we've got a quadrupole homicide' making me wonder if they heard him, even though he was a good distance away

 

[crhedBngr]

I know this was briefly discussed before, but does Anyone know how restricted his media (both online and hard copy, like books) is?

Thought I read there definitely were restrictions in place, but I'm not familiar with this.

TIA.

JMVHO.

 

[Chloegirl]

it is worth watching, even if she is a bit intense. she makes many good points esp. about the possible release of more crime scene photos. I for one am not clamoring to see more graphic photos, but I would have to look if they are available. but to agree with Pat Brown, none of us outside of LE, the associated attorneys or the families should demand the right to see them.

i have often wondered what the point of our (the general public's, me included) interest in cases like this are. I think it is our desire to make sense out of chaos; 4 people, minding their own business are brutally killed...we want there to be a reason. if there is no reason, then our world is filled with unknowns and that is scary for some people. the human brain is hard-wired to see patterns & make sense out of data, and it is stressful when we cannot do that.

as a person who follows true crime, BKs motive will never make sense even if he does state it. what interests me most is the investigative techniques to catch these people, and if (and that is a big IF) more research gives insight to a common factor in killers I.e. head injury, abuse as a child etc. however, science is not there yet & could be there is no common factor.

I was not familiar with Pat Brown's work. Thanks for the introduction. I do not think she is exactly harsh as she is honest. Unfortunately, when anyone is openly honest folks do not know how to take that. I trend towards this without apology. I may be wrong but I find it refreshing when someone says what they mean. JMOO

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

He’s a “Taker” not a “Giver”

Probably never GAVE anything to anyone ever.

MOO

I mean…he gave people the creeps…if that counts

 

[LadyL]

Just finished watching the bodycam. That officer who's wearing the bodycam, he needs a raise - promotion.

yep I am very impressed with him and all the other cops too

 

[mickey2942]

@Gemmie, an eggless, butterless brownie?

Actually, not bad. Made with olive oil, egg replacement. But, it didn't look that good to me.

Just give him peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next 40 years...or how ever long he lasts...

 

[Boxer]

it is worth watching, even if she is a bit intense. she makes many good points esp. about the possible release of more crime scene photos. I for one am not clamoring to see more graphic photos, but I would have to look if they are available. but to agree with Pat Brown, none of us outside of LE, the associated attorneys or the families should demand the right to see them.

i have often wondered what the point of our (the general public's, me included) interest in cases like this are. I think it is our desire to make sense out of chaos; 4 people, minding their own business are brutally killed...we want there to be a reason. if there is no reason, then our world is filled with unknowns and that is scary for some people. the human brain is hard-wired to see patterns & make sense out of data, and it is stressful when we cannot do that.

as a person who follows true crime, BKs motive will never make sense even if he does state it. what interests me most is the investigative techniques to catch these people, and if (and that is a big IF) more research gives insight to a common factor in killers I.e. head injury, abuse as a child etc. however, science is not there yet & could be there is no common factor.

There is no valid motivation.
He wanted to kill so he did.

 

[Ghostwheel]

RSBM

i have often wondered what the point of our (the general public's, me included) interest in cases like this are. I think it is our desire to make sense out of chaos; 4 people, minding their own business are brutally killed...we want there to be a reason. if there is no reason, then our world is filled with unknowns and that is scary for some people. the human brain is hard-wired to see patterns & make sense out of data, and it is stressful when we cannot do that.

as a person who follows true crime, BKs motive will never make sense even if he does state it. what interests me most is the investigative techniques to catch these people, and if (and that is a big IF) more research gives insight to a common factor in killers I.e. head injury, abuse as a child etc. however, science is not there yet & could be there is no common factor.

IMO, there are layers to true crime followers. Mine is to try and find ways to plug holes in my own security, see if there is something there that I see that LE didn't and might help (they read these places, don't think they don't), learn more about forensics and to understand that some things really just don't make sense. Dennis Rader will never make sense. How do you protect yourself from that kind of person? But knowing it is out there, you do what you can.

Understanding what IS, not necessarily WHY enables you to cover whatever bases you feel you need to. My college age daughter never let her drink out of her sight (if it did happen, she'd just dump it and get new). If you didn't know about date rape, you'd not think anything of it. So layers. IMO.

 

[NavySubMom]

I mean…he gave people the creeps…if that counts

Excellent !! LOL !!