GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

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[Warwick7]

The gist of it is that he is threatening to harm himself if the guards don't move him away from inmates who are constantly tormenting him. You know... more Karen stuff.

Ok...hold the phone....!

He's threatening to harm himself because someone else is inflicting extreme pain and suffering on him??!

My my my that's calling the kettle black.

You dug your own grave you can lie in it!

 

[LinasK]

Ok...hold the phone....!

He's threatening to harm himself because someone else is inflicting extreme pain and suffering on him??!

My my my that's calling the kettle black.

You dug your own grave you can lie in it!

They should keep him exactly where he is and put one of the suicide prevention TACO suits on him- the kind that Donna Adelson had to wear when she threatened suicide as a manipulation tactic.

 

[Teche]

I’m waiting for the warden to take some privileges away.

 

[Dotta]

He seems to be very arrogant and entitled.

An egotistical and narcissistic individual,
believing himself to be some kind of VIP

I pity the students who were unfortunate to have him as a TA.
He is absolutely insufferable.

How come he doesn't understand that his attitude in prison
might harm him in the long run???
I thought Psychology is an important part in Criminology Studies, no?

One needs allies, not enemies in prison.
As it is the dangerous & hostile environment.

I guess
his "hissing fits" greatly amuse and provoke other inmates.
They can see his weakness
and will ruthlessly take advantage of it,
treating him as their "entertainment".

He was once a bully.
Who is now being bullied himself.

Fate is fickle.

JMO

 

[mickey2942]

He seems to be very arrogant and entitled.

An egotistical and narcissistic individual,
believing himself to be some kind of VIP

I pity the students who were unfortunate to have him as a TA.
He is absolutely insufferable.

How come he doesn't understand that his attitude in prison
might harm him in the long run???
I thought Psychology is an important part in Criminology Studies, no?

One needs allies, not enemies in prison.
As it is the dangerous & hostile environment.

I guess
his "hissing fits" greatly amuse and provoke other inmates.
They can see his weakness
and will ruthlessly take advantage of it,
treating him as their "entertainment".

He was once a bully.
Who is now being bullied himself.

Fate is fickle.

JMO

I see his fruit soon being reduced to cups of applesauce. Can't choke or kill himself with applesauce plopped on a tray. Enjoy your fruit buddy.

He can purchase nuts, peanut butter with his stash of cash from the commissary.

A vegan diet can be accommodated, but not "organic". And if he does not like the foods provided to him, he can try to starve himself. It will just get him a crazy suit, and IV feed tube eventually.

BK's entitlement continues, I guess his family thought it was better to accommodate him than deal with his petulantance, and pouting. No doubt he used tantrums to get his own way before. So, his family actually reinforced that negative behavior.

He used it before, and got what he wanted. Why isn't it working now?!

 

[Mandi3020]

A lot seem to believe this about his family, but what do people really think they would have done so differently if he were their son to raise? Keeping in mind you want to have a relationship of some kind with your son, you want it to feel positive at least sometimes, and you need some cooperation by him, so he'll participate in seeing doctors, therapists, and going to rehab.

I wouldn’t have allowed him to rule the roost, which is the pattern that developed, imo. That didn’t help anyone, especially him.

 

[Megnut]

I’m waiting for the warden to take some privileges away.

No more forks for you, Bryan.

JMO

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I wouldn’t have allowed him to rule the roost, which is the pattern that developed, imo. That didn’t help anyone, especially him.

What makes you believe his family "allowed him to rule the roost," though?

 

[Megnut]

What makes you believe his family "allowed him to rule the roost," though?

Not the OP but, even from his messages to his parents -- 'Father, why isn't Mother answering me?' -- suggests the tail wags the dog.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

What makes you believe his family "allowed him to rule the roost," though?

From some things that were released after the plea deal was done, I got the feeling that Bryan often ruled the roost.

Bryan's phone logs are one example. He did not have any calls with friends or coworkers. Only had calls to his parents. Mostly his mother. He called her a few times a day and they spoke for hours.

If she didn't answer her phone, Bryan would text his Dad and say: Father, why isn't Mother answering her phone?

Even now, he talks to his mom every day for long periods of time.

I feel like he is manipulating her. Even bullying her, imo. What could she possibly need to talk to him about for such lengthy calls?

I might be projecting, from my own life experience with my extremely bi-polar younger brother. That's how he was with my Mom.
She always took his calls and visits and put him first, partially out of fear. Fear of angering him or upsetting him. It was exhausting for her but she was a good, supportive mother and kind of sacrificed her own needs/wants to pacify him and protect the rest of the family sometimes.

I get the same feeling from the Kohberger family dynamic. Don't upset Bryan---let's try and keep the peace, keep things moving forward.

 

[Dotta]

From some things that were released after the plea deal was done, I got the feeling that Bryan often ruled the roost.

Bryan's phone logs are one example. He did not have any calls with friends or coworkers. Only had calls to his parents. Mostly his mother. He called her a few times a day and they spoke for hours.

If she didn't answer her phone, Bryan would text his Dad and say: Father, why isn't Mother answering her phone?

Even now, he talks to his mom every day for long periods of time.

I feel like he is manipulating her. Even bullying her, imo. What could she possibly need to talk to him about for such lengthy calls?

