Interesting comment from one young girl.
"Elisa Sousa, 17, said she was meant to be there, but ended up spending the evening at a family gathering instead.
"And honestly, I'll need to thank my mother a hundred times for not letting me go," she said at the vigil for the victims. "Because God knows where I'd be now."."
RSBMmy brother who lives near zürich is convinced a fire hazard like this would have never been allowed in the german speaking part of switzerland
The age for drinking alcohol isn't 18 everywhere though. It isn't in my country.Exactly
Till I turned 18
I was strictly supervised by my parents as I was legally a minor and under their care.
Going to clubs at night and drinking alcohol was something I couldn't even imagine doing.
I am disgusted that teens were served alcohol there,
making it normal and presenting as attractive and exciting (sparkles and all).
Kids should be protected!
In my country selling alcohol to minors is prohibited by Law.
Violating the ban on selling alcohol to minors is taken very seriously by Polish Law.
This is primarily due to concerns about the health and development of young people,
who are particularly vulnerable to the negative effects of alcohol consumption.
Furthermore,
selling alcohol to minors can contribute to the spread of social problems,
such as crime and alcoholism among young people.
#Upbriging In Sobriety!!!
JMO
in switzerland it’s 16 for ordering wine or beer at a bar, 18 for stronger drinks! and this bar apparently also served alcohol to 14/15 year oldsThe age for drinking alcohol isn't 18 everywhere though. It isn't in my country.
When I looked photos of the bar from before the fire I noticed a fire extingusher behind what looked as a bar. It seems as a photo taken by someone visiting the place. Is there a source for working fire extinguisers locked away in an unused room?So angry about all of this.
It didn't have to happen with a little foresight, and would have been preventable with at least one or two working outdoor exits from the basement and working fire extinguishers that weren't locked away in an unused room.
Imo.
When I looked photos of the bar from before the fire I noticed a fire extingusher behind what looked as a bar. It seems as a photo taken by someone visiting the place. Is there a source for working fire extinguisers locked away in an unused room?
See photo 26 of 29.
Oh I see what you are referring to. It does look like a large fire extinguisher. It will be interesting to learn if any fire extinguishers were deployed or what experts say as to if they would have been effective on that foam ceiling.When I looked photos of the bar from before the fire I noticed a fire extingusher behind what looked as a bar. It seems as a photo taken by someone visiting the place. Is there a source for working fire extinguisers locked away in an unused room?
See photo 26 of 29.
Yes, it's true that the staff has to know how to use it, but in the post I quoted it's saidIt is one thing to "have a fire extinguisher". It is completely separate from actually providing training to staff on how to use it, where it is, and designated staff member on duty for emergency response.
We realized this once, during a mandatory fire drill, we really had no clue where the fire extinguisher was, or what to do with it. Our plan was just to evacuate. And we stayed with that plan. But we did identify location of fire extinguisher.
Has this been verified? If that's true, then I would guess that's something that can lead to prosecution.So angry about all of this.
It didn't have to happen with a little foresight, and would have been preventable with at least one or two working outdoor exits from the basement and working fire extinguishers that weren't locked away in an unused room.
Imo.
There is a video in the beginning of this thread where a man is standing and trying to hit the flames with what appears to be a towel, or something. I would guess that it could have aided in spreading the flames instead. If the fire extinguisher had been used then, and the people at that moment had decided to leave the bar, instead of looking on to the attempts to extinguish the flames, the end result would have been different. The bar might still have burned down, but it would have given more people the time to get out.Oh I see what you are referring to. It does look like a large fire extinguisher. It will be interesting to learn if any fire extinguishers were deployed or what experts say as to if they would have been effective on that foam ceiling.
That one always sticks in my mind, too. My dad grew up in Bradford, and had a classmate who lost her dad and brother in that fireI believe the Bradford fire of 1985 is what usually gets shown in British fire safety videos. The 75 year old main stand at Bradford City FC's Valley Parade football ground caught fire during a match. Once the flames reached the roof, which was wooden and covered in tar impregnated felt, they flames spread along it faster than people could run to get out. 56 people died.
The moral of all this is if you see a fire - run!
When I looked photos of the bar from before the fire I noticed a fire extingusher behind what looked as a bar. It seems as a photo taken by someone visiting the place. Is there a source for working fire extinguisers locked away in an unused room?
See photo 26 of 29.
Regardless of future sentence
this guy is finished in "hospitality"/tourism business IMO.
Procedures in some countries may be lax or not properly executed
but the moment tragedy happens due to negligence
the owner becomes bad news, total failure for the Industry.
They cut such a person off, like a bad omen.
JMO