PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Seattle1]

Now the the livestream is complete, you can access on YT the transcript of the AP video of the stream.

--I do hope we find how they ascertained he parked behind and above. DD driver? Someone in that apartment complex glancing out?
--Prosecutor: "We will not represent that he intended to commit all of the murders that he did
that night."
--Prosecutor: "the defendant's car was seized and it was actually pretty much disassembled internally, and it also had been cleaned. There was a bucket of cleaner right beside it. " (note: not clear to me if BT meant that the car was taken in and disassembled in a search for evidence, which we know they did do, or if he meant that when they initially looked in the car it was in that state. Because BT does jump around a bit, I suspect the disassembled referred to how the car was analyzed by FBI/LE).


This part jumped out at me, and I'm so so so curious:

Hippler: I want to also make for the record the defendant has provided with the
guilty plea advisory form a document entitled "written factual basis" that purports to have the defendant's signature dated 1 July 2025. Did you sign that document?
BK: Yes.
Hippler: And did you agree with the written factual basis that is included there?
BK: Yes.

Now, the judge termed what the prosecutor was then going to present to the court verbally as "its recitation of its factual basis had this case gone to trial."

So...is BK the author of the "written factual basis" document that he signed and was returned to the judge along with his guilty plea advisory questionnaire? Or was it a document written by the prosecution that contained basically what Brian Thompson presented in today's hearing as a recitation of the factual basis, and then BK signed it as being true?

Two separate docs -- one by BK (answers to a questionnaire), and the later by Thompson (factual outline of State's case). Thompson presented what the State would prove had they gone to trial.

 

[Arkay]

Sending much love and healing vibes to your dad, and you, and your family!

Thank you so much!!

 

[seasideForest]

During the reading of their statement, Maddie's mother would often shake her head in positive acknowledgement of various points made in the statement. And at the end of their press conference, she gave their victims' rights attorney a big hug. The family's statement said that today they have closure and now they will move forward with their healing and hope for the future (my paraphrase). They said they support the plea deal 100%. It was a very positive and uplifting statement.

Yes, I agree with you. I was responding to another poster who didn't quite see it that way.

I think it is possible that they will still go through periods of grief / grieving because that's part of the healing process. Grieving can include anger, not just sadness, and I don't think you can decide not to feel those emotions anymore. But I hope they are now strong enough not to get lost in those emotions for weeks and months. MOO

 

[Diddian]

Wow, powerful and amazing statement.

Very gracious statement.

Maddie resembled her mother very much in appearance. The photographs I’ve seen of Maddie all showed her smiling happily - filled with joy. It’s sad to see the face of her mother reflecting so much grief and I hope that the next steps in healing - putting thoughts about Kohberger in the rearview mirror and focusing instead on the blessing that Maddie was to all their lives - return some of that Maddie-like joy to her.

 

[Jw192]

He HURTS! He isn’t wanting to hurt anyone but the prosecution failed his daughter. Nor did they give him time to accept the plea deal. Everything was rushed. He is angry. He has every right to scream for days if it helps him heal.

Did you watch the hearing? It was mentioned that the judge himself only got wind of it on Monday, same as the families. He also explained why todays hearing needed do be done quickly.

Also, I can't understand what he's feeling but I can understand that he is feeling, and in my opinion he's really not doing himself favours. I don't blame him for being so angry as I believe that he wanted the most severe punishment possible which is the DP. However, I don't care how much pain someone is in, it is NOT ok to encourage randoms from the weirdest corners of the internet (Facebook say whut) to go ahead and phone up a judge and bombard him. It is NOT ok to do the same with the prosecution team and LE who have worked their bums off for knocking on 3 years to find out who killed his daughter,, build a huge case and discovery and done their damnedest to ensure that he is never ever free to kill someone else's daughter. Also, it is NOT ok to give a news interview that will be shown all over, threats towards the Kohberger family! They didn't harm anybody, they didn't do anything wrong and it isn't their fault that their son is a monster. They're victims too.
So are the families of the other 3 students, they hurt just as much as SG and just because they aren't spitting venom into any mic put in front of them, it doesn't mean that they hurt less.
He's lost the plot imo and needs a damn good therapist as if he carries on this way with the threats and the encouragement of threats towards people, he will find himself behind bars

ETA - Some have mentioned the whole flight time thing could be SG believing that the kohbergers were told of the plea prior to the families. We won't know that unless he elaborates on what he meant, though it could also be seen as threatening - as in ohh I know their movements, I know where they are - sorta thing y'know

 

[gremlin444]

@MassGuy, I heard the judge ask the defense atty if she was asking for all the evidence to be kept from the public (my words because i forgot exact wording), and she said yes, so how are you sure there will ever be any discovery?

