PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[Tragg]

He and AT have been the best of friends so he would have a hard time claiming that representation was inadequate.

All the things she has lobbied for point to his guilt. Different trial location, no bushy eyebrows, more time, create the possibility for new suspects, etc.

Less than a month ago she said he did not kill anyone.

AT advocated for BK's innocence fiercely and never wavered in her public declarations of his interest. That was her job. She most likely advised her client that her motions to suppress evidence would likely fail and that he would be convicted, with the possibility of death as the penalty. Also her job.

 

[NavySubMom]

Two of the victims’ families are against this deal!

#1
“Goncalves' family, in a Facebook page her parents created after the murders, condemned the deal, which spares Kohberger's life.
"We are beyond furious at the State of Idaho," a new post reads. "They have failed us. Please give us some time. This was very unexpected."
…….

#2
Members of Kernodle's family also condemned the plea deal. Her aunt, Kim Kernodle, told TMZ that relatives were vehemently opposed to the idea when Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson's office first raised it over the weekend”
……
So two families against this deal .
Above from an article on FOXNEWS ,
I can’t get the link from the article to copy over.

 

[DizzyB]

27 states currently have the death penalty, 23 do not. LWOP would be the maximum penalty in almost half of the country.

 

[Gemmie]

BK is going to have a much better life now. He can get a job, hang out, make friends.

I agree with everything you said except your last comment. I doubt he'll be able to make friends. He's just.... awkward IMO. And no one likes a know-it-all. And I just get the feeling that hardened criminals he'll be housed with REALLY don't like know-it-all's. Or awkward people. I'd think they'd want to be seen with tough people. It's JMO and I could end up wrong.

 

[Gemmie]

Two of the victims’ families are against this deal!

#1
“Goncalves' family, in a Facebook page her parents created after the murders, condemned the deal, which spares Kohberger's life.
"We are beyond furious at the State of Idaho," a new post reads. "They have failed us. Please give us some time. This was very unexpected."
…….

#2
Members of Kernodle's family also condemned the plea deal. Her aunt, Kim Kernodle, told TMZ that relatives were vehemently opposed to the idea when Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson's office first raised it over the weekend”
……
So two families against this deal .
Above from an article on FOXNEWS ,
I can’t get the link from the article to copy over.

I think the problem is... it's not about what they want. SG has to have learned that by now. You'd think.

JMO!

 

[Derph]

So down the road, while BK is in prison, will he be able to grant interviews and give input to books that are written about him? Maybe this what what he had hoped for.

I know everyone hates this, the ability of these murderers to speak however, there has been a lot of good information that has come from these interviews. Think of the series Mindhunter. If info can be taken from him to prevent something this horrible from ever happening again that a good thing in my opinion. Either to prevent or capture someone else down the line, there is a lot to be learned from these kinds of monsters and their thinking however gruesome and unsettling as that may be.

 

[Luna20]

AT advocated for BK's innocence fiercely and never wavered in her public declarations of his interest. That was her job. She most likely advised her client that her motions to suppress evidence would likely fail and that he would be convicted, with the possibility of death as the penalty. Also her job.

Her job but she didn’t need to drag this out. She was also seeking for the case to be a sensation for her own status. She initially was the attorney for one of the girls families ‘against BK’. She switched to this so fast and hard, it was so obvious.

 

[Cedars]

Was a guilty verdict really that sure of a thing? I don't think a plea would be offered here if that were the case.

I don't agree. Getting a guilty admission from the killer's own mouth is far preferable to making it the decision of some poor jury. Resolves it all for good - no more uncertainty, no more conspiracy theories. Saves the limited resources of the justice system to apply to other cases. If he ever was executed, it would be so many decades from now, people will have forgotten all about it.

JMO

 

[Teche]

*jaw drops*

Wow....just. Really and truly wow.

Selfishly, I do hope that the evidence against him does come out in terms of things we have seen argued in court and wanted to understand (not talking about the gory details):

--more info on the knife sheath DNA (I want it settled HOW MUCH DNA was on it vs the Howard Blum it was only 20 cells stuff)
--more info on what the next door neighbor security camera saw in terms of DD driver and timing to BK's car
etc

Of course, I suspect that the Goncalves family will not be holding back when it comes to the details they know, but I don't know if they have access to some of the more technical scientific details.

Court TV is covering the breaking news. It started off with a comment posted by the Goncalves. The parents are outraged. Joseph Scott Morgan opined that it appears that the family wasn't duly informed.

 

[Kalanit]

I hate to say it but I have changed by mind about a trial and DP. I wanted his life for theirs. But then I thought of the jurors who would have to go through all the evidence. There wouldn’t be a mistrial or a hung jury. Conviction would be a sure thing but the jurors lives would be destroyed. I don’t wish that on anyone.

A strikingly compassionate thought, to spare pain Kohberger could inflict onto even more people.

