PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Chimera]

This. While critical, DM’s testimony only really would have spoken to similarities in physical characteristics to the killer. I feel like the DD driver seeing him and his car as well as the video footage of his Elantra had him realizing he was cooked.

Yes indeed.
Forgot about the DD driver seeing him !

Surveillance footage is some of the best crime fighting tech these days.
Imo.

 

[bestill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940190227731222754

Did this happen? I missed the first half of the show.

 

[Chimera]

I think they need to be there, he needs to see the damage he's done to them along with the victims family. Tomorrow will hard for BK, he deserves all eyes on him. JMO

Bbm.
This ! ^^^
Esp. the bolded.
The brutal murderer destroyed so many lives.
Omo.

 

[mcmaffy]

A few queries for any sleuthers who are American lawyers or savvy with Idaho criminal procedure:

(1) barring any changes to the plea deal imposed by Judge Hippler, is Kohberger already bound by the deal or can he change his mind and decline it at Wednesday's hearing? Surely he is bound? If he is free to change his mind and the trial continues how could any jury be formed which didn't know about this plea deal and that he was prepared to plead guilty?

(2) is this "allocution" likely to include a requirement that Kohberger do something more than just simply confirm he accepts his guilt and understands the consequences of doing so, eg. will he be required to answer questions/divulge information regarding certain allegations such as the location of the knife and if so, what is the procedure for this, eg. who asks the questions, is he represented by Counsel or must he speak personally, must he respond and what are the consequences of giving any untruthful responses or refusing to respond?

 

[danablue1]

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Don't think.he's doing any favors except for himself. Taking the plea was for purely selfish reasons IMO

 

[Chimera]

A few queries for any sleuthers who are American lawyers or savvy with Idaho criminal procedure:

(1) barring any changes to the plea deal imposed by Judge Hippler, is Kohberger already bound by the deal or can he change his mind and decline it at Wednesday's hearing? Surely he is bound? If he is free to change his mind and the trial continues how could any jury be formed which didn't know about this plea deal and that he was prepared to plead guilty?

(2) is this "allocution" likely to include a requirement that Kohberger do something more than just simply confirm he accepts his guilt and understands the consequences of doing so, eg. will he be required to answer questions/divulge information regarding certain allegations such as the location of the knife and if so, what is the procedure for this, eg. who asks the questions, is he represented by Counsel or must he speak personally, must he respond and what are the consequences of giving any untruthful responses or refusing to respond?

Bbm.
Not a lawyer here, however the bolded bit is a great point which I hadn't considered !
Also considering it may be difficult to find any impartial jury by now.
Omo.

Eta : One would like to think BK would give an accurate account of that terrible night and where he hid the murder weapon; as opposed to risking the DP !

 

[Muddy K]

What do you hope/expect to hear from BK? If not tomorrow, soon.
For me it would be the following:

—when did you start planning this
—what was your motive; what were you hoping to accomplish
—were you targeting a particular person or this particular house
—why did you choose this person/house
—did you intend to kill everyone in the house; if so, why didn’t you
—what happened in the house from start to finish
—did you know someone had seen you; did you see DM as you left
—when did you realize you had left your knife sheath behind
—how did you keep your car free of blood
—where did you dispose of your bloody clothes
—where did you dispose of the knife
—how did you feel afterwards
—how did you feel when you found out LE was looking for a white Elantra
—did the movie your sister was in have any influence on your planning of the murders
—did any other serial killers inspire you
—if you had not been caught would you have done it again
—do you feel any remorse for what you’ve done

@StarryStarryNight thanks for this exhaustive list of questions. They're all relevant, and he can answer all of them with silence, lies, half truths or fantasies.

What I want is for him to be forced to give up his private experience of that night, the entirety of it, all those dark seconds that  still provide him with pleasure and which he thinks will continue to nourish and gratify him - he's banking on it - for the rest of his life.

IMO, it's completely wrong that he gets to kill them again and again, relive it whenever he's feeling the itch. Would that it could extracted from him, taken away from him forever and laid bare for all to see. Deprived of that night, he'd be nothing more than a husk, hollow and forgotten, which, come to think of it, maybe he already is.

