Please Help Me to Understand

[jfk]

Consider me a conservative amongst the liberals you just bashed. If Boulder itself is so bad why is it consistently in the top 5 of the top ten desirable places to live? Please you know nothing about Boulder. How many murders does Atlanta have every year. Did it occur to you why they had so much difficulty with this murder. Its because on Dec 25th 1996 they had not yet had a murder that year. Please don't bash where there is no cause to. There is nothing about this murder that was routine.

clearly you've not read this book. i started it believing all the crap the media has fed me. i'm halfway through it and am aghast at what the Cops (who i thought were sandbagging the whole thing) had to deal with - they had plenty of crime in Boulder - the DA sent EVERYTHING to a plea deal, effectively making all his Prosecutors poor litigators. Attorneys have to practive, too.

They gave a plea deal to a woman (IN Boulder) who bought a gun, wrote goodbye notes to her kids, shot her husband, turned herself in and CONFESSED in four hours.

Don't tell me they didn't have murders in that county. they didn't have Prosecutors with a spine in that county.

 

[coloradokares]

It would be inaccurate to say they don't have any murders. Just far less than national averages and JonBenet was the first of 1996. Susanne/Susanna Chase was next. She was bludgeoned to death with a hammer. So it happens even in Boulder you know that 25 square miles of Colorado surrounded by the rest of reality. Yeah we know the drill. But Boulder has a lot of good in it as well....

clearly you've not read this book. i started it believing all the crap the media has fed me. i'm halfway through it and am aghast at what the Cops (who i thought were sandbagging the whole thing) had to deal with - they had plenty of crime in Boulder - the DA sent EVERYTHING to a plea deal, effectively making all his Prosecutors poor litigators. Attorneys have to practive, too.

They gave a plea deal to a woman (IN Boulder) who bought a gun, wrote goodbye notes to her kids, shot her husband, turned herself in and CONFESSED in four hours.

Don't tell me they didn't have murders in that county. they didn't have Prosecutors with a spine in that county.

 

[coloradokares]

Not only have I read the book. I lived it sort of closely without actually being one of the personal friends. It was the headlines we watched and read over the morning granola To be sure there was crime but the kid you could plea bargain. Robbery was a big deal. Its a University town. Big deal was the Halloween Mall festivities that liked to tore the mall down. So they tore the mall down. You should have tried driving near there for the longest time. It was rather quiet for a while. Then along came John Mark Karr....Its okay its worth whatever price we pay if we could find justice for this little girl. Yeah we had a sensitive kind of prosecution and we preferred zero growth . I worked in Boulder and shopped in Boulder McGuckins isn't just a name in a book to me.

clearly you've not read this book. i started it believing all the crap the media has fed me. i'm halfway through it and am aghast at what the Cops (who i thought were sandbagging the whole thing) had to deal with - they had plenty of crime in Boulder - the DA sent EVERYTHING to a plea deal, effectively making all his Prosecutors poor litigators. Attorneys have to practive, too.

They gave a plea deal to a woman (IN Boulder) who bought a gun, wrote goodbye notes to her kids, shot her husband, turned herself in and CONFESSED in four hours.

Don't tell me they didn't have murders in that county. they didn't have Prosecutors with a spine in that county.

 

[jfk]

It would be inaccurate to say they don't have any murders. Just far less than national averages and JonBenet was the first of 1996. Susanne/Susanna Chase was next. She was bludgeoned to death with a hammer. So it happens even in Boulder you know that 25 square miles of Colorado surrounded by the rest of reality. Yeah we know the drill. But Boulder has a lot of good in it as well....

yes, i was in no way bashing the city itself - like Phoenix, and even Aruba, the City of Boulder "proper" and its people i'm sure are just fine (my conservative white a** wouldn't last 20 minutes in Boulder, but i'm SURE its people are terrific and that the trees have LOTS of love) - it's the Particular KIND of people who want to share evidence (and flowers, Arndt?) with the suspects, refuse ALL search warrants, say things like they "don't believe in polygraphs" and other inept investigative procedures that i'm bashing.

Atlanta might arrest and convict the wrong serial killer (no names, but his initials are Wayne Williams), but at least we make an arrest.



someone needs to start a John Fitzgerald Kennedy Forum so i can get off these liberals' backs. they're about to win their token term in Office - i'll need to be nicer to them so i can take advantage of their fabulous health care.

