PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

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  • #741
Oh, they’ll face him during victim impact statements.
Thank you, I didn't think about that.

I just cannot imagine what the families are going through right now. I have them in my heart and prayers. As a mother, I just cannot imagine the deep amount of pain.

Moo
 
  • #742
Is the only way to get the DP in Idaho though a jury? Or could the judge decide not to give four life sentences but instead the DP?
 
  • #743
IMO this should not have been allowed without consulting the parents of those who were brutally murdered.
The families,may have been consulted---from watching so much true crime, the familes are usually consulted and have to agree--they may not like it but more often than not families usually agree with
Why a plea was accepted or offerred and agree with it
 
  • #744
They don't have to. It is the State of Idaho against BK. I am actually surprised, I thought he would do an "Alford Plea", he still can. He won’t accept guilt, he just agrees there is enough evidence against him to be considered "guilty".
I think he’s going to have to plead guilty. JMHO
 
  • #745
I hope each family gets to speak directly to Kohlberger in open court, if they wish, before Kohlberger is officially sentenced at a sentencing hearing .
 
  • #746
I understand their fury…as best I can, but there is no slam dunk case ever. A hung jury would be a travesty as well.
Years of appeals. Probability he’ll never be executed. Families exposed to horrible details.

For the best.

I’m not happy though!!!
 
  • #747
Years of appeals. Probability he’ll never be executed. Families exposed to horrible details.

For the best.

I’m not happy though!!!
Agree 100%.
 
  • #748
I haven't followed this case but was under the impression that before a plea deal is given a defendant the victim(s) and/or their families were involved with prosecutors discussing it and basically had to sign off on it.
I was wrong, no signing off on a plea deal.

This is for the victim so a deceased victim's family would hold less if any input.


Who decides the terms of the plea agreement?

The prosecuting attorney is the only person who may choose to submit an offer to the defense. Once the offer is on the table, there may be negotiations between the prosecutor and the defense lawyer to come to a final agreement.

What are my rights as a victim in relation to plea deals?

  1. Notification: Victims have the right to be notified of the plea before it is submitted to the defense. If the prosecutor has made reasonable attempts to contact the victim and they were unable to do so, the prosecutor may move ahead with the offer.
  2. Right to Confer: Victims have the right to discuss the plea with the prosecuting attorney and express how they feel about the plea offer.
Important note: Victims do not have the right to prevent the attorney from offering, withdrawing, or changing the terms of a plea deal. This means that the prosecutor can still offer the plea, even if you disagree. This also means that the prosecutor can refuse to offer a plea, even if you want them to. Victims also do not have a legal right to appeal the prosecutor’s decision.

 
  • #749
I hope his family abandons him. He did that to his victims, removed them from their loved ones forever.
 
  • #750
Years of appeals. Probability he’ll never be executed. Families exposed to horrible details.

For the best.

I’m not happy though!!!
MassGuy, will he have to say how he did this? And then it is beyond a shadow of a doubt?
 
  • #751
Do we know if the Plea Deal, taking Death off the table, Was in exchange for Life WITHOUT the possibility of parole ?
Or will he get a chance for parole, although I hope the parole board would never agree to let him go free. The deal should never give him a chance for getting out of prison, considering he murdered four (4) young people, in Cold Blood, for no reason .
 
  • #752
Is the only way to get the DP in Idaho though a jury? Or could the judge decide not to give four life sentences but instead the DP?
A plea deal normally takes the DP off the table completely. If not, he and his lawyers were complete idiots to agree.
 
  • #753
A plea deal normally takes the DP off the table completely. If not, he and his lawyers were complete idiots to agree.

I understand that. But, isn't the deal just what is suggested to the judge? And the judge has the final authority? He could override the suggestions of prosecution, correct? (Not saying that he would. But I'm wondering if he could.)
 
  • #754
Years of appeals. Probability he’ll never be executed. Families exposed to horrible details.

For the best.

I’m not happy though!!!
I hate to say it but I have changed by mind about a trial and DP. I wanted his life for theirs. But then I thought of the jurors who would have to go through all the evidence. There wouldn’t be a mistrial or a hung jury. Conviction would be a sure thing but the jurors lives would be destroyed. I don’t wish that on anyone.
 
  • #755
So down the road, while BK is in prison, will he be able to grant interviews and give input to books that are written about him? Maybe this what what he had hoped for.
 
  • #756
A plea deal normally takes the DP off the table completely. If not, he and his lawyers were complete idiots to agree.

So is it safe to say that his lead counsel knew he was guilty? Just last week they brought up other potential suspects and the judge shot that down quickly.

He is disgusting, he has put everyone through this for what-just to be in the spotlight every day since his arrest.
 
  • #757
I don't think the timing of the plea deal and acceptance is accidental. The judge said no more delays, no more spaghetti-on-the-wall SODDI fantasies. Just the evidence we know is enough to convict him, let alone all the other evidence that would have come out at trial.

It's understandable that some or all of the parents want the death penalty. But that would mean appeal after appeal and some might not live long enough, since the average time from sentencing to execution is around 20 years. And every hearing would argue his innocence, over and over. People recover from the murder of a loved one; it's a trauma that doesn't heal. My psychologist friend says it's like a wound in a tree that doesn't kill it. The tree continues to live and grow but the wound is still there. My argument would be that every time BK filed an appeal on the death penalty, it would trigger every other wound made by these murders. Over and over. And of course, there had to be concern for the surviving housemates and the other young people who would be called to testify and relive the killings.

And finally, there is never a guarantee of a conviction or that a verdict isn't overturned on appeal. And even some plea deals can be mickey-moused by a bad judge, as the Rhoden killings in Ohio have shown us. The plea deal puts this monster in prison, 4 consecutive life sentences plus the burglary. He can't appeal. He'll never get out of prison.
 
  • #758
JMHO, but this is best for the surviving roommates, especially DM who actually saw BK. They deserve to put this nightmare behind them.
Bless Maddie, Caylee, Xana, Ethan and all who loved them. ❤️
 
  • #759
Was a guilty verdict really that sure of a thing? I don't think a plea would be offered here if that were the case.
 
  • #760
Rejection, sexual gratification, the usual... It was one of the girls in the upper bedroom probably Kaylee, but could have been Maddie. He had a thing for blonde girls.
How do we know about the blonde girl "thing"? I've tried to find something about that but had no luck.
 
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