 

[Luna20]

I have never believed once that he was not guilty. However, looking back to when he was arrested and allegedly asked "who else has been arrested?" gives me more of the creeps now. That was so rehearsed, methodical, so cold, so calculated. He wanted a phrase attached to him that would insinuate his innocence and that of someone else being involved.

It will be very interesting to hear what he has to say tomorrow. I would bet he has rehearsed it similar to the arrest statement.

Hopefully he will have to allocate, but I doubt very much he will express any sort of remorse.

He has probably rehearsed it for a year. He planned this, ‘he’ is controlling how it’s going down. He has put this show on and I’m sure he is enjoying the fact that no one saw this coming.

 

[Cedars]

(2) is this "allocution" likely to include a requirement that Kohberger do something more than just simply confirm he accepts his guilt and understands the consequences of doing so, eg. will he be required to answer questions/divulge information regarding certain allegations such as the location of the knife and if so, what is the procedure for this, eg. who asks the questions, is he represented by Counsel or must he speak personally, must he respond and what are the consequences of giving any untruthful responses or refusing to respond?

It would be great if someone in the news media actually researched and reported on these things, but I guess they're just too busy trying to milk every drop of melodrama out of this case, before it becomes yesterday's forgotten news.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Did this happen? I missed the first half of the show.

I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?

 

[trivialdrift]

my hope is that it comes with a full confession. Not just a quiet “guilty” in a courtroom, but actual answers. The truth. The timeline. The motive. The “why” that haunts so many of us.

A confession could finally give the families something solid. It wouldn’t heal everything, but it might help them breathe a little easier knowing what really happened that night.

If Kohberger pleads out just to avoid the death penalty without having to say what he did and why, it would feel hollow. Almost like he’s still controlling the narrative. These families deserve to hear the truth from his mouth, in his own words.

I understand plea deals can spare families the anguish of a trial, but truth is part of justice too. I just hope the prosecution pushes for that in any agreement.

That's not really how this kind of thing goes. The judge isn't going to ask him his motive. They ask questions like "do you understand the penalties you're facing if you plead guilty?" "Has anyone threatened or coerced you into pleading guilty?" and then for the elements of the crime part it's going to be questions like "do you admit that you willfully caused the deaths of the victims?" and "do you admit that these acts were premeditated?" The court doesn't care about motive for the purposes of the plea deal.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So I may have missed this answered, but once the plea deal is done, does all of the evidence come out?

There is no reason to keep anything under wraps anymore, at any rate. I don't know the legalistics of it, but when the guilty person was identified in my friends case, it all came out. And it had been under wraps for 46 years. Most of it I already knew, but there were quite a few things that were surprises. No one outside of a very few people knew what I did, though. LE keeps all the good stuff to themselves in case they need it for trial.

I have a feeling we won't need BK to say what he did, though we may never know WHY. The 'what' will come out because there are a lot of people with a lot of information that they are holding close. As I said before, do you (the generic you) think for one minute anyone who turned over video didn't save a copy for themselves? Do you think that there wasn't someone who pointed LE in BK's direction? Do you think that the camera with the footage from Dateline doesn't have more footage? Do you think there were not a lot more cameras out there? Does anyone think that Murphy just sat there and didn't bark at all and it wasn't caught on some camera somewhere? I think all those things and more are out there. BK doesn't have to say anything.

I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?

Yik.... let me pitch an opportunity to get some information for a book..... at least that is what I see.

 

[Sundog]

A few queries for any sleuthers who are American lawyers or savvy with Idaho criminal procedure:

(1) barring any changes to the plea deal imposed by Judge Hippler, is Kohberger already bound by the deal or can he change his mind and decline it at Wednesday's hearing? Surely he is bound? If he is free to change his mind and the trial continues how could any jury be formed which didn't know about this plea deal and that he was prepared to plead guilty?

(2) is this "allocution" likely to include a requirement that Kohberger do something more than just simply confirm he accepts his guilt and understands the consequences of doing so, eg. will he be required to answer questions/divulge information regarding certain allegations such as the location of the knife and if so, what is the procedure for this, eg. who asks the questions, is he represented by Counsel or must he speak personally, must he respond and what are the consequences of giving any untruthful responses or refusing to respond?