 

[JMO8778]

yes, i was in no way bashing the city itself - like Phoenix, and even Aruba, the City of Boulder "proper" and its people i'm sure are just fine (my conservative white a** wouldn't last 20 minutes in Boulder, but i'm SURE its people are terrific and that the trees have LOTS of love) - it's the Particular KIND of people who want to share evidence (and flowers, Arndt?) with the suspects, refuse ALL search warrants, say things like they "don't believe in polygraphs" and other inept investigative procedures that i'm bashing.

Atlanta might arrest and convict the wrong serial killer (no names, but his initials are Wayne Williams), but at least we make an arrest.



someone needs to start a John Fitzgerald Kennedy Forum so i can get off these liberals' backs. they're about to win their token term in Office - i'll need to be nicer to them so i can take advantage of their fabulous health care.

Well at least ya won't have to go off to war,huh?

 

[JMO8778]

Why is this turning into a political thread? Of course Boulder LE were way too lenient with crime there,but that doesn't make them a good place to start,as far as bashing liberals goes.This is about murder,not politics.There are also other factors to consider,like messing up the crime scene,sloppy police work,etc.As well as I think money talks for some ppl,no matter which side of the political Ave. they're on.Connections,who you know,etc.,also come into play.JR being a big businessman,of course he had connections and commanded respect from certain ppl.
BTW,just because the R's went to church doesn't mean they were good christians,or even christians at all.Being a businessman,of course he had an obligation to make himself appear to be a good pillar of the community.It's just all part of running a Co. and the PR aspect of it.

 

[jfk]

Why is this turning into a political thread? Of course Boulder LE were way too lenient with crime there,but that doesn't make them a good place to start,as far as bashing liberals goes.This is about murder,not politics.There are also other factors to consider,like messing up the crime scene,sloppy police work,etc.As well as I think money talks for some ppl,no matter which side of the political Ave. they're on.Connections,who you know,etc.,also come into play.JR being a big businessman,of course he had connections and commanded respect from certain ppl.
BTW,just because the R's went to church means they were good christians,or even christians at all.Being a businessman,of course he had an obligation to make himself appear to be a good pillar of the community.It's just all part of running a Co. and the PR aspect of it.

i agree with everything you say. i'm just reading Thomas' book right now, and it sheds good light on the way the HARD left (Koby, Hunter) think; yes, the Uniforms messed up the crime scene, a lot, and since Arndt was the first of all of them to get fired, it's apparant that she was pretty "confused", too. no doubt the Police screwed up a lot. but i believe it was QUITE reparable save the fact that no one in the DA's office wanted help from anyone capable.

 

[coloradokares]

More than ineptness or stupidity. I think the "word" went down from the top. This is the Ramseys, Access Graphics, Lockheed etc. Gail Shoettler was the
Lt. Governor and they knew the Ramseys I think calls were being made from the onset once the 911 call went out. There is no other way to explain
the way Pam Paugh gained entrance to that house that alone all the rest.
I really think there had to have been special considerations politically. Just what political rock do you look under specifically.

you're right, SDave, i'm smart enough, too, just choose not to (try). i'm still leaning on the Left IN Boulder, not the city itself (I'm sure it's Beautiful) - anyone reads JonBenet and they're know how the LEFT have earned those cute little knicknames. just look at my quote about the Chief Granola himself below - it's their spinelessness that ruined the investigation.

 

[jfk]

More than ineptness or stupidity. I think the "word" went down from the top. This is the Ramseys, Access Graphics, Lockheed etc. Gail Shoettler was the
Lt. Governor and they knew the Ramseys I think calls were being made from the onset once the 911 call went out. There is no other way to explain
the way Pam Paugh gained entrance to that house that alone all the rest.
I really think there had to have been special considerations politically. Just what political rock do you look under specifically.

these are more things i haven't heard yet - Access was simply purchased by Lockheed, wasn't it? That murder shouldn't have affected Lockheed in any way. Unless, of course, there's something we don't know.

Pam Paugh gained entrance what? I haven't read this yet. PR's sis, right?

it would make sense that any political issues remained at the State level, since the Feds were itching to get hold of the case - if it were higher than that then we'd have seen the Feds backing off, too... i guess.

who knows how those slick machines run...

 

[Rupert]

Before it came out, I said John Mark Karr was a joke.

Later I began to wonder if the Lacy team used him to promote the idea that this is a DNA case and promote the intruder theory. I don't think it's a DNA case.

If it was my daughter, I wouldn't want to leave the country. I would have been waiting for Karr's plane to land.
That's why Karr looked so dumb on the plane. He knew he was innocent and all this attention was a bit much. He is now going to try to make money off the blood of JonBenet. Disgusting. Learn from him and then ignore him.

