PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[somequestions]

The evidence against Brian Kohberger seemed overwhelming. I still do not agree the university should have demolished the home until after the trial or plea deal was over. I think his plea deal includes giving up the right to appeal. At least the case is now over.

 

[Vaderman]

I must admit, I'm scratching my head at the negative reaction to this news.

He is pleading guilty. He's making it clear: he committed this crime.

He won't get the death penalty, but...let's be honest. He would never actually see the firing squad. He'd die long before his appeals were exhausted.

There's no ambiguity. He killed those four college students. No one else will be smeared through the mud; the remaining roommates are spared character assassination.

"How do you plead, Mr. Kohberger?"
"GUILTY"

 

[wendy44]

I wonder about it. Why now?

AT has been working very hard to get the death penalty off the table. When her last set of motions failed to do that last week, a plea deal was pretty much all she had left.
JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I’m so curious about the inner workings of AT simply because of her going after the case. At what point does she ‘herself’ mentally make the switch. She fought to have the case so she obviously starts out that way.

What happened between last week’s other possible suspects motion that the judge shut down and today saying he is guilty? Are we supposed to believe that she believed him up until today?

I know attorneys have to represent guilty people but she especially stands out because of how she put up a wall to block out all other work.

My 2 cents is that she did what she did so that if a plea deal happened, he could not claim that he didn't get good representation. I think (MOO) that she might have originally believed him, then came to realize he was guilty and needed to make sure there was no question later that he was coerced into a plea deal or anything like that. You could see where she was heading, into CYA land.

 

[Arkay]

I am shocked he took it. He has been stoic that he was innocent.

Yeah, he was lying.


JMO and apparently now the true truth.

 

[Warwick7]

I've always believed this verdict wasn't a slam dunk. I think if it had been, the DA wouldn't have gone along with a plea deal. The families were staunchly against it and IMO, a quadruple homicide so brutal deserves its day in court. There's only one reason a DA goes along with this, IMO. There was concern about the jury and whether or not they'd come back with a unanimous verdict.

MOO.

BBM
Oh, there's a whole lot more than one reason...

 

[GoJacks]

I thought other convicts are not fond of people who harm women, or high-profile prisoners.

He ticks both of those boxes.

I mean it probably all depends on where and whom he is jailed with. I don't really think bk will struggle with prison solely because of his charges per se. I think he will struggle in prison because of who he is. Loner, weird, and doesn't seem like he has any street smarts based off the evidence in his crimes alone.

Also are little Debbie cakes vegan? /s

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yeah, he was lying.

JMO and apparently now the true truth.

Jumping off this post. BK never actually said he was "Not Guilty" or innocent. AT said he was innocent. AT said "Not Guilty" for him, IIRC. As a child, I would not confess if I were guilty of taking a piece of candy. I would say nothing. This is how I interpreted what BK did. Won't say he did it, but won't say he didn't because that would be lying.

 

[Kaley Smith]

I thought other convicts are not fond of people who harm women, or high-profile prisoners.

He ticks both of those boxes.

I agree. Convicts are not fond of a guy who killed four innocent young people. His life will be in danger in my opinion. Not that I feel sorry for him one bit.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939870927996821716

 

[somequestions]

I think the prosecutors probably should have consulted with the families first before the plea deal. But demolishing that house before trial always seemed like a bad idea if you needed it later.

 

[mickey2942]

MOO, is that most of you are giving "credit" to BK. Re: "he is doing it for his Mama", "he is doing it because he...". Whatever.

We don’t know what happened. But, I believe that BK made a choice about the next 40 years of his life. He could either be in a small shoebox, no special privileges. Or a regular cell, with a job, opportunities for more visitors, lots of other benefits. He knew it was time, and he made his own choice about his future. He didn't want to let anyone else decide his fate.

Narcissistic to the end. All about BK.

 

[Tragg]

Her job but she didn’t need to drag this out. She was also seeking for the case to be a sensation for her own status. She initially was the attorney for one of the girls families ‘against BK’. She switched to this so fast and hard, it was so obvious.

Respectfully - AT did not represent one of the girls' families against BK, nor did she switch sides.

At the time she was personally assigned to represent BK, AT was head of the Kootenai County public defender's office, which had previously been assigned to represent Xana's indigent mother Cara, who was criminally charged for her own conduct in cases unrelated to BK's.

The judge overseeing Cara's case had the responsibility to assure that AT's personal withdrawal from the sentencing phase of one of the cases was in accordance with court rules and professional ethics.

At a hearing, AT told the judge that her name appears on every document in the public defender's office, but below that is the name of the attorney that represents the individual in the case. A felony case involving Cara was an open felony case to which she was not personally assigned before it was transferred out of her office.

AT explained that her practice is to transfer all cases that are pending withdrawal or have a bench warrant (usually over failure to appear in court) issued to her.

That is why a 2017 misdemeanor case in which Cara was already sentenced and that her office was waiting to withdraw from, ended up being assigned to her on October 20. The attorney who had represented Cara in that case left the public defender's office in September or October last year. AT told the judge that from October 20 until the date she withdrew from this case, she had no contact and no professional relationship with Cara. AT said she had not met her or provided her any legal advice.