And to spare further destruction to the surviving roommate who is a witness. The focus on her, the pressure of the burden to convict, the scrutiny of her character, the criticism of her credibility. Unnecessary if there is no trial. She can continue to heal instead of bringing her back into the international spotlight.
*My opinion.

 

[Teche]

Wowzers! I wasn't expecting this!!!
I really wanted him to go to trial.

I was waiting to see Judge Hippler in court.

 

[maskedwoman]

IMO this should not have been allowed without consulting the parents of those who were brutally murdered.

Hi there, I followed this case closely early on and had to step away from the forums for personal reasons a while back. This is always a touchy subject. Prosecutors often do consult with the families but, legally, the prosecutor's client is the STATE. They are supposed to do their best to get justice even if the families are not thrilled with the end result. The prosecutor's primary concern was making sure that monster never has the chance to do this again. And now he won't.

Just remembering back to how hostile Steve has been toward LE and the prosecutors all along, I sure wouldn't want to be the one to talk to him about any of this, especially if they had a vulnerability related to the gag order. I think he would have hit the roof and immediately given another interview to share just how upset he was about it. He wanted the death penalty and nothing else. Others did not. There was no way everyone would be 100% happy. I can see him insisting they go for it no matter what and being totally unprepared for how to deal with not getting the outcome he wanted.

 

[Sundog]

Her job but she didn’t need to drag this out. She was also seeking for the case to be a sensation for her own status. She initially was the attorney for one of the girls families ‘against BK’. She switched to this so fast and hard, it was so obvious.

IIRC, AT was never the attorney for one of the victim's family members. It was a rumor but clarified that the victims' mother never was represented by AT, but by the public defenders' office, and AT was named because she was the attorney in charge of the office.

AT never met with the victim's mother.

 

[wendybtn]

Do we know if the Plea Deal, taking Death off the table, Was in exchange for Life WITHOUT the possibility of parole ?
Or will he get a chance for parole, although I hope the parole board would never agree to let him go free. The deal should never give him a chance for getting out of prison, considering he murdered four (4) young people, in Cold Blood, for no reason .

Four consecutive life sentences.

 

[Luna20]

Her job but she didn’t need to drag this out. She was also seeking for the case to be a sensation for her own status. She initially was the attorney for one of the girls families ‘against BK’. She switched to this so fast and hard, it was so obvious.

“BOISE (Idaho Statesman) — Up until taking his case, Bryan Kohberger’s court-appointed public defender was actively representing a parent of one of the four Moscow stabbing victims her client is accused of killing, court records show.

Anne Taylor, chief of the Kootenai County Public Defender’s Office, filed an attorney withdrawal notice in Kootenai County Court for the parent on Jan. 5 — the same day Kohberger made his first court appearance in Idaho in Latah County. The parent was previously sentenced on unrelated misdemeanor charges”

Kohberger attorney represented parent of victim in Moscow homicides before taking his case - East Idaho News

BOISE (Idaho Statesman) — Up until taking his case, Bryan Kohberger’s court-appointed public defender was actively representing a parent of one of the four Moscow stabbing victims her client is accused of killing, court records show. Anne Taylor, chief of the Kootenai County Public Defender’s...

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Gigiky]

I believe this was his plan all along. Let it drag out to achieve as much infamy as he could.
Now he will go to prison and become a jail house legal aid. Inmates will flock to him to get his legal advice. Making offers of Little Debbie cakes and Hygiene products. Doing his laundry among other things. JMO. SMH!

 

[GOBliaison]

The plea deal offered to take the death penalty off the table, in exchange for Kohberger pleading guilty to the four first-degree murder charges and an additional charge of felony burglary. He’s expected to appear in court at 11 a.m. July 2 for a change of plea hearing, according to the letter, which was provided to one of the victims’ family.

If Kohberger pleads guilty “as expected,” he’ll likely be sentenced in late July to life in prison, according to the letter. If he doesn’t, the trial will proceed as planned. As a part of the plea deal, Kohberger will also have to waive his right to an appeal.

“We cannot fathom the toll that this case has taken on your family,” read the letter, signed by Moscow Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson. “This resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. This agreement ensures that the defendant will be convicted, will spend the rest of his life in prison, and will not be able to put you and the other families through the uncertainty of decades of post-conviction appeals.”

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article309739495.html

Wait a sec:
We already hypothesized that the court-appointed counsel has laid the ground work for an appeal premised on "ineffective assistance". Yes?

Second: I find it hard to believe that, within the precedential penumbra of Frankenstinian 'substantive due process', an accused's waiver of appellate rights could be found to be constitutional! Period!
What is the deal with these prosecutors? They don't seem to able to see past their nose(s).
To add insult to injury, a pile of pabulum is offered to the victims.

Now please correct me if wrong:
Our Patience-of-Job-Trial Judge is empowered to reject any plea deal(s).

 

[Luna20]

IIRC, AT was never the attorney for one of the victim's family members. It was a rumor but clarified that the victims' mother never was represented by AT, but by the public defenders' office, and AT was named because she was the attorney in charge of the office.

