GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[Megnut]

I think that the Kickboxing came into play for the major injuries to her face. He wanted to destroy her beauty, IMO.

AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO

Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.

 

[Megnut]

Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.

I share your soft spot.

And, while Murphy can't maybe get therapy in the traditional sense, we can be sure he's providing it.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.

He wouldn't have inflicted those injuries on Kaylee manually. I've always believed he used the pommel of the knife, which is designed specifically for that purpose. You can hammer nails with that thing.

He arrived at 4:07, and sped away at 4:20. I believe these murders took no more than 7-8 minutes, which is an eternity. You can stab someone multiple times a second, and with the exception of Xana, this was akin to shooting fish in a barrel.

Not only was an accomplice unnecessary, but every piece of evidence refutes it. This guy didn't have a friend in the world, yet he somehow finds someone willing to kill with him? This person leaves no evidence, and they bizarrely share a knife. It also doesn't fit with the crime scene itself, as the state narrative makes perfect sense based on the timeline and the location of the bodies.

I don't believe that him lying was the reason they didn't ask him questions. I believe Thompson wanted this deal done, and didn't want to take any chances when it came to Kohberger agreeing.

Anne Taylor did a tremendous job, doing everything she could to get the death penalty off the table. <modsnip>There is zero chance he has an ineffective counsel argument.

 

[gremlin444]

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

All he meant was that he didn't want BK popping up to stand every time he was asked a question (some judges in some kinds of hearings do want that..or they have the defendant keep standing instead of sitting down between each question). If Hippler expects you to stand, he'll instruct you to. Hippler was also saying it was unnecessary as well as coming across as obsequious--all he needed to do to show proper courtroom respect to the judge was use polite language when addressing him and follow all directions.

Not to mention it was a plea hearing where it was already known to all that he was confessing to a quadruple murder--the guards and LE really don't want him constantly standing up....too much of a risk and puts everyone on edge. It doesn't help that the layout of that courtroom was rather odd.....usually they are set up so that the defense table and the prosecution table are set up side by side parallel to each other--not in this unusual perpendicular layout they had in that courtroom. That means every time he stands up, he's essentially facing out to the prosecution and the families/friends/audience as opposed to standing with his back to them.

 

[Megnut]

All he meant was that he didn't want BK popping up to stand every time he was asked a question (some judges in some kinds of hearings do want that..or they have the defendant keep standing instead of sitting down between each question). If Hippler expects you to stand, he'll instruct you to. Hippler was also saying it was unnecessary as well as coming across as obsequious--all he needed to do to show proper courtroom respect to the judge was use polite language when addressing him and follow all directions.

Not to mention it was a plea hearing where it was already known to all that he was confessing to a quadruple murder--the guards and LE really don't want him constantly standing up....too much of a risk and puts everyone on edge. It doesn't help that the layout of that courtroom was rather odd.....usually they are set up so that the defense table and the prosecution table are set up side by side parallel to each other--not in this unusual perpendicular layout they had in that courtroom. That means every time he stands up, he's essentially facing out to the prosecution and the families/friends/audience as opposed to standing with his back to them.

Excellent points.

He murdered four people in minutes.

It's safer for everyone if he remains seated.

Just saw, in another courtroom, a defendant who was found guilty of his crimes tried to stab himself. If BK is standing, he has a split second advantage, should he attempt to harm himself or anyone else. Seated, he needs that split second to stand, handing the split second advantage to the guards.

Judge didn't editorialize but IMO he neutralized BK swiftly.

Imagine how frightening just his standing up might have felt to the victims. It's aggressive, dominating.

Judge took that power away from him masterfully.

I'm reminded of KG's sister's more direct approach -- sit up when I'm talking to you.

Judge was calm with his directive but no less effective in putting BK in his place.

I can't help but to wonder, I mean, surely his attorneys advised him on the court's procedure and preference. Perhaps they did. And he took his own liberty. He doesn't seem to be constrained by convention.

Either way, Hippler made it clear.

My courtroom, not yours.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

Screen grab from the end of the video, enlarged, a murderer walking among us

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is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it often to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe

 

[cujenn81]

is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it all the time to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe

It’s not just you. Maybe I’m just Monday morning quarterbacking, but I think the exact same thing every time I see a new picture or video. Those dead eyes are a glaring warning sign that he doesn’t have a lot of emotion roaming around in that head of his.

 

[Megnut]

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[Arkay]

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

I’m also one who sees this differently.

IMO it was not meant to be tender, but actually the opposite.

Judge Hippler had BK’s number early, but naturally expected a jury would decide.

Now that they’d come to the end of the road, he wasn’t about to let Bryan desecrate the court, and the memories of his victims, by play-acting the role of a virtuous young man who shows respect for protocol.