IANAL, but my understanding is that BK is not bound to the plea agreement until it is approved by the judge and BK pleads guilty before the judge. He can change his mind up until that time. He can also change his mind if the judge makes any changes to the plea agreement that he agreed to with the prosecution.

And as far as we know in terms of what has been reported so far, we only know that the terms of the agreement are that BK will change his plea to guilty, that the death penalty is off the table, that BK will not make any appeals regarding his case, and that he will receive consecutive life sentences for each of the four murders, along with the burglary charge -- i.e. a life sentence without parole. It has not been reported that there are any other requirements such as providing any statements or information to the court regarding the murders.

If there were such stipulations in the plea deal, I assume we will find out tomorrow. But so far, there is no indication that this was included in the plea deal.

JMO.

 

[vls12345]

yeah, wow, this does seem premature. until he actually enters a change of plea and until (if) the Judge decides to accept it, one would think that the gag order would still be in place.

there’s certainly no entry of any recent Order on the publicly available docket indicating the gag order is lifted/modified/no longer in place. For all we know he could answer “how do you plead?” with a “not guilty”tomorrow….however unlikely, crazier things have happened. JMOO.

This. I think this was jumping the gun. His guilty plea is not official until it's official. Imo.

 

[Arkay]

I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?

Oh, I agree.
She did state the law that prohibits her from giving certain information about students, past or present.

Then she basically said he didn’t act oddly or present any problems. Entin asked her, IIRC, if she thought she had any influence on his behavior, and she replied essentially that she and her colleagues are aware that a student may get interested in committing crime, but it is more or equally likely that their education leads to a career in law enforcement, etc.

She didn’t appear emotional in any way, just very matter-of-fact.

It does lead me to wonder somewhat——what is an “expert” on serial killers, (as she was introduced), when a budding murderer is sitting right before you but you don’t see telltale signs?

Either there were no signs, or she and her colleagues missed them. This alleged expertise is just academic, it’s not magic.

Also, as @Sundog mentioned, according to Entin’s reporting there is NO obligation in Idaho for BK to explain himself at all. I think it will be very perfunctory with no answers forthcoming.
IMO

 

[Teche]

Since the death penalty is off, I hope that BK will spend his life spent in solitary.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Since the death penalty is off, I hope that BK will spend his life spent in solitary.

He may be, if he’s put in protective custody. I doubt Mr. Kohberger will be popular in prison.

IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

He has probably rehearsed it for a year. He planned this, ‘he’ is controlling how it’s going down. He has put this show on and I’m sure he is enjoying the fact that no one saw this coming.

I’m thinking that tomorrow’s hearing is either going to be one of the most mind numbingly dull hearings ever…or…some wild things are going to happen.
I don’t know what wild things it might be and I’m voting more that it’s boring, but I sure will be watching.

 

[Luna20]

I’m thinking that tomorrow’s hearing is either going to be one of the most mind numbingly dull hearings ever…or…some wild things are going to happen.
I don’t know what wild things it might be and I’m voting more that it’s boring, but I sure will be watching.

What do you think his demeanour will be? Will he be nonchalant, stone faced like he was when he was arrested or giddy?

 

[MassGuy]

A few queries for any sleuthers who are American lawyers or savvy with Idaho criminal procedure:

(1) barring any changes to the plea deal imposed by Judge Hippler, is Kohberger already bound by the deal or can he change his mind and decline it at Wednesday's hearing? Surely he is bound? If he is free to change his mind and the trial continues how could any jury be formed which didn't know about this plea deal and that he was prepared to plead guilty?

(2) is this "allocution" likely to include a requirement that Kohberger do something more than just simply confirm he accepts his guilt and understands the consequences of doing so, eg. will he be required to answer questions/divulge information regarding certain allegations such as the location of the knife and if so, what is the procedure for this, eg. who asks the questions, is he represented by Counsel or must he speak personally, must he respond and what are the consequences of giving any untruthful responses or refusing to respond?

Kohberger can change his mind, but it would be suicide for the reasons you say.

A lawyer was talking about the process tomorrow, and said that it is highly unlikely the anything will occur other than the procedural stuff (using the words "guilty" for one).

I think only way that he gives information as part of this process, is if that was part of his agreement in the first place. Something like "we'll give you this plea deal, but first you have to sit down and answer some questions."

So if that hasn't been done, it won't be part of this.