AT never met with the victim's mother.

She had to go before the judge to make this happen.


“BOISE (Idaho Statesman) — Up until taking his case, Bryan Kohberger’s court-appointed public defender was actively representing a parent of one of the four Moscow stabbing victims her client is accused of killing, court records show.

Anne Taylor, chief of the Kootenai County Public Defender’s Office, filed an attorney withdrawal notice in Kootenai County Court for the parent on Jan. 5 — the same day Kohberger made his first court appearance in Idaho in Latah County. The parent was previously sentenced on unrelated misdemeanor charges”

Kohberger attorney represented parent of victim in Moscow homicides before taking his case - East Idaho News

BOISE (Idaho Statesman) — Up until taking his case, Bryan Kohberger’s court-appointed public defender was actively representing a parent of one of the four Moscow stabbing victims her client is accused of killing, court records show. Anne Taylor, chief of the Kootenai County Public Defender’s...

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Moonchime]

I'm absolutely stunned to hear that Bryan Kohberger has accepted a plea deal. It really makes me wonder—what changed? I've always believed he was guilty, but I honestly thought his arrogance and smugness would keep him from ever admitting it. I'm very curious about what finally pushed him to take the deal and avoid the death penalty.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I want to know why he committed the murders and who was his initial target. Why did he feel it was necessary to murder almost everyone in the entire house??

JMO.

JMO!!!!!! And can't provide links to MSM articles because they were deleted as part of necessary cleansing of the info that first came out, also IMO...

At the very beginning in the first few weeks after their murders, Kaylee's parents (Steve most vocal IIRC, but his wife seemed to agree) said in an interview that:

Their daughter Kaylee was a regular or active poster on true crime websites.

Kaylee was a strong and vocal advocate and "ornery" (in a good way I took it) and an advocate for justice for crimes against women on one or some online crime forum(s).

They alluded to suspecting she may have encountered the killer online, and she could have irked such an individual, who could have gone after her and went on to cyber stalk her -- and when he found her on SM and then began stalking her in RL, decided to kill her and/or her close circle of friends if he could arrange such a thing.

Which could be why, IMO and MOO, he acted that night when Kaylee had returned to the house after leaving "early" in her final semester of college, due to someone stalking her and her being really frightened her parents said (not the guy(s) at the store, IMO) -- when she was just back for the weekend to be there for the Big Game and to say hey and show her friends her new vehicle and maybe see her ex bf Jack.

And:

The other 3 victims were either just in the way and/or he also stalked them and/or had it out for all of them too -- especially Maddie, Kaylee's best friend -- I've always wondered if he saw the photo on SM of the 4 of them that day with 2 of the 4 on the others' shoulders and looking so happy and full of life -- and was in a rage they were so Fortunate when he was such a Loser -- with Kaylee back one last time, and thought it was A Perfect Opportunity to lay in wait for them at the house they would likely all be in late that night.

He had been waiting for the right opportunity to present itself to murder Kaylee who he had been stalking since encountering her on true crime forums likely months or a year before he moved there, and had been thwarted by her leaving her final semester early and moving back home.

Anyone else there at the time if/when he had the opportunity, he was going to murder too -- he might have even been planning a quadruple murder if he could pull it off to emulate some SKs he had "studied" like the BTK whose first murder was a quadruple murder.

The opportunity presented itself which he knew about from stalking her/them.

Their place was a "party house" with people coming and going, and there was a lot of activity around their community and fraternity/sorority row that night -- so he could slip in and out if he waited long enough -- which ended up being 4 am, after the DD delivery to Xana and Kaylee and Maddie had given up trying to call Jack multiple times in the hour or so before.

It was the 13th of November -- the 13th anything being connected to/baked into some criminals reasons as to the date to commit a crime, JMO and anecdotal.

This is what, IMO, was the genesis of these crimes:

Steve said he suspected Kaylee may have met a sicko/psycho in an online crime forum and she was being stalked and was afraid -- and that is why she moved back home early in the last semester of her Senior year -- and the one weekend she returned, she and her friends and housemates were all murdered.

It is all at the end of this long tragedy and travesty, JMO and MOO, and doesn't mean I don't accept other theories as being plausible, and what is written here is the reality of BK's MO.

It's just I can't forget what Kaylee's parents said AT FIRST what their knowledge of her situation of late was and what their initial intuition might be telling them -- because everyone was at a horrible loss as to why these sweet innocent young adults had been murdered so horrendously in cold blood initially with no obvious POIs, suspects. or MO.

I sometimes have wondered if Kaylee's parents thinking what I've laid out here (again MOO!!) is why they're for BK getting the DP, because they still think he really went after her and killed her and her 3 friends just because she was standing up for women's rights in an online crime forum.

Unless BK "does tell", maybe no one will ever know and only a few people will look at it this way.

IMO JMO MOO, thinking of the 4 of them, and hoping this plea will be or become a positive, healing aspect of this case for their families, friends, and communities. And may they rest in peace.