TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6

[Megnut]

The truck driver was let go because he/she "had a reason to be there". Okey-dokey, then.

Delphi. Initial tip, lost.

JaymeC, LE met the abductor's car as they sped to the crime scene. He pulled over to let them pass. It was their best tip. Or would have been. But they missed it. Filed away mentally as kidnappers aren't going to be courteous or some such.

It's hard to overcome subconscious bias.

I think that traffic stop may absolutely be key to this case. "Had a reason to be there". Someone on their way to work. Mom, with a baby or toddler in the car. Delivery person. Checked out, deemed credible, milquetoast.

Obviously I don't know who that was so I make no accusation personally. I'm just saying that situation is exactly the kind that needs serious revisiting.

Maybe the get-up was a disguise. Beneath it, who would you believe? A nurse, a school teacher, soccer mom -- instant clout.

Had a reason to be there.

Maybe that person had TWO reasons to be there.

JMO

 

[Centaurus]

Delphi. Initial tip, lost.

JaymeC, LE met the abductor's car as they sped to the crime scene. He pulled over to let them pass. It was their best tip. Or would have been. But they missed it. Filed away mentally as kidnappers aren't going to be courteous or some such.

It's hard to overcome subconscious bias.

I think that traffic stop may absolutely be key to this case. "Had a reason to be there". Someone on their way to work. Mom, with a baby or toddler in the car. Delivery person. Checked out, deemed credible, milquetoast.

Obviously I don't know who that was so I make no accusation personally. I'm just saying that situation is exactly the kind that needs serious revisiting.

Maybe the get-up was a disguise. Beneath it, who would you believe? A nurse, a school teacher, soccer mom -- instant clout.

Had a reason to be there.

Maybe that person had TWO reasons to be there.

JMO

Really, what are the odds two black Nissan Frontier's are in the same place at the same time? Because that has got to be statistically small.

Anecdotal, so feel free to skip: I never. Like never see Nissan Frontiers. We are a car/motorsports family so I notice vehicles. I own an F150, I see so many each time I drive it's almost comical. You know how Jeep people and VW people have their little "waves" to each other? I'd be waving to every 3rd or 4th car I drive by. lmao The rest of the truck people are in Chevy/GMC's or Dodge Rams. I see a few Tacoma's and Tundra's every now and then, but I NEVER see Frontiers. I can't express that enough. "Truck" people just don't buy them. Again, to see two black Nissan Frontiers at almost the same time would be some sort of statistical outlier, right?

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

 

[fridaybaker]

"Maybe that person had TWO reasons to be there." BINGO.

 

[fridaybaker]

Really, what are the odds two black Nissan Frontier's are in the same place at the same time? Because that has got to be statistically small.

Anecdotal, so feel free to skip: I never. Like never see Nissan Frontiers. We are a car/motorsports family so I notice vehicles. I own an F150, I see so many each time I drive it's almost comical. You know how Jeep people and VW people have their little "waves" to each other? I'd be waving to every 3rd or 4th car I drive by. lmao The rest of the truck people are in Chevy/GMC's or Dodge Rams. I see a few Tacoma's and Tundra's every now and then, but I NEVER see Frontiers. I can't express that enough. "Truck" people just don't buy them. Again, to see two black Nissan Frontiers at almost the same time would be some sort of statistical outlier, right?

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

Yes, two in the immediate vicinity...

 

[arielilane]

Really, what are the odds two black Nissan Frontier's are in the same place at the same time? Because that has got to be statistically small.

Anecdotal, so feel free to skip: I never. Like never see Nissan Frontiers. We are a car/motorsports family so I notice vehicles. I own an F150, I see so many each time I drive it's almost comical. You know how Jeep people and VW people have their little "waves" to each other? I'd be waving to every 3rd or 4th car I drive by. lmao The rest of the truck people are in Chevy/GMC's or Dodge Rams. I see a few Tacoma's and Tundra's every now and then, but I NEVER see Frontiers. I can't express that enough. "Truck" people just don't buy them. Again, to see two black Nissan Frontiers at almost the same time would be some sort of statistical outlier, right?

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

Agree with your post, other than about LE.

However, thank you for sharing a well stated post on why there is no coincidence (my belief) in regards to the truck pulled over by LE. moo

 

[vls12345]

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

Again, totally agree. I have always wondered if the Nissan driver is someone who might get a "professional courtesy" of not really being looked at/stopped long such as it being another cop, a firefighter, or an EMT. (My speculation only. MOO.)

I really, really wish an outside investigative group would go back to square one with this case and reexamine everything.

 

[Centaurus]

Agree with your post, other than about LE.

