TX TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 #2 *NAME NOT RELEASED*

[TmmEye]

Bumping.

 

[ilovepierre]

Could someone tell me if WCJD used Aliases?

Not that I am aware of.
If she did give a name to the waitress, she never said.

IMO

 

[EffyElsewhere]

<<<Modsnip>>>

Could we please not refer to possible matches as identifications? It's very misleading. To claim information based on your research as 'facts', such as identifying her allegedly deceased parents based on EYE COLOR, is so misleading and harmful to the case.

Edit: I cannot comment on the method of research you're referring to as it's still incredibly vague. However, claiming tentative identification each time you come across a new person of interest is still misleading. By this logic, WCJD has been 'tentatively identified' numerous times (each time a MP is submitted before rule-out).

 

[Paul B.]

We owe it to WCJD to get it right.

 

[Paul B.]

This is relevant as, for God Only Knows Why, members of both LE and the media decided to wax lyrical on how attractive/sexually alluring WCJD was in life, but I watched the 1968 film, Lady in Cement at the weekend. Frank Sinatra's PI character, Tony Roma, finds a dead blonde at the bottom of the sea with her feet in a concrete block (Naked, of course.) All people seem interested in is if she was good looking. Even the coroner gets in the act lamenting the fact she would never be a mother as she had a beautiful pelvis.

 

[rosesfromangels]

This is relevant as, for God Only Knows Why, members of both LE and the media decided to wax lyrical on how attractive/sexually alluring WCJD was in life, but I watched the 1968 film, Lady in Cement at the weekend. Frank Sinatra's PI character, Tony Roma, finds a dead blonde at the bottom of the sea with her feet in a concrete block (Naked, of course.) All people seem interested in is if she was good looking. Even the coroner gets in the act lamenting the fact she would never be a mother as she had a beautiful pelvis.

Welcome to the world of being a woman.

 

[Tssiemer]

Welcome to the world of being a woman.

I know! “Pretty” “beautiful” are used a lot with missing women.

 

[Paul B.]

I'm kind of mystified at the whole dresses and perfume and flowers image attached to missing and murdered women. the short haired Beaumont girls who disappeared from Glenelg Beach have been posthumously turned into Girly Girls. Jane and Arnna were even given long hair in one Aussie true crime re-enactment show.

 

[CarlK90245]

<<<Modsnip>>>

Could we please not refer to possible matches as identifications? It's very misleading. To claim information based on your research as 'facts', such as identifying her allegedly deceased parents based on EYE COLOR, is so misleading and harmful to the case.

Edit: I cannot comment on the method of research you're referring to as it's still incredibly vague. However, claiming tentative identification each time you come across a new person of interest is still misleading. By this logic, WCJD has been 'tentatively identified' numerous times (each time a MP is submitted before rule-out).

I agree with Effy, and have removed all posts regarding pending identifications that have not been confirmed by any official sources.

I know several people who are very well studied in genetics, and they have told me they never heard of this group, and are very doubtful of the efficacy of their methodology. If they have indeed identified WCJD, we should wait until the Walker County Sheriff's Department has made an announcement.

 

[taramarie]

Can we please move on? This thread has gotten way off track. Let’s move our focus back to our girl.

I’m excited for the Rebekah Home lead! Hopefully @Jdart14 hears back from the group soon.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Here’s a good lesson I learned from folks like CarlK, Roselovr, and the other many, many talented people on Websleuths.

1. It ain’t a done deal until LE formally announces it
2. Keep your head down, and only share breakthroughs with your very small trusted inner circle, moderators, Trish, and LE.
3. Don’t advertise your find or you will get unwanted attention of all varieties.
4. When you do have a major breakthrough, whoop, do a happy dance, cry, talk to your trusted friends and cry some more....then move on and rinse and repeat.

As always, my amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[FireOwl9]

And please remember we're all adults here, so take this content seriously and do not turn your speculations into facts without solid evidence. I know we're all desperate to give our Does back their names <modsnip - discussing another poster>.

 

[Bit of hope]

Was able to get a possible name. Angie Roca.

Hi Jdart14. Are you (they) 100 % sure her name was spelled that way? Just wondering if it could be, for instance, Roka (a surname originally coming from Hungaria, meaning fox) or Rocca (Italian)

 

[Paul B.]

@Bit of hope @rosesfromangels @Tssiemer I'm not sure why both LE and the media decided to go on about how sexually attractive and/or sexually appealing WCJD was. How do you get that from a savagely beaten and bruised corpse?

As i mentioned about the Beaumont Children, many female victims are also retroactively made a lot more girly and feminine than they were in life. Although with Crime Investigation Australia, on their budget they probably could only afford child actresses who wouldn't cut their long hair to match Jane and Arnna for a one-time TV re-enactment.

 

[rosesfromangels]

@Bit of hope @rosesfromangels @Tssiemer I'm not sure why both LE and the media decided to go on about how sexually attractive and/or sexually appealing WCJD was. How do you get that from a savagely beaten and bruised corpse?

As i mentioned about the Beaumont Children, many female victims are also retroactively made a lot more girly and feminine than they were in life. Although with Crime Investigation Australia, on their budget they probably could only afford child actresses who wouldn't cut their long hair to match Jane and Arnna for a one-time TV re-enactment.

Because Mr. Bean, sex sells. Pretty people get more attention, more ratings, sell more ads, and so forth.

Despite her battered condition, it was apparent to me WCJD was a very pretty child. And I do believe she was very young.

 

[taramarie]

@Bit of hope @rosesfromangels @Tssiemer I'm not sure why both LE and the media decided to go on about how sexually attractive and/or sexually appealing WCJD was. How do you get that from a savagely beaten and bruised corpse?

As i mentioned about the Beaumont Children, many female victims are also retroactively made a lot more girly and feminine than they were in life. Although with Crime Investigation Australia, on their budget they probably could only afford child actresses who wouldn't cut their long hair to match Jane and Arnna for a one-time TV re-enactment.

I’m not sure why we’re going on and on about it here either.

 

[Jdart14]

Hi Jdart14. Are you (they) 100 % sure her name was spelled that way? Just wondering if it could be, for instance, Roka (a surname originally coming from Hungaria, meaning fox) or Rocca (Italian)

I am not 100% sure.

 

[Whiskers16]

Hi all, a number of posts have been removed. Recall that it is against TOS to discuss another poster, either through generalizations (ex. "some people are presenting rumor as fact") or by username or in reply to them. If you have a concern about a post, report it and do not respond to it.

TOs will be issued if discussion like this continues.

 

[detective24-7]

@Bit of hope @rosesfromangels @Tssiemer I'm not sure why both LE and the media decided to go on about how sexually attractive and/or sexually appealing WCJD was. How do you get that from a savagely beaten and bruised corpse?

As i mentioned about the Beaumont Children, many female victims are also retroactively made a lot more girly and feminine than they were in life. Although with Crime Investigation Australia, on their budget they probably could only afford child actresses who wouldn't cut their long hair to match Jane and Arnna for a one-time TV re-enactment.

I agree with you; i always found it disturbing and strange how LE commented that she was a beautiful girl considering the circumstances they saw her: murdered, naked, brutally beaten/bruised.

 

[cherrymeg]

I agree with you; i always found it disturbing and strange how LE commented that she was a beautiful girl considering the circumstances they saw her: murdered, naked, brutally beaten/bruised.

I was hoping they meant that she seemed well cared for and it came out wrong. Like well nourished and good dental care. Am I too optimistic?