AT also told the judge that she had spoken with Latah County prosecutor Bill Thomas and Ashley Jennings, senior deputy prosecutor, to explain the situation. People she spoke with at the Bar Counsel's Office of the Idaho State Bar agreed that there was no conflict of interest.

AT stated that there was no other person that she is connected to in BK's case, and stated that Mr. Kohberger is the only individual in this case to whom she owed a duty of advocacy and loyalty. The judge found there was no ethical reason she could not withdraw as Cara's counsel and continue to represent BK.

The Idaho State Bar has taken no disciplinary action against AT in the circumstances.

Bryan Kohberger's Lawyer Breaks Silence Over 'Conflict of Interest'

 

[sunshineray]

I don't really buy it was done to protect the families, especially when most of them wanted the trial.

JMO.

It will, IMO, protect them from a lot of the crazy sensationalism that seems to permeate trials recently...a bit of a trend really, IMO. I'm glad most of that will be eliminated from their lives. MO

 

[Gemmie]

It will, IMO, protect them from a lot of the crazy sensationalism that seems to permeate trials recently...a bit of a trend really, IMO. I'm glad most of that will be eliminated from their lives. MO

Unfortunately, IMO, this "trend" won't be going away anytime soon (or ever). It's not just trials. It's everywhere. Trials, vaccines, you name it. You can thank AI and misinformation for this "trend".

 

[HMSHood]

It will, IMO, protect them from a lot of the crazy sensationalism that seems to permeate trials recently...a bit of a trend really, IMO. I'm glad most of that will be eliminated from their lives. MO

If sensationalism is a problem during trial, let's just get rid of trials. This type of case should go to trial. Plea bargains are for lesser offenses.

 

[snooptroop88]

She told him, I can't do anything for you and he didn't want to die. IMO

Agreed. And while he doesn't care about anyone else's life, he definitely cares about his own. I'm not sure I'm glad he got this deal, it will be helpful to many in some respects. But the families are going to have more hurt upon them, once again courtesy of BK.

Right? Me too!

I hope he has to stand up in court like BTK and divulge all.

My mind is blown!

See, ok, this is jmo, but BK telling me or anyone else that "xyz happened abc day" means absolutely nothing because a murderer will lie. And this one especially seems like he'd be predisposed towards that. Will he take a polygraph if he gives information? jmo, I might be more receptive. But he also may be bonkers and believe his own lies. LE will vet what they can, but they're probably not going to be able to vet certain points.

Anybody know how the Kohberger truthers over in crazytown are taking this news? I guess BK must be in on the conspiracy against himself.

I'd say it's a Dark Day in Crazytown, lol. And while BK's getting far better than what he deserved, Crazytown's getting exactly what it deserves, jmo.

 

[sunshineray]

Unfortunately, IMO, this "trend" won't be going away anytime soon (or ever). It's not just trails. It's everywhere. Trials, vaccines, you name it. You can thank AI and misinformation for this "trend".

And some actual real people too

 

[Warwick7]

 

[Luna20]

Respectfully - AT did not represent one of the girls' families against BK, nor did she switch sides.

At the time she was personally assigned to represent BK, AT was head of the Kootenai County public defender's office, which had previously been assigned to represent Xana's indigent mother Cara, who was criminally charged for her own conduct in cases unrelated to BK's.

The judge overseeing Cara's case had the responsibility to assure that AT's personal withdrawal from the sentencing phase of one of the cases was in accordance with court rules and professional ethics.

At a hearing, AT told the judge that her name appears on every document in the public defender's office, but below that is the name of the attorney that represents the individual in the case. A felony case involving Cara was an open felony case to which she was not personally assigned before it was transferred out of her office.

AT explained that her practice is to transfer all cases that are pending withdrawal or have a bench warrant (usually over failure to appear in court) issued to her.

That is why a 2017 misdemeanor case in which Cara was already sentenced and that her office was waiting to withdraw from, ended up being assigned to her on October 20. The attorney who had represented Cara in that case left the public defender's office in September or October last year. AT told the judge that from October 20 until the date she withdrew from this case, she had no contact and no professional relationship with Cara. AT said she had not met her or provided her any legal advice.

AT also told the judge that she had spoken with Latah County prosecutor Bill Thomas and Ashley Jennings, senior deputy prosecutor, to explain the situation. People she spoke with at the Bar Counsel's Office of the Idaho State Bar agreed that there was no conflict of interest.

AT stated that there was no other person that she is connected to in BK's case, and stated that Mr. Kohberger is the only individual in this case to whom she owed a duty of advocacy and loyalty. The judge found there was no ethical reason she could not withdraw as Cara's counsel and continue to represent BK.

The Idaho State Bar has taken no disciplinary action against AT in the circumstances.

Bryan Kohberger's Lawyer Breaks Silence Over 'Conflict of Interest'

I saw this all play out, my recollection is not singular. IMO it was clear what was going on. You can scroll through earlier threads.