I might be projecting, from my own life experience with my extremely bi-polar younger brother. That's how he was with my Mom.
She always took his calls and visits and put him first, partially out of fear. Fear of angering him or upsetting him. It was exhausting for her but she was a good, supportive mother and kind of sacrificed her own needs/wants to pacify him and protect the rest of the family sometimes.

I get the same feeling from the Kohberger family dynamic. Don't upset Bryan---let's try and keep the peace, keep things moving forward.

Another thing.
His father driving across the country to take him home for Christmas.
Really???
There is transport in the US, right?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Even now, he talks to his mom every day for long periods of time.

I feel like he is manipulating her. Even bullying her, imo. What could she possibly need to talk to him about for such lengthy calls?

I understand what you're getting at. But I think it's easy to say, if he were my son, I'd set better limits with the phone calls. And maybe some people would. But without being the mother in the situation -- you can't know.

Because I imagine if you knew deep down your son was capable of dangerous things, you might also feel compelled to talk things through with him, to maintain a "close" rather than distant relationship. The right balance would be difficult.

To outsiders, and probably even the parents, it would seem like a lack of boundaries but I just can't judge. His parents would judged by some either way. ("They were too involved in his every whim. They had no boundaries. He ruled the roost!" or else some might say i"His family knew what he was capable of. Where were they in his life while he was out doing these things?") His parents can't win, and so I can't judge that they kept/keep at least trying with him in their own way.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Another thing.
His father driving across the country to take him home for Christmas.
Really???
There is transport in the US, right?

I think it was nice, and a lot of college students would appreciate their parent doing that. Plus American culture is different from European. Flights are more expensive and more people own cars.

 

[Dotta]

I understand what you're getting at. But I think it's easy to say, if he were my son, I'd set better limits with the phone calls. And maybe some people would. But without being the mother in the situation -- you can't know.

Because I imagine if you knew deep down your son was capable of dangerous things, you might also feel compelled to talk things through with him, to maintain a "close" rather than distant relationship. The right balance would be difficult.

To outsiders, and probably even the parents, it would seem like a lack of boundaries but I just can't judge. His parents would judged by some either way. ("They were too involved in his every whim. They had no boundaries. He ruled the roost!" or else some might say i"His family knew what he was capable of. Where were they in his life while he was out doing these things?") His parents can't win, and so I can't judge that they kept/keep at least trying with him in their own way.

Letting being taken advantage of and exploited
emboldens the perp who sees it as weakness.

Discipline and setting boundaries are vital.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

I think it was nice, and a lot of college students would appreciate their parent doing that. Plus American culture is different from European. Flights are more expensive and more people own cars.

The road distance is more or less 2434 miles.
One way.
Phew!
Is it "nice" to take such a trip by car by a retired person?
In winter I might add.

Well, that is just my general observation.

I, personally, would choose a
Sitting long hours in a gives me cramps

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I understand what you're getting at. But I think it's easy to say, if he were my son, I'd set better limits with the phone calls. And maybe some people would. But without being the mother in the situation -- you can't know.

Because I imagine if you knew deep down your son was capable of dangerous things, you might also feel compelled to talk things through with him, to maintain a "close" rather than distant relationship. The right balance would be difficult.

To outsiders, and probably even the parents, it would seem like a lack of boundaries but I just can't judge. His parents would judged by some either way. ("They were too involved in his every whim. They had no boundaries. He ruled the roost!" or else some might say i"His family knew what he was capable of. Where were they in his life while he was out doing these things?") His parents can't win, and so I can't judge that they kept/keep at least trying with him in their own way.

I'm not criticising his Mom as much as I am sympathising with her, but am annoyed at him. I think he is a bully.

I see what you are saying---she is doing her best to try and handle a difficult situation. But the original post I responded to was saying that Bryan 'ruled the roost.'

And I do think he did rule the roost. Not saying it to be critical of his folks. But it is what it is. IMO he is a manipulative, narcissistic sociopath, IMO. He lives to rule the roost. l

 

[Dotta]

I'm not criticising his Mom as much as I am sympathising with her, but am annoyed at him. I think he is a bully.

I see what you are saying---she is doing her best to try and handle a difficult situation. But the original post I responded to was saying that Bryan 'ruled the roost.'

And I do think he did rule the roost. Not saying it to be critical of his folks. But it is what it is. But he is a manipulative narcissist sociopath, IMO. He lives to rule the roost. l

His days of "ruling the roost" are over
In prison he is surrounded by other
"manipulative narcissist sociopaths"
(Quoting OP)
not too happy to be ordered around.
He's at home there hehehe
Home, sweet home.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I think it was nice, and a lot of college students would appreciate their parent doing that. Plus American culture is different from European. Flights are more expensive and more people own cars.

Yes, and college students may want to have their cars at school so driving back and forth makes sense.

 

[Chloegirl]

Yes, and college students may want to have their cars at school so driving back and forth makes sense.

I feel like some of us are really missing the point here (absolutely no disrespect to anyone). Sure we can take a lot of time to posture around the situation and explain things. That's not what I'm doing. He's a murderer, effectively dysfunctional, manipulative, and suffering the consequences of his actions, let's hope. JMOO