From the YT generated transcript of the AP stream:

Hippler: And council, obviously there have been a number of motions filed to suppress evidence in this case. Other than those filed, are there any other motions that you felt were available with respect to rule 12?
Anne Taylor: No, your honor.

rule 12 refers to this:

I.C.R. 12. Pleadings and Motions Before Trial - Form of Pleadings - Defenses and Objections. | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

That's all that was mentioned.

 

[seasideForest]

Very gracious statement.

Yes! They thanked so many people and sent prayers to so many, including the two firefighters who were shot and killed in Coeur d'Alene. IMO to be able to do that they must be gracious people and they must have reached some form of closure.
MOO

 

[ilovewings]

Thank you so much!!

Arkay--prayers for you and your father---

 

[gremlin444]

Two separate docs -- one by BK (answers to a questionnaire), and the later by Thompson (factual outline of State's case). Thompson presented what the State would prove had they gone to trial.

I understand BK filled out the guilty plea advisory form which has a questionnaire. Turned in along with that form was a document signed by BK entitled "written factual basis."

My question is whether that "written factual basis" is a document that he authored and then signed, thereby outlining what he says happened. Or is it essentially a document written by the prosecution presenting pretty much what Brian Thompson went over in trial today, and BK read it and signed it in agreement that it was an accurate factual presentation of what happened?

 

[bestill]

What is significant about the timing of the K family flight records?

My guess they flew in or scheduled their flights prior to the plea bargain agreement and he's angry that they were involved in the negotiations and the victims families were left out. Believe we will be hearing more about that from the G's.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I think that we all wonder why he chose this group of young people. I am additionally perplexed as to why he felt the need to enter X's bedroom and murder a sleeping victim? What was the point of doing that? Those other two girls were extremely lucky that he didn't go after them. There's no way that he saw the girl at her door and probably didn't realize that there was an occupied basement level.

JMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

 

[seasideForest]

the victims families were left out

Were all the victims' families 'left out' or just the G's? It doesn't sound as if Maddie's mother and stepfather felt 'left out'. MOO

 

[Joe Friday]

Hopefully some day soon, BK's name can be added to one of these two lists of notorious criminals.


Jeffrey Epstein
Israel Keyes
Ted Kaczynski
Aaron Hernandez
John C. Salvi III
Philip Markoff

Jeffrey Dahmer
Albert DeSalvo
Donald Harvey
Charles Schmid
James "Whitey" Bulger



JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The use of IGG as an investigative tool in an active case is an issue of first impression in Idaho and not yet tested in the courts there or by the Supreme Court. That alone makes this case different. I think they were right to not take the chance. We have no idea how the higher courts will eventually come down on this.
JMO

As I've said aplenty, a death penalty conviction can be overturned by appeal or be upended (not a legal term, LOL) by a change in law.

 

[Arkay]

Yes! They thanked so many people and sent prayers to so many, including the two firefighters who were shot and killed in Couer d'Alène. IMO to be able to do that they must be gracious people and they must have reached some form of closure.
MOO

Absolutely. I thought it was incredibly gracious of Maddie’s family to remember the firemen who were just murdered in Idaho.

Maddie really was the picture of her mother. I’m grateful that this family feels happy about the plea and that it gives them closure.

I’ve defended the Goncalves family from the start, as people have different personalities and this is how Steve is dealing with this unquenchable pain.

I can’t condone, though, an undercurrent of a threat to BK’s parents. It has to be remembered, even by Steve G., that the Kohberger parents haven’t killed anyone.

I figure he’s just so resentful that Bryan was ever even created, but no one thinks as they’re conceiving a child that they’re birthing a murderer.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

Arkay--prayers for you and your father---

Thank you so much!

 

[Jw192]

Hopefully some day soon, BK's name can be added to one of these two lists of notorious criminals.


Jeffrey Epstein
Israel Keyes
Ted Kaczynski
Aaron Hernandez
John C. Salvi III
Philip Markoff

Jeffrey Dahmer
Albert DeSalvo
Donald Harvey
Charles Schmid
James "Whitey" Bulger



JMO

Fingers crossed!

 

[bestill]

Were all the victims' families 'left out' or just the G's? It doesn't sound as if Maddie's mother and stepfather felt 'left out'. MOO

Good question.

 

[MassGuy]

Will the discovery be made public? if so what's it take to make that happen? Does the judge just release it or is it a freedom of information act thing?

From what we've seen in past cases, once the seal is removed, organizations and private individuals can request that evidence.

I fully expect Hippler to unseal everything he can, as he's been pretty clear the only reason they've sealed so much is to protect the integrity of the trial, which is no longer a concern.

There's a lot of evidence and privacy concerns, so I'm sure it's going to be a laborious process for the court to go through this stuff.

But I'm optimistic we'll get a lot. It's just when.