Ramseys Indicted by the Grand Jury in 1999

  • #61
That is not quite true.
It has been stated that the head blow that cracked her head came first and it did not kill her immediately. She would have died eventually as she did not get fast medical help, but she did stay alive for a period of time after the head blow.
It is not a known fact that she was grabbing her neck to release the pressure of the rope. It's rather the opposite. It has been stated that those marks on her neck did not come from scratching herself with her nails. And there was no evidence of her scratching her skin under her fingernails. If she would have done that there would have been significant amounts of skin/blood found on her fingernails, but nothing unusual was found that would suggest that she was struggling. It is rather more likely that she fell unconscious right after the head blow occurred and did not regain her consciousness.

Family members skin cells, hairs, fibers and DNA are not significant in this case because they all lived in the same house and were present at the time of the murder. It is expected that all of these can and would be found. And actually, washing and drying, to my knowledge, does not remove DNA evidence. It has been stated that washing a clothing item with other clothing items will transfer the DNA found on all of them. Do this day, it has not been proven either way whether the nightgown was actually taken out from the the dryer or not.
Does anyone know if JonBenet was rendered unconscious immediately after receiving the blow to her skull? Or if she remained conscious for a few minutes after?
 
  • #62
Yes, why was the DA not concerned?
Maybe that issue was one reason JR was so eager to leave Boulder via his private plane. Did he ever state or imply that the phone conversation with his pilot, overheard by LE right after he discovered JonBrnet, was for a flight departing for his entire family or just himself?
 
  • #63
Does anyone know if JonBenet was rendered unconscious immediately after receiving the blow to her skull? Or if she remained conscious for a few minutes after?
It is difficult to answer this question with a 100% certainty if she was rendered unconscious immediately or some seconds later. I guess there is a possibility that she was "awake" for a short period of time after it happened. Possibly after the head blow there could have been a short period with visible convulsions, labored breathing, flow of saliva in semi-conscious state (sorry for the graphics!) as it has been noted to be happening after a severe head trauma. But we will never know for sure... only a witness can answer that.
But even if there was, that time most likely was short. Seconds, not minutes. The seriousness of her injury was so severe that it must have resulted in a brain damage of some degree. She could not have been conscious for long as her body started to slowly shut down - her heart beat, breathing and blood flow started to slow down right after the head blow happened.
 
  • #64
It is difficult to answer this question with a 100% certainty if she was rendered unconscious immediately or some seconds later. I guess there is a possibility that she was "awake" for a short period of time after it happened. Possibly after the head blow there could have been a short period with visible convulsions, labored breathing, flow of saliva in semi-conscious state (sorry for the graphics!) as it has been noted to be happening after a severe head trauma. But we will never know for sure... only a witness can answer that.
But even if there was, that time most likely was short. Seconds, not minutes. The seriousness of her injury was so severe that it must have resulted in a brain damage of some degree. She could not have been conscious for long as her body started to slowly shut down - her heart beat, breathing and blood flow started to slow down right after the head blow happened.
I believe the consensus of opinion by the medical experts was that the severity of the blow would have knocked her unconscious immediately.

My FIL fell and hit the back of his head on a hard patio surface and he was immediately knocked unconscious.
 
  • #65
Maybe that issue was one reason JR was so eager to leave Boulder via his private plane. Did he ever state or imply that the phone conversation with his pilot, overheard by LE right after he discovered JonBrnet, was for a flight departing for his entire family or just himself?
I believe that at some point much later on, he said in an interview that "we just wanted to go home".
 
  • #66
I believe the consensus of opinion by the medical experts was that the severity of the blow would have knocked her unconscious immediately.

My FIL fell and hit the back of his head on a hard patio surface and he was immediately knocked unconscious.
Yes, I believe that too and most likely it is what happened.
But I can not say that with an 100% certainty. It is a question with a small room of doubt as we do not have any statements from anyone who actually witnessed what was happening. But I do agree with the experts on this matter.
 
  • #67
  • #68
michael91,
The juror said he believes that there was enough evidence to indict John and Patsy Ramsey for a crime, but he doesn’t think they would have been convicted.

“There is no way that I would have been able to say, ‘Beyond a reasonable doubt, this is the person,’” the juror said. “And if you are the district attorney, if you know that going in, it’s a waste of taxpayer dollars to do it.”

Still, he says the grand jury did recommend charges against John and Patsy Ramsey, indicating the jurors believed they placed JonBenet in a situation resulting in her death.

But, in an astonishing turn of events, the prosecutor nullified the findings of his own grand jury, saying he and his prosecution task force believed they did not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who had been investigated at that time.

Much later, in 2008, then-Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy wrote a letter saying she was clearing the Ramseys of any involvement in JonBenet’s death.
“We didn’t know who did what,” one juror told the Camera, “but we felt the adults in the house may have done something that they certainly could have prevented, or they could have helped her, and they didn’t.”

Link

However, the Grand Jury may or may not have been privy to the details of the fiber evidence that was later revealed in the Atlanta 2000 interviews (Patsy's fibers in the knots of the garrotte, for example).
If not, this may have provided a little more clarity as to who they should've given first-degree murder charges.

Fiber evidence article

Note: That article was published in April of 2000, the sit-down with the Ramseys with the Boulder DA and BPD in Atlanta was in August of 2000. Those details could've been discovered from the very recent review of the hair and fiber evidence.
 

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