However, thank you for sharing a well stated post on why there is no coincidence (my belief) in regards to the truck pulled over by LE. moo

Yeah a cop doesn't play into my theory at all, but I think they might get dismissed quickly.

 

[Charlot123]

The truck driver was let go because he/she "had a reason to be there". Okey-dokey, then.

OK I hope they wrote down all info about the driver and the truck.

 

[Charlot123]

Again, let's hope that they had more reason than that to not suspect him, and let's hope they still have his info

…as well as the info about LEO who stopped him.
Although I believe there was no conspiracy, merely lack of sound judgment on LEO side.

 

[fridaybaker]

Charlotte, earlier in one of these threads we've actually seen a redacted version of the LE write-up of the stop, if I recall correctly. There are just so many posts on this case, though, I think it might be difficult to find. However, I did want to let you know that they is definitely a record of the stop, and the LE officer who made it.

 

[Megnut]

Really, what are the odds two black Nissan Frontier's are in the same place at the same time? Because that has got to be statistically small.

Anecdotal, so feel free to skip: I never. Like never see Nissan Frontiers. We are a car/motorsports family so I notice vehicles. I own an F150, I see so many each time I drive it's almost comical. You know how Jeep people and VW people have their little "waves" to each other? I'd be waving to every 3rd or 4th car I drive by. lmao The rest of the truck people are in Chevy/GMC's or Dodge Rams. I see a few Tacoma's and Tundra's every now and then, but I NEVER see Frontiers. I can't express that enough. "Truck" people just don't buy them. Again, to see two black Nissan Frontiers at almost the same time would be some sort of statistical outlier, right?

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

Here's another! Magnetic job sign! Slap on, slap off. Legit or otherwise. "Carol's Hairstyling", "Lloyd's Plumbing & Heating", instant makeover.

Another, neighbor. Just a neighbor going to work.

I don't think the stop was verified in any real way, maybe the explanation passed muster, unchecked.

Neighbor who says s/he's just running late for work.

OT but I think Maddie McCann's abductor was flagged through the checkpoint. Because Maddie was concealed and her abductor (who I believe is CB) had his too-young girlfriend with him (who he used as cover IMO and who did not know the toddler was concealed in his hidden compartment). Got a pass because they were searching for a lone figure.... not a friendly father-daughter combo.

That's maybe how the black truck passed thru LE's fingers...

A child in the car would have skewed the optics! Who is going to commit murder with a kid in the car? Except what perfect cover....

 

[Megnut]

Charlotte, earlier in one of these threads we've actually seen a redacted version of the LE write-up of the stop, if I recall correctly. There are just so many posts on this case, though, I think it might be difficult to find. However, I did want to let you know that they is definitely a record of the stop, and the LE officer who made it.

Bringing this forward from thread 3.

TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #3

Man, I'd love to know if she was an online gamer. Knowing she loved Star Wars, Harry Potter, cos play events, etc. I don't think it's a big leap to make that she possibly played online video games. After watching AS's video a few times, I'm pretty convinced the shooter was a male, by his voice...

www.websleuths.com

 

[fridaybaker]

At 7:05 there's a BLACK NISSAN FRONTIER ON....KUYKENDAHL RD. But it's not related. Where are bodycam's when you need them???

 

[Bounceycat]

I love the KISS technique in all murders.

Keep It Simple Stupid.

Who wanted Liz dead
Who gained the most

No accident there was a clean motive clear persons IMO who feel safe until LE knocks on the door soon

And HOW did they know to approach the house just a couple of minutes after SB pulled out for work?

 

[Cool Cats]

I love the KISS technique in all murders.

Keep It Simple Stupid.

Who wanted Liz dead
Who gained the most

No accident there was a clean motive clear persons IMO who feel safe until LE knocks on the door soon

It is called Occam's razor

 

[dub]

Really, what are the odds two black Nissan Frontier's are in the same place at the same time? Because that has got to be statistically small.

Anecdotal, so feel free to skip: I never. Like never see Nissan Frontiers. We are a car/motorsports family so I notice vehicles. I own an F150, I see so many each time I drive it's almost comical. You know how Jeep people and VW people have their little "waves" to each other? I'd be waving to every 3rd or 4th car I drive by. lmao The rest of the truck people are in Chevy/GMC's or Dodge Rams. I see a few Tacoma's and Tundra's every now and then, but I NEVER see Frontiers. I can't express that enough. "Truck" people just don't buy them. Again, to see two black Nissan Frontiers at almost the same time would be some sort of statistical outlier, right?

Also to add to Megnut's list of people to believe, what about a cop?