I wonder if inwardly, the judge wanted to yell “SIT YOUR BUTT DOWN!” Of course he would translate that into proper court-speak. “It’s not necessary for you to stand when you address me.”

Just my opinion.

 

[OneLove]

is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it often to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe

Oh yes, WE can see it, but lets take a look at how he sees himself.

That outfit (shudder).. Who dresses like that anymore in their day to day everyday life? C'mon; he's a student and a graduate assistant. Not even full tenured long term professors dress like that ( well, at any of the universities where I've spent considerable time as both student and teaching professor.)

To me, that "look" he has going with his fashion statement, and just after completing a particularly gruesome homicide spree, says "look at me, I'm a respectable important person going about my respectable important life". I think he dressed this way very intentionally as a camouflage and *very intentionally* got himself on security cameras in multiple locations at times of day that seemed very normal for his routine respectable normal life, thinking he was so clever that he would never ever be suspected. That murderous look WE see was probably to him the look of "I'm so important and respected that I intimidate insignificant little people like you". His students and colleagues alike have spoken of this weird intimidating attitude using other descriptive words.

I also believe the thickness we see around his midsection is likely a compression wrap of some sort (multiple possibilities here including thin neoprene) that is used to prevent blood seepage from wounds sustained that morning (or less likely from wraps used preemptively for protection applied before his attack. Its much easier to conceal wraps under a loose button down shirt and loose dress slacks than the much more common and casual tshirt and sports pants. And a white shirt at that! Of COURSE he couldnt have POSSIBLY just committed a heinous flurry of murders, heavens no. And using his intimidating kind of presence, he'd be comfortably sure nobody would even think to question his very esteemed and important position in life. What a clever one.

I believe this pathetic deviant has such a huge narcissistic self image that his mirror only has room for one image: himself. He makes space for Mother only because he sees adoration reflected back to him in her eyes. Father only exists because he's useful for summoning Mother.

He can't get reflected adoration in prison and he can't intimidate anyone there either though he laughingly tried, from behind bars, when on the phone with Mother. His future looks agonizing. Yay for that.

I'm seeking info for some psychological research: how old was BK when he first saw American Psycho, the movie he named as his all-time favorite? Did he become obsessed with it then or did that come later?

 

[Megnut]

Father only exists because he's useful for summoning Mother.

Rsbm

This.

 

[Megnut]

Gray Hughes on NewsNation with AB

Reviews the store and Elantra footage, nicely condensed for anyone who hasn't the heart/time for his hours long coverages.

 

[scruffydog]

Re the picture

It is not only the torso that looks bulky
but the area of hips and legs

Honestly folks,
but maybe it is the angle of CCTV.
People look strange caught on such camera hahaha

JMO

I thought it looked like he had sweat pants under his pants

 

[snooptroop88]

It’s not just you. Maybe I’m just Monday morning quarterbacking, but I think the exact same thing every time I see a new picture or video. Those dead eyes are a glaring warning sign that he doesn’t have a lot of emotion roaming around in that head of his.

Totally agreed on this, these images (and video) I'm seeing of him in the store? If I were in that store, I'd be creeped out. When I try looking at him in a vacuum, like trying to look at him as if he's just "anyone," not the monster we know he is-- seriously, there's still just something about him, some weird, creepy aura. Like he's trying to be furtive, I think that's what it is. Like he's going out of his way to be unnoticed. There's just something unnatural about him, and I think that's where the furtiveness comes from-- he knows there's something unnatural about him.

And I don't think he really cares, even now. Like a ghoul.

RIP Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan. Strength to those who carry on without them, including Murphy.

 

[OneLove]

Sweat pants would make sense.

I am interested in the psychology concerning BK's fascination or obsession with the movie "American Psycho". I've never seen the movie so I got this from AI about the plot:

"The story centers on Patrick Bateman, a handsome, well-educated, and wealthy Wall Street executive who maintains a meticulous morning routine and a facade of normalcy while descending into violent, hedonistic fantasies and acts of murder at night." Another description of the plot said "misogynist attitudes"were on display too and maybe that's where BK first picked up his very odd horrid attitude toward women we have heard so much about going all the way back to his earlier years before Idaho.

I find the "meticulous morning routine" of the psycho in the movie interesting as well as the "facade of normalcy". I can easily picture BK adopting those for himself. And the "nightime fantasies and acts of murder at night" can certainly explain his middle of the night wakefullness. But on the "handsome, well educated, and wealthy", gag me. Yet I'm thinking he may have really believed he had perfected that whole entire persona, accounting for his general overall overly inflated view of himself.

What are the odds he first saw American Psycho at a young "budding" or imprintable developmental age and was eroticized by the lead role in American Psycho? Maybe he began to cosplay the traits in his own real life from a very young age, and in a narcissistic twisted way eventually fell in love with his own self as that role? Maybe that explains his "self love" night time selfies? I'm curious also as to how he envisioned his life *after* his murders, given that he was tanking at Life 101 overall. Addictions cause many students to fail in school and maybe his was a compulsive murder fantasy addiction that caused him to be so very odd that it eventually got him kicked out of school or was it that he just lost his assistantship job? I'm not clear on that detail.