 

[Rupert]

these are more things i haven't heard yet - Access was simply purchased by Lockheed, wasn't it? That murder shouldn't have affected Lockheed in any way. Unless, of course, there's something we don't know.

Pam Paugh gained entrance what? I haven't read this yet. PR's sis, right?

it would make sense that any political issues remained at the State level, since the Feds were itching to get hold of the case - if it were higher than that then we'd have seen the Feds backing off, too... i guess.

who knows how those slick machines run...

Seemed like there might be connections there alright. Lockheed had bought Access and helped infuse alot of cash. John Ramsay said he was preparing to buy out Access. One theory I heard was that his daughter's death took him out as a player. Norm Early was in charge of security for Lockheed and didn't get any notice of the kidnapping by a foreign faction. Remember "early, early, early..." in the RN. Is it just a coincidence that both the cops onsite goofed up at 6:00 am and Norm Early was not apprised?

 

[BBB167893]

Or tree huggers as Rush would say. Right JFK? To worry about the rights of Americans even those accused of crimes is part of Truth and Justice. Let us not forget that it was the liberty minded or liberals who first set out to overthrow a British goverment which had no respect for the individual rights of the colonists. And I like Granola.

A lot changes in that kind of time.

you're right, SDave, i'm smart enough, too, just choose not to (try). i'm still leaning on the Left IN Boulder, not the city itself (I'm sure it's Beautiful) - anyone reads JonBenet and they're know how the LEFT have earned those cute little knicknames. just look at my quote about the Chief Granola himself below - it's their spinelessness that ruined the investigation.

That one I buy.

Later I began to wonder if the Lacy team used him to promote the idea that this is a DNA case and promote the intruder theory.

I definitely think that's what happened. She wanted to give a gift to her pals, the Ramseys. She should lose her license.

 

[narlacat]

these are more things i haven't heard yet - Access was simply purchased by Lockheed, wasn't it? That murder shouldn't have affected Lockheed in any way. Unless, of course, there's something we don't know.

Pam Paugh gained entrance what? I haven't read this yet. PR's sis, right?

it would make sense that any political issues remained at the State level, since the Feds were itching to get hold of the case - if it were higher than that then we'd have seen the Feds backing off, too... i guess.

who knows how those slick machines run...

There is a theory that PP is the perp, having been jealous of her big sis and her not having kids...

She not only gained entrance, she took everything bar the kitchen sink!
Then LE took her to MacDonald's and shouted her lunch!

 

[JMO8778]

I definitely think that's what happened. She wanted to give a gift to her pals, the Ramseys. She should lose her license.

Indeed.But I bet that'll never happen.At least she made herself look like an idiot in the process.

 

[4sure]

More than ineptness or stupidity. I think the "word" went down from the top. This is the Ramseys, Access Graphics, Lockheed etc. Gail Shoettler was the
Lt. Governor and they knew the Ramseys I think calls were being made from the onset once the 911 call went out. There is no other way to explain
the way Pam Paugh gained entrance to that house that alone all the rest.
I really think there had to have been special considerations politically. Just what political rock do you look under specifically.

I believe the "word" went down also. However not because the Ramseys were being protected out of some sort of croniism but because others high up were involved and covering up something bigger.

 

[JMO8778]

Seemed like there might be connections there alright. Lockheed had bought Access and helped infuse alot of cash. John Ramsay said he was preparing to buy out Access. One theory I heard was that his daughter's death took him out as a player. Norm Early was in charge of security for Lockheed and didn't get any notice of the kidnapping by a foreign faction. Remember "early, early, early..." in the RN. Is it just a coincidence that both the cops onsite goofed up at 6:00 am and Norm Early was not apprised?

Lockheed is pretty conservative about their image,aren't they? I think I recall reading somewhere that their married employees get fired if they get caught having an affair.

 

[4sure]

A lot changes in that kind of time.

No SD, liberals are still liberty minded. That hasn't changed. You just can't find many that are Democrats or Republicans. .

 

[BBB167893]

Anyone catch "the Lineup?"

A few weeks before the Karr debacle, a Boulder boy, an infant, actually, was beaten to death. Autopsy showed 27 broken bones in various stages of healing. Trip DeMuth said that didn't prove murder. (This is the man that claims to be an expert in the JB case?)

Well, NO CHARGES filed. Another rich family gets away with it with Lacy.

(Screaming)