PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[Ghostwheel]

Xana's eating habits can be easily asked of the surviving roommates.

True, but that isn't what I am doing here. We can all find out at the trial. Many have made the assumption that JITB is what the DD was. That is probably correct, but I don't recall seeing it as a known fact anywhere. DD didn't say so, LE didn't say so. The correct answer to "Do we know what Xana ordered" is that we not only don't know what food item(s) she ordered, but we can't even say for a fact that it was JITB. We only assume based on what we have seen and putting pieces together. (that is 'we' as in the generic 'we')

But supposed she ordered DD JITB the day before, the bag was still there because they reused paper bags in the house for other things and the DD for that night was actually from somewhere else and THAT packaging was already in an evidence bag somewhere? That fits what we have seen, too.

At the moment, I, personally, can't say for absolute sure that JITB is what was ordered that night, though I do lean that way. MOO, of course.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The speculative scenario I shared recently about Xana noticing BK’s car circling her house was an exercise in seeing if I could get at least a part of an interesting theory posted in the comments section of this Gray Hughes video to make sense, given the known facts and the claims of the DD driver.

The commenter, guidothechihuaha, stated that Xana saw BK, and that he saw her, as well, which I left as an implied reason that BK stopped on the road next to Xana’s house just before the DD driver arrived. BK wanted to watch Xana watching him (well, his car).

The possibility that Xana noticed BK circling the house, that she pressed against the second floor window as she peered into the darkness, and that BK saw her too, is chilling and I hope none of it occurred.

However, I don’t know how it would actually work that BK noticed her looking out the window as he passed the house multiple times before the murders.

In this case, he’d have to know she’d be awake when he entered the house minutes later, even without knowing that the second driver was from Door Dash.

Would BK really sneak upstairs to murder Maddie (and possibly Kaylee) knowing someone was awake and able to call 911 mid-murder? That seems unlikely to me.

If BK saw Xana in the window with the palm print and went in anyway, he would have absolutely intended to kill her, too, IMO. But to have the chance to do that without her ruining his plans with an immediate call to 911, he would have killed her first.

I suppose it’s possible he indeed killed Xana first, but would that work with DM’s testimony, the thud, etc?

IMO

 

[LinasK]

True, but that isn't what I am doing here. We can all find out at the trial. Many have made the assumption that JITB is what the DD was. That is probably correct, but I don't recall seeing it as a known fact anywhere. DD didn't say so, LE didn't say so. The correct answer to "Do we know what Xana ordered" is that we not only don't know what food item(s) she ordered, but we can't even say for a fact that it was JITB. We only assume based on what we have seen and putting pieces together. (that is 'we' as in the generic 'we')

But supposed she ordered DD JITB the day before, the bag was still there because they reused paper bags in the house for other things and the DD for that night was actually from somewhere else and THAT packaging was already in an evidence bag somewhere? That fits what we have seen, too.

At the moment, I, personally, can't say for absolute sure that JITB is what was ordered that night, though I do lean that way. MOO, of course.

The Door Dash driver can definitely answer that. Also if Xana had a habit of ordering Jack In the Box food. I can't conceive of re-using bags that food is delivered in, because usually some grease leaks out from the food, and these bags are thin.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Still no order on the continuance (or the alternate suspect).

Alas, my definition of “in short order” and Judge Hippler’s differ.

 

[SteveP]

True, but that isn't what I am doing here. We can all find out at the trial. Many have made the assumption that JITB is what the DD was. That is probably correct, but I don't recall seeing it as a known fact anywhere. DD didn't say so, LE didn't say so. The correct answer to "Do we know what Xana ordered" is that we not only don't know what food item(s) she ordered, but we can't even say for a fact that it was JITB. We only assume based on what we have seen and putting pieces together. (that is 'we' as in the generic 'we')

But supposed she ordered DD JITB the day before, the bag was still there because they reused paper bags in the house for other things and the DD for that night was actually from somewhere else and THAT packaging was already in an evidence bag somewhere? That fits what we have seen, too.

At the moment, I, personally, can't say for absolute sure that JITB is what was ordered that night, though I do lean that way. MOO, of course.

As is par for the course, I cannot find the link now, but SOMEWHERE in all of these documents is a Door Dash ticket that showed a delivery from JITB, delivered to 1122 King Road, at 3:59. Gray Hughes also showed it in a video at some past time as well. JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

As is par for the course, I cannot find the link now, but SOMEWHERE in all of these documents is a Door Dash ticket that showed a delivery from JITB, delivered to 1122 King Road, at 3:59. Gray Hughes also showed it in a video at some past time as well. JMO

I can’t find all the info in one paragraph right now, but this will do!

Source: States Reply to Defendants Objection to MIL RE Self Authentication of Records



Appended page:


I know—hard to read!

Here is the first half of the above page rotated 90 degrees:



22.35 is the subtotal for Xana’s order. (The title of the column is clearer in the original document.)

Anyway, here is the second half of the page rotated 90 degrees:



And here’s the next appended page:

 

[SteveP]

Here is a screenshot for a Gray Hughes video about the Door Dash delivery/ He is showing part of a redacted delivery ticket that was in the court docs. By the gps coordinates at the bottom right, you will see 'Jack in the Box'. This is taken from the linked Gray Hughes video, and appears at about the 5:10 mark.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Here is a screenshot for a Gray Hughes video about the Door Dash delivery/ He is showing part of a redacted delivery ticket that was in the court docs. By the gps coordinates at the bottom right, you will see 'Jack in the Box'. This is taken from the linked Gray Hughes video, and appears at about the 5:10 mark.

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@SteveP, I see while I was editing my previous post to add the info from the court doc, you found the evidence yourself!

