Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #13

[Rocket333]

Yes you could be right but police didn't need to make the phone discovery so public, they could have just told him. Same with the location of where they took him the 2nd time. They even gave the media the exact location. That was not for PS or needed to get out for general public knowledge

Nah, let him watch it live.
Let him see the relentless effort, and the closing in.
Let his supporters watch and wonder.
Let them go hard if it helps find Sam.

Let the community participate in the celebration and feel safer about crime being taken seriously in Ballarat.

Televise it so there’s no doubt.

 

[Kemug]

I'm just trying to remember about the phone in the dam/pond/lake whatever it was. Wasn't it decided that it was probably tossed from a passing car? Although it could have been from the driver's window or the passenger's window. I hope someone has a better memory than me! But I was just thinking that an athletic footballer would have a pretty strong throw. However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

 

[Bats]

I'm just trying to remember about the phone in the dam/pond/lake whatever it was. Wasn't it decided that it was probably tossed from a passing car? Although it could have been from the driver's window or the passenger's window. I hope someone has a better memory than me! But I was just thinking that an athletic footballer would have a pretty strong throw. However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

I think that's what happened @Kemug

I'm not sure there's any other logical explanation is there?

 

[kurtneverdied]

I'm just trying to remember about the phone in the dam/pond/lake whatever it was. Wasn't it decided that it was probably tossed from a passing car? Although it could have been from the driver's window or the passenger's window. I hope someone has a better memory than me! But I was just thinking that an athletic footballer would have a pretty strong throw. However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

I don't think anything was decided at all. Just all speculation.

 

[Porky1]

How Borce did it is a mystery, shows you what fear can promote the human body to do.

Gittany actually lifted Lisa's dead body over a the fencing on the balcony.

I thought Borce’s brother was suspected of helping him, although I don’t recall whether he was charged.

And Gittany, I thought he threw Lisa over the balcony and she died on impact.

Both shocking murders which I followed closely but it seems my memory is a little hazy.

 

[kurtneverdied]

Nah, let him watch it live.
Let him see the relentless effort, and the closing in.
Let his supporters watch and wonder.
Let them go hard if it helps find Sam.

Let the community participate in the celebration and feel safer about crime being taken seriously in Ballarat.

Televise it so there’s no doubt.

Yep probably the most plausible answer.
I'm certainly not adamant on the 3rd party theory but felt like discussing it and seeing what we all think here.

 

[kurtneverdied]

BTW people that say Ballarat is a small town and everyone knows each other, I would disagree having lived there. Population of 120,000. It's no small town and very spread out.
There's probably 5 versions of a story. And all stem from a person seeing visions on Reddit.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I'm just trying to remember about the phone in the dam/pond/lake whatever it was. Wasn't it decided that it was probably tossed from a passing car? Although it could have been from the driver's window or the passenger's window. I hope someone has a better memory than me! But I was just thinking that an athletic footballer would have a pretty strong throw. However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

We have not been told that the accused was the one who put her phone into the dam

With the injuries he's supposedly still suffering from, some serious injuries, three months before being accused of murdering Samantha, and still receiving treatment in the hospital

I would find it hard for him to lift her alone...

A broken pelvis alone can take even 12 months to fully heal, including then regaining strength, mobility, and depending on the severity of the fracture. They can be a bugger!

A fractured vertebra can take around three months to heal, but it depends on whether surgery is required; it can take longer


My thoughts from the beginning are that there is more to this

He's pleading not guilty





The crash left Stephenson - the son of former Richmond and Geelong AFL player Orren Stephenson - with serious injuries that required two weeks of hospital treatment.

Those injuries included a fractured vertebra, lacerated spleen, broken pelvis and ribs and minor head trauma.

Police allege he would go on to murder Ms Murphy just three months later despite his injuries.

Stephenson's lawyer Moya O'Brien told the court her client still suffered from those injuries, which had seen him return to hospital while behind bars.

The court heard Stephenson had lost control on a bend, going into a slide that left him crippled on the road.

Major update on Sam Murphy's alleged killer as he appears in court

The man accused of murdering Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has made a sensational appearance in court.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Bats]

I would find it hard for him to lift her alone...

A broken pelvis alone can take even 12 months to fully heal, including then regaining strength, mobility, and depending on the severity of the fracture. They can be a bugger!

A fractured vertebra can take around three months to heal, but it depends on whether surgery is required; it can take longer

Not difficult if he's on cocaine....

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Not difficult if he's on cocaine....

Where does it say he was on cocaine when he killed Samantha?

 

[Bats]

Where does it say he was on cocaine when he killed Samantha?

Nowhere.

 

[Spectrix]

Not difficult if he's on cocaine....

Do you have much experience moving corpses while on cocaine?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Nowhere.

To be able to carry out such an organised crime without detection, leaving no evidence, including hiding a body from numerous searchers and police, suggests that if he is guilty, then he was more than likely coherent at the time and not severely drug-affected.

 

[Bats]

To be able to carry out such an organised crime without detection, leaving no evidence, including hiding a body from numerous searchers and police, suggests that if he is guilty, then he was more than likely coherent at the time and not severely drug-affected.

