TX TX - Houston, WhtHispMale 20-30, UP4571, fingertip amputated, clothes, shoes, Jul'77

[Moonwalker9]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
The Doe Network: Case File 768UMTX

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Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case NumberML77-3583
Demographics
SexMale
Race / EthnicityWhite / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino
Possible First Name--
Possible Middle Name--
Possible Last Name--
Possible Nickname--
Estimated Age GroupAdult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years)20-30
Estimated Year of Death1977
Estimated PMI1 Minutes
Height5' 6"(66 inches) , Measured
Weight131 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
TypeUnidentified Deceased
Date FoundJuly 24, 1977
NamUs Case CreatedOctober 15, 2008
ME/C QA Reviewed--
Location Found Map
Street Address1000 DumbleHouston, Texas
CountyHarris County
GPS Coordinates--
Circumstances of RecoveryWitnessed shooting by passerby.
Details of Recovery


Inventory of RemainsAll parts recovered
Condition of RemainsRecognizable face
Physical Description
Hair ColorBlack
Head Hair DescriptionBlack, 4 1/2 inches
Body Hair Description--
Facial Hair Description--
Left Eye ColorBrown
Right Eye ColorBrown
Eye DescriptionBrown
Distinctive Physical Features
Item
Description
Amputation
Tip of right little finger


Clothing and Accessories
Item
Description
Clothing
Brown slacs, white long sleeved shirt with red dots, with jockey shorts, blue socks
On the Body

Footwear
Brown high heeled shoes
On the Body


Street view

Google Maps

 

[MadMcGoo]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP4571
Male, White/Caucasian, Hispanic/Latino

*GRAPHIC POSTMORTEM PHOTO ATTACHED*​

Date Body Found: July 24, 1977
Location Found: Houston, Texas
Estimated Age: Adult - Pre 40; 20-30
Measured Height: 5' 6"
Measured Weight: 131 lbs
Hair Color: Black, 4 1/2 inches
Eye Color: Brown
Amputation: Tip of right little finger
Clothing: Brown slacks, white long sleeved shirt with red dots, jockey shorts, blue socks
Footwear: Brown high heeled shoes

Circumstances of Recovery: Witnessed shooting by passerby

 

[YaYa_521]

I can't stop staring at these lips even though Robert is 15 years older than the 30YO max of JD's estimated age. Something isn't right with Robert's date of last contact and eye color, imo. He sent his family a letter from Oxnard, CA in 1963 yet his missing date is July 28, 1977, 4 days after JD's death. Where'd the 1977 date come from? Who reported him missing? Do they really remember his eye color being hazel? Also, did the person who entered Robert's profile mean to type a different eye color (maybe brown?!?) instead of hazel when describing Robert's eyes? Did they give an accurate age for Robert? Is JD's age estimate correct? Too many questions, imo, esp when comparing these photos. And this makes my hinky meter go off..."missing date is July 28, 1977, 4 days after JD's death."

Robert:
Date of Last Contact July 28, 1977
Eye Color Hazel
Eye Description - Eyes are also listed as hazel on some reports.
Circumstances of Disappearance - Missing hasn't had contact with his family since 1963 when he sent them a letter. The return address of 1608 E. Fifth Street, Oxnard, CA, was on the letter.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
ETA - link for photo
UP4571and-Robert-Rivera

 

[MadMcGoo]

I can't stop staring at these lips even though Robert is 15 years older than the 30YO max of JD's estimated age. Something isn't right with Robert's date of last contact and eye color, imo. He sent his family a letter from Oxnard, CA in 1963 yet his missing date is July 28, 1977, 4 days after JD's death. Where'd the 1977 date come from? Who reported him missing? Do they really remember his eye color being hazel? Also, did the person who entered Robert's profile mean to type a different eye color (maybe brown?!?) instead of hazel when describing Robert's eyes? Did they give an accurate age for Robert? Is JD's age estimate correct? Too many questions, imo, esp when comparing these photos. And this makes my hinky meter go off..."missing date is July 28, 1977, 4 days after JD's death."

Robert:
Date of Last Contact July 28, 1977
Eye Color Hazel
Eye Description - Eyes are also listed as hazel on some reports.
Circumstances of Disappearance - Missing hasn't had contact with his family since 1963 when he sent them a letter. The return address of 1608 E. Fifth Street, Oxnard, CA, was on the letter.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
ETA - link for photo
UP4571and-Robert-Rivera

This one made my head hurt a little. I may have to come back to it and do some digging on Robert. I’ve never seen him before. The dates are weird but I’d say his eyes were definitely hazel...or light brown.

The UID has a very unique nose. I’m not sure how to describe it though. lol. His nostrils flare up/out and the tip comes down quite a ways. I can’t tell if Robert’s is that way. Plus that photo is certainly not of him at 45 years old.

I’d say go ahead and submit, maybe they can provide more info. If not, when I get some free time, I’ll see what else (if anything) I can find out about Robert.

 

[annemc2]

Weird. That address has been for a towing company at least since 1980. Pretty obviously in an industrial area. Was he employed at that building? What did the letter say? Arrrrrgh!!!

 

[Melt71]

Robert Rivera suggested above has 40 sets of unidentified remains ruled out in Namus but UP4571 isn't one of them. The UP4571 Namus file has zero ruleouts listed.