I’ve said it before in this thread, and mine is also very anecdotal, but there are at least six black/dark gray, 4-door frontiers in the 2013-2019 range just in the part of my neighborhood that’s within a half mile of my house.

All of the trucks you listed are more common than frontiers here, for sure, but man when I pay attention I see a lot of them. Two in close proximity close in time is only a little weird to me.

Did the cops know right away they were specifically looking for a pro4x? If so, that would make it pretty easy to rule out if the frontier they pulled over wasn’t. Although if BOTH were pro4x that would be an insane coincidence.

 

[maamager]

And HOW did they know to approach the house just a couple of minutes after SB pulled out for work?

i'd like to know want to know why they entered the parking lot and why they immediately left the parking lot. did something spook them there?

what is interesting to me is that they left the school, drove to another street, and just waited a few minutes. i really want to know why they did that. is the truck was tipped off somehow or by someone of SB’s departure of the home?
were they picking someone else up?

 

[maamager]

i haven't been able to go through all of these threads, but I also wonder if the garage sale is a red herring and the real motivation is geared towards their 5th wedding anniversary

 

[fridaybaker]

I’ve said it before in this thread, and mine is also very anecdotal, but there are at least six black/dark gray, 4-door frontiers in the 2013-2019 range just in the part of my neighborhood that’s within a half mile of my house.

All of the trucks you listed are more common than frontiers here, for sure, but man when I pay attention I see a lot of them. Two in close proximity close in time is only a little weird to me.

Did the cops know right away they were specifically looking for a pro4x? If so, that would make it pretty easy to rule out if the frontier they pulled over wasn’t. Although if BOTH were pro4x that would be an insane coincidence.

Okay, I commented on this earlier about the prevalence of Nissan Frontiers, so I’ll add this: Trucks, as well as vehicle make, are VERY regional. Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve lived in all four corners of the country and many points in between. In much of New York you could go days without seeing a truck. I know people who’ve never been in one, let alone own one, drive one, or know anyone who does.

Then you have the northwest, where there are a few trucks here and there, but everything on the road, practically, is some kind of Subaru, or usually foreign, SUV. There are Hondas and Hyundais, and Toyotas and Nissans, etc. Per capita, precious few Ford pickups.

In Kansas, lots and lots and lots of pickups. Can’t remember ever seeing a Nissan, although I’m sure there are some around. Mostly Dodge (tons of Dodge in Kansas) Ford, Chevy. Interestingly, red is a huge color for vehicles in Kansas. Kansans LOVE red vehicles.

All this to emphasize that these things are very, very regional. Going back to a suburb outside of Houston, I’m sure quite a people own Nissan Frontiers, but black ones within four minutes seems amazing to me, especially considering place and time. We’re not talking about 35, or bumper to bumper, six lane traffic. On Kuykendahl road at 7am. Even without us knowing if it were a Pro 4x, if seems awfully coincidental to me.

 

[dub]

Okay, I commented on this earlier about the prevalence of Nissan Frontiers, so I’ll add this: Trucks, as well as vehicle make, are VERY regional. Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve lived in all four corners of the country and many points in between. In much of New York you could go days without seeing a truck. I know people who’ve never been in one, let alone own one, drive one, or know anyone who does.

Then you have the northwest, where there are a few trucks here and there, but everything on the road, practically, is some kind of Subaru, or usually foreign, SUV. There are Hondas and Hyundais, and Toyotas and Nissans, etc. Per capita, precious few Ford pickups.

In Kansas, lots and lots and lots of pickups. Can’t remember ever seeing a Nissan, although I’m sure there are some around. Mostly Dodge (tons of Dodge in Kansas) Ford, Chevy. Interestingly, red is a huge color for vehicles in Kansas. Kansans LOVE red vehicles.

All this to emphasize that these things are very, very regional. Going back to a suburb outside of Houston, I’m sure quite a people own Nissan Frontiers, but black ones within four minutes seems amazing to me, especially considering place and time. We’re not talking about 35, or bumper to bumper, six lane traffic. On Kuykendahl road at 7am. Even without us knowing if it were a Pro 4x, if seems awfully coincidental to me.

Definitely true, and I’d go a step further and say within those there are micro-regions based, among other factors, on socioeconomics.

For example, I live in an inner suburb of Denver, where there are a ton of pickups but not to the extent of Texas or a lot of rural areas. And Fords are definitely the most common, by far.

But my neighborhood specifically is not the kind of area where most people can afford 60+k trucks, so maybe here if people want trucks they’re more likely to go with something like a frontier.

So looking at it this way, I wonder which category Liz’s neighborhood would land in. I know they lived in a big house, but I am not really clear on the general economics of their immediate area, which might make at least a bit of a difference?