I think you're making a few assumptions there @Scooby-Doo... which is fine but with so little evidence being released to the public it may be a stretch to call it "such an organised crime".

I think the defence team were given many folders of evidence were they not?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I think you're making a few assumptions there @Scooby-Doo... which is fine but with so little evidence being released to the public it may be a stretch to call it "such an organised crime".

I think the defence team were given many folders of evidence were they not?

If he was off his face, he's done a really good job of hiding any evidence at the site of her so-called demise

I wouldn't be getting hung up on the volume of evidence.
Convictions are based on the quality of evidence, not quantity.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I'm just trying to remember about the phone in the dam/pond/lake whatever it was. Wasn't it decided that it was probably tossed from a passing car? Although it could have been from the driver's window or the passenger's window. I hope someone has a better memory than me! But I was just thinking that an athletic footballer would have a pretty strong throw. However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

If you'd just murdered somebody, or come into possession of an item you know or suspect is linked to a murder, I can't see you being so carefree as to throw the item from a car, that's possibly in motion, into a nearby dam that's not that big. It just seems like there's too much on the line to potentially get it wrong in your one and only try.

I'd think it would be much more likely that you'd pull over on the same side of the road, wait for no cars, then hide in the bushes and give it your very best shot. If a car did come by, I maintain my thoughts that your average Aussie who saw a guy get out of his car in the country and head for a bush would assume he's answering a call of nature and not give it a second thought.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

We have not been told that the accused was the one who put her phone into the dam

With the injuries he's supposedly still suffering from, some serious injuries, three months before being accused of murdering Samantha, and still receiving treatment in the hospital

I would find it hard for him to lift her alone...

A broken pelvis alone can take even 12 months to fully heal, including then regaining strength, mobility, and depending on the severity of the fracture. They can be a bugger!

A fractured vertebra can take around three months to heal, but it depends on whether surgery is required; it can take longer


My thoughts from the beginning are that there is more to this

He's pleading not guilty





The crash left Stephenson - the son of former Richmond and Geelong AFL player Orren Stephenson - with serious injuries that required two weeks of hospital treatment.

Those injuries included a fractured vertebra, lacerated spleen, broken pelvis and ribs and minor head trauma.

Police allege he would go on to murder Ms Murphy just three months later despite his injuries.

Stephenson's lawyer Moya O'Brien told the court her client still suffered from those injuries, which had seen him return to hospital while behind bars.

The court heard Stephenson had lost control on a bend, going into a slide that left him crippled on the road.

Major update on Sam Murphy's alleged killer as he appears in court

The man accused of murdering Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has made a sensational appearance in court.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good point regarding his pre-existing and still healing injuries. Certainly would have made it that much harder for PS if acting alone.

 

[Trooper]

I thought Borce’s brother was suspected of helping him, although I don’t recall whether he was charged.

And Gittany, I thought he threw Lisa over the balcony and she died on impact.

Both shocking murders which I followed closely but it seems my memory is a little hazy.

Re Lisa and Gittany, indeed she was alive when thrown off the balcony, I, not you , was in error there. 15 floors up... she was , in fact , still alive when she hit the ground, he was able to life a live body, fully conscious , over a safety barrier on a balcony, even more difficult.. a truly dreadful crime, may he never be released.

Regarding Borce's brother, he had the misfortune to casually stroll out of the bush where Karen was buried in a tree stump, just at the moment a Channel 7 camera crew landed there. He looked suitably uncomfortable, too. It seems obvious that Borce had told him where he put the body.. He was not charged, though,, not with anything.. VICPOL cast a wary eye over him, and could not find substantial criminal evidence..... he was an odd one, all the same.. .

 

[SouthAussie]

However after that I think I've remembered that he was still recovering from a bad motorbike crash? Help!!

The crash was in October 2023. Sam disappeared in February 2024. Everything that I have read about his type of injuries says the fractures would have healed by then. 6-8 weeks, typically, for fractures to heal. Up to 12 weeks if they are particularly bad.

imo

 

[Trooper]

Not difficult if he's on cocaine....

There are far more rumours re his cocaine use ... many stories about a party the Saturday night that he was rumoured to be in attendance.. some photos of him ingesting stuff, too.. ( turns out it was an 80th birthday party for some elderly gentleman ) far more of those sorts of rumours than the utterly baseless rumour that there is more than one person involved in this murder. That rumour is constantly referred to on this thread without any substance whatsoever being put forward... no suspects, no connections, no claim by VICPOL, nor the family, nor the current alleged murderer, nor from his barristers. nor from any newspaper report, It just floats around.. rather like the stuff about his injuries from his motorcycle adventures,


He was back working full time, when this murder occurred , his 'injuries' did not seem to affect his capacity to do rather difficult outside physical work like electrical installations, etc.. He was a footy player of some consequence in his environment, he had not , up till then,, ;lived a life of non physical pursuits.

Which he is probably doing now , since he is on Remand, not a lot of leeway there for training runs, and gym work, even diet, ... all would be subject to Corrections oversight.