Türkiye - Fire at ski resort kills 66+ people, 51+ injured, Grand Kartal Hotel, Bolu Mountains, 21 Jan 2025

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www.abc.net.au

'Like an apocalypse': Fire at Turkish ski resort kills 76 people

Guests were forced to jump out the window of the 11-storey building to escape the fire.
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Big, comprehensive article here:

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www.theguardian.com

At least 66 people dead and 51 hurt after fire at ski resort hotel in Turkey

Reports of people jumping and climbing from windows after fire broke out at about 3.30am at 12-storey Grand Kartal hotel
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Awful.
Wasn't it Turkey where 12 people died at a ski resort last month?

Edit- answering my own question, but no it was Georgia.
 
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Sarahlou said:
Awful.
Wasn't it Turkey where 12 people died at a ski resort last month?

Edit- answering my own question, but no it was Georgia.
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Unfortunately, the colder months make for more structure fires (wildfires/bushfires excepted).

Given that this is thought to have begun in the restaurant, I'm wondering about an electrical short, a gas leak, or a grease fire.

The fact that it was the middle of the night means nothing, big kitchens in high end hotels never shut down completely. Even if there's no room service currently allowed to be ordered, there is prep and precooking beginning for the next day. If they bake their own bread, I'd be expecting that to be going in the ovens by 4am at the latest.

MOO
 
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I'm wondering about the construction of the facility... In the US there would be fire alarms and a sprinkler system, fire rated corridor, doors, etc. It would be interesting to understand construction materials used, including the wall system, door materials, compartmentation, etc. The pictures are alarming. It looks like many people didn't have a chance of survival.
 
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Warwick1991 said:
Death toll rises to 76. At least 76 dead in Turkish ski resort hotel fire

It looks like it could be a wood frame building, but I can't tell.
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It looks pretty darn intact the next day if it's wood throughout. If it was all timber, I would expect very little left, especially as they could only fight the fire from one side (the other is facing out over a sheer cliff, I believe).

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iamshadow21 said:
It looks pretty darn intact the next day if it's wood throughout. If it was all timber, I would expect very little left, especially as they could only fight the fire from one side (the other is facing out over a sheer cliff, I believe).

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It may be mixed materials - not uncommon today. Some possibilities include heavy timber structural framing, which is actually fire resistant, or concrete framing. The siding appears to be wood. I'm not sure what's supporting the siding. We don't know what the interior partitions were built from. I think we'll eventually see more information. After a fire, a shell can look deceptively intact. The articles note people trying to exit through windows, which suggests that stairwells and corridors were inaccessible due to flame/smoke.

For casualties of this number, and rapid spread, I would assume that fire protection measures left something to be desired...
 
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Warwick1991 said:
It may be mixed materials - not uncommon today. Some possibilities include heavy timber structural framing, which is actually fire resistant, or concrete framing. The siding appears to be wood. I'm not sure what's supporting the siding. We don't know what the interior partitions were built from. I think we'll eventually see more information. After a fire, a shell can look deceptively intact. The articles note people trying to exit through windows, which suggests that stairwells and corridors were inaccessible due to flame/smoke.

For casualties of this number, and rapid spread, I would assume that fire protection measures left something to be desired...
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Looks very modern inside.


The deluxe suite with fireplace looks like it's right under the pitch of the roof.
 
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Funerals have begun taking place. This short interval between death and burial is normal, as many Turkish people are Muslim.

www.abc.net.au

Children among 76 killed in Türkiye resort fire disaster

Authorities have now detained nine people following the fire, which ripped through a ski resort in western Türkiye earlier this week.
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Forty five victims have been released to their families, others are waiting for DNA confirmation of identity.

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Wood frame building, smoke detectors not working, poorly marked exits, no sprinkler system. A tragedy waiting to happen.


www.turkiyetoday.com

How 4 basic rules could have prevented hotel fire tragedy in Türkiye's Bolu - Türkiye Today

The Grand Kartal Hotel fire in Türkiye's Bolu reveals shocking negligence, ignored precautions, and over 70 tragic deaths.
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Witnesses said fire sensors and smoke detectors did not work, leaving guests unaware of the danger until the blaze rapidly spread through the wooden-clad structure.

The absence of a sprinkler system made the fire grow faster. Firefighters, stationed 45 kilometers (28 miles) away, took approximately 40 minutes to arrive. It took them 11 hours to control the flames.

Some guests attempted to escape by tying bedsheets together to climb out of windows. Others, disoriented by thick smoke, struggled to find the fire exits, which were poorly marked and difficult to access.
 
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Omg.
 
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IceIce9 said:
How could such a modern resort not have a sprinkler system and working smoke detectors? SMH
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The hotel was built in 1998, and last renovated in 2015. In my opinion, there's no excuse for not having comprehensive functioning fire alarms, clear escape routes, and suppression systems. This isn't a heritage listed hotel a hundred or more years old that has been grandfathered in to building codes. It's a modern building less than thirty years old. It was mandatory for it to install fire suppression systems by 2008. It didn't.

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2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire - Wikipedia

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