Any idea how a person would go about finding out how old BK was when he first saw American Psycho? The movie first came out in 2000.

 

[iamshadow21]

Sweat pants would make sense.

I am interested in the psychology concerning BK's fascination or obsession with the movie "American Psycho". I've never seen the movie so I got this from AI about the plot:

"The story centers on Patrick Bateman, a handsome, well-educated, and wealthy Wall Street executive who maintains a meticulous morning routine and a facade of normalcy while descending into violent, hedonistic fantasies and acts of murder at night." Another description of the plot said "misogynist attitudes"were on display too and maybe that's where BK first picked up his very odd horrid attitude toward women we have heard so much about going all the way back to his earlier years before Idaho.

I find the "meticulous morning routine" of the psycho in the movie interesting as well as the "facade of normalcy". I can easily picture BK adopting those for himself. And the "nightime fantasies and acts of murder at night" can certainly explain his middle of the night wakefullness. But on the "handsome, well educated, and wealthy", gag me. Yet I'm thinking he may have really believed he had perfected that whole entire persona, accounting for his general overall overly inflated view of himself.

What are the odds he first saw American Psycho at a young "budding" or imprintable developmental age and was eroticized by the lead role in American Psycho? Maybe he began to cosplay the traits in his own real life from a very young age, and in a narcissistic twisted way eventually fell in love with his own self as that role? Maybe that explains his "self love" night time selfies? I'm curious also as to how he envisioned his life *after* his murders, given that he was tanking at Life 101 overall. Addictions cause many students to fail in school and maybe his was a compulsive murder fantasy addiction that caused him to be so very odd that it eventually got him kicked out of school or was it that he just lost his assistantship job? I'm not clear on that detail.

Any idea how a person would go about finding out how old BK was when he first saw American Psycho? The movie first came out in 2000.

The thing is, he just doesn't get it. And I think this would be the case whatever age he saw it.

He probably saw Handmaid's Tale as a utopia, not a dystopia.

He probably read American Psycho and thought 'life goals!' rather than recognising it was intended as a scathing satire of consumerism and toxic masculinity. Ditto if he ever watched Fight Club.

He just doesn't recognise the author's intent, because rather than feeling the horror we would feel reading it, he feels validation.

I bet he's one of those who would read Lolita and come away believing Humbert Humbert was absolutely honest and virtuous, or at least justified and seduced, rather than one of the most famous unreliable narrators in literature who absolutely killed a woman so he could rape her twelve year old daughter.

MOO

 

[Chloegirl]

I'm starting to think maybe this is the first time that BK had a car, specifically when he moved to Idaho. Maybe before that he was always borrowing his Mother's.

He got done with the murders and drove back to Pullman, then headed back to Moscow to the bank/possibly to drive by the crime scene or police station to check for activity and back to Pullman. Then he drove to Costco 40 miles away in Clarkston.

I wonder if it wasn't novelty to drive around like a 17 year old with a car for the first time. Gas is typically expensive enough that you run errands in a specific order (if you actually have errands) and don't loop around multiple times to different towns to go to ATMs, etc. He likely had 50+ ATMs in Pullman to go to but drove to Moscow instead.

There are at least a dozen grocery stores in the region, but no he went to the valley down in Clarkston, WA to an Albertsons, purchasing one single coffee drink. I think he was stuck in loops circling prey and frappuccinos. It's wasteful, illogical, and creepy. JMOO

 

[Zinn]

Gray Hughes on NewsNation with AB

Reviews the store and Elantra footage, nicely condensed for anyone who hasn't the heart/time for his hours long coverages.

Regarding his choice to skip Kate’s Cup of Joe in Clarkston, from what I can tell online, it’s strictly drive-thru. If a local knows different, please correct me. But if it’s a drive-thru, I would imagine he might not have wanted to get that close to a human being or potentially a camera while in his vehicle that day. He might’ve preferred to park a bit away and walk up.

Alternatively, he might have paused to read the menu board and found he didn’t like their options for one of his dietary preference reasons.

JMO.

 

[Megnut]

Regarding his choice to skip Kate’s Cup of Joe in Clarkston, from what I can tell online, it’s strictly drive-thru. If a local knows different, please correct me. But if it’s a drive-thru, I would imagine he might not have wanted to get that close to a human being or potentially a camera while in his vehicle that day. He might’ve preferred to park a bit away and walk up.

Alternatively, he might have paused to read the menu board and found he didn’t like their options for one of his dietary preference reasons.

JMO.

Good ideas.

I have wondered too if he was looking for dumpsters.

JMO