 

[SteveP]

@SteveP, I see while I was editing my previous post to add the info from the court doc, you find found the evidence yourself!

Another set of eyes is never a bad thing! Thanks for finding it, in case I didn't!

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I can’t find all the info in one paragraph right now, but this will do!

Source: States Reply to Defendants Objection to MIL RE Self Authentication of Records

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Appended page:
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I know—hard to read!

Here is the first half of the above page rotated 90 degrees:

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22.35 is the subtotal for Xana’s order. The title of the column is clearer in the original document.

Anyway, here is the second half of the page rotated 90 degrees:

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And here’s the next appended page:

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Another set of eyes is never a bad thing! Thanks for finding it, in case I didn't!

The DoorDash receipt shows the subtotal for Xana’s order, 22.35. Did anyone ever try to sleuth what she might have ordered?

 

[Chloegirl]

The DoorDash receipt shows the subtotal for Xana’s order, 22.35. Did anyone ever try to sleuth what she might have ordered?

Yes. It was like a snack pack thing. I am not even sure if they offer it anymore. There is no Jack in the Box in Moscow, so this was in Pullman. They have something similar for $22.99 now (game day munchies). JMOO, as I have never eaten from JITB.

Order Online | Jack in the Box

Jack in the Box

www.jackinthebox.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Yes. It was like a snack pack thing. I am not even sure if they offer it anymore. There is no Jack in the Box in Moscow, so this was in Pullman. They have something similar for $22.99 now (game day munchies). JMOO, as I have never eaten from JITB.

Thanks! So the “subtotal” on the DoorDash receipt doesn’t include the DoorDash fee?

I remember hearing that the only nearby Jack in the Box was in Pullman, and I believe the restaurant was open until 3 am?

Anyway, it makes sense that the DD driver, MM, picked up the order—though from Moscow, she was staying in Pullman with her boyfriend, at least at the time of her traffic stop in September 2024.

IMO

 

[I D Cline]

can you imagine that 7 foot tall skinny weirdo standing in the shadows? it's so disturbing and they can't hide his size or his weirdness in court. he is extremely unlikeable and unsympathetic. I can think of things that would help but I'm not going to say because I don't want to help him.

when the jury hears how he drove over there later that morning...any doubt will be erased.

mOO

DBM

 

[I D Cline]

@SteveP, both The Pocono Record article and the recent Daily Mail article say the same thing about the court documents, but neither provides a link to the docs.

The subpoenas for the two men are not yet on the Pennsylvania Cases of Interest page for Kohberger, though the list is “selective”: Commonwealth v Kohberger

I wonder when or if they will appear. We should know then whether the prosecution or the defense called them to be witnesses.

The link to the Pa Court documents is:

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

All of the witnesses called including the two today are to appear in court at 9"00 am on June 30th except for Maggie Sanders who got a continuance to July 7 at 9"00 am. The first 5 witnesses summoned appears to be by the defense.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The link to the Pa Court documents is:

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

All of the witnesses called including the two today are to appear in court at 9"00 am on June 30th except for Maggie Sanders who got a continuance to July 7 at 9"00 am. The first 5 witnesses summoned appears to be by the defense.

Thanks!

So, unlike the five previous witnesses, the names of the two new witnesses are not included in the single link to their summons:

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20250623/152158-june23,2025-summonsanddecorumorder.pdf

Also unlike the previous five summons, there are no amended exhibits, so we still don’t know whether the two new witnesses are called by Bill Thompson or Anne Taylor. (Unless I’m missing something ).

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Appended to States Reply to Defendants Objection to MIL RE Self Authentication of Records:



So the State requires a bit more than wunderground.com or timeanddate.com (my personal sources) to determine the weather conditions in the early hours of November 13, 2022.

The National Centers for Environmental Information has a website, though, and the public can access data there:

National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

 

[I D Cline]

Thanks!

So, unlike the five previous witnesses, the names of the two new witnesses are not included in the single link to their summons:

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20250623/152158-june23,2025-summonsanddecorumorder.pdf

Also unlike the previous five summons, there are no amended exhibits, so we still don’t know whether the two new witnesses are called by Bill Thompson or Anne Taylor. (Unless I’m missing something ).

William Searfoss is one page 1, Anthony Somma is on page 2.

 

[katydid23]

At one time, I thought that perhaps the DD delivery was made to the back slider, based on a supposition from Gray Hughes, using gps coordinates from DD, which contained a number that could not be discerned, with one of the guessed digits placing the delivery at the back. However, that was never a given, but only a thought, and after seeing the traffic stop video, where the woman told the officer that she takes hydrocodone for extreme pain from Fibromyalgia and arthritis, I am now of the opinion that it nay have been very difficult for her to negotiate the hill on the back side, especially in the dark, and so I believe that she very likely delivered to the front door, and was perhaps parked in the driveway area, or the street in front of the house. JMO

Yes, your reasoning above added to the thoughts of safety for a woman out alone at 4 am, I think she used the front door. So much safer to be on the front steps under a porch light, near the Main Street and visible by neighbours etc.

A DD driver at 4am has to be vigilant and aware of robbery or carjacking and a woman has added fears about assault or kidnapping. So I do believe she used the front door.

 

[Ghostwheel]

As is par for the course, I cannot find the link now, but SOMEWHERE in all of these documents is a Door Dash ticket that showed a delivery from JITB, delivered to 1122 King Road, at 3:59. Gray Hughes also showed it in a video at some past time as well. JMO

Thank you. I can at least search for it. Never mind. You guys are the best @PunishThenForgive and @SteveP .

Now I know that the DD was in fact JITB and that goes in the top half.

 

[Seattle1]

dbm -- answered.