Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[runningon3mpty]

Uber is like paying to hitchhike. lol. That's interesting he didn't hear about her. You think they could have made an announcement or had a few fliers handed out in other units. Inmates can be transferred also if she was a runaway she might not have been in contact with whoever she was looking for. Did he mention if there were certain visitation times? Was Ellis different? Was it for more violent offenders? Was your dad with lifers or did they keep people separate depending on their sentences?

Ellis Unit was definitely different during this time. In the 1980's, the Ellis Unit housed male death row inmates. I looked it up just to be sure & Ellis Unit housed male death row inmates from 1965 to 1999.

 

[T rex]

I don't think she was a working girl but if she was desperate and approached who is to say she wouldn't have considered it. We can't even say without a doubt she wasn't raped. Just because there is no semen doesn't mean she wasn't violated. I can't see a woman being the suspect. You're right when saying it was interesting that she specifically asked about the Ellis Unit. She would've seen signs for the Holiday and Walls Unit on highway 45... That alone tells me she had a destination. I saw guards solicit the girls in 2000, I'm sure it was happening 20 years earlier as well. Never saw a cop do it.

Now, this is the part that I feel like a dumbass for not thinking about it before. Not sure how many are aware of this.... But Huntsville is home to one if the largest universities in this area.. Sam Houston state university... Which is exactly why I lived in Huntsville... I would get college kids coming in to the Hitching Post to study because it was 24 hours... Also after bars closed they would come in after a night of partying. They think WCJD was killed Halloween night so I'm sure college kids were out partying until late night hours... It was also a Saturday night. Maybe we are looking for a college kid. Like I said, I'm just trying to think of all possibilities.

I never could see a woman being a suspect either until I started reading your posts. Now I have been considering the way she was assaulted, the pantyhose, and where she was last seen. Do you think there's any chance some of these working girls you've been talking about could have committed this crime?

I agree with a statement you made in an earlier post about it being doubtful that authorities really showed a picture to every inmate at Ellis but I was wondering that even if a inmate did know and recognize her would they admitt it or deny it. Convicts are well known for keeping their mouths shut. You never know this person could have had some kind of relationship with WCJD and was worried about statutory or something or otherwise thought it would be best to just stay out of it.

 

[cjSweetwater]

Wish they would consider using Forensic Genealogy in this case. LE is starting to ID so many people who have been UIDs for 30 and 40 years now. It's fantastic!

 

[cherrymeg]

Ellis Unit was definitely different during this time. In the 1980's, the Ellis Unit housed male death row inmates. I looked it up just to be sure & Ellis Unit housed male death row inmates from 1965 to 1999.

Thanks! That's what I thought.

 

[cherrymeg]

I never could see a woman being a suspect either until I started reading your posts. Now I have been considering the way she was assaulted, the pantyhose, and where she was last seen. Do you think there's any chance some of these working girls you've been talking about could have committed this crime?

I agree with a statement you made in an earlier post about it being doubtful that authorities really showed a picture to every inmate at Ellis but I was wondering that even if a inmate did know and recognize her would they admitt it or deny it. Convicts are well known for keeping their mouths shut. You never know this person could have had some kind of relationship with WCJD and was worried about statutory or something or otherwise thought it would be best to just stay out of it.

Could the bite mark on her shoulder determine the sex of the biter. I believe it was the shoulder and didn't seem sexual like men who bite. If she was fighting back it wouldn't have to be sexual, but it could have been just not in a disfiguring the breasts, vagina or butt cheeks. I know bitemarks aren't always unique and with skin moving a match is rarely perfect, but can it narrow down the size of the mouth?

 

[cjSweetwater]

Trusty system (prison) - Wikipedia

"Texas continued their use of trusty systems (known as "building tenders") until the 1980s, when Federal Judge William Wayne Justice, in Ruiz v Estelle, 503 F. Supp. 1265 (S.D. Tex. 1980), compelled the replacement of the trusty system with the strictly-regulated Support Service Inmate (SSI) system."

 

[Izzy77523]

Uber is like paying to hitchhike. lol. That's interesting he didn't hear about her. You think they could have made an announcement or had a few fliers handed out in other units. Inmates can be transferred also if she was a runaway she might not have been in contact with whoever she was looking for. Did he mention if there were certain visitation times? Was Ellis different? Was it for more violent offenders? Was your dad with lifers or did they keep people separate depending on their sentences?

My dad was at the holiday unit... So I'm not sure. I don't know if he would know how they did things. The holiday unit is called holiday unit because it is a diagnostic unit... Inmates don't stay there long, just long enough to be assigned to a unit or because they have very short sentences... Hence the name HOLIDAY unit. I don't think a working woman would've killed this girl. I don't think WCJD was trying to take their business or stand in their spot... I agree the inmate may have just kept his mouth shut.... Out of fear or whatever. I don't think my dad knows much about the Ellis unit particularly just how the prison system was ran. Best bet would be to find a lifer still incarcerated today that's been in a very long time and ask them. not sure I'm willing to go that far.

 

[Izzy77523]

Could the bite mark on her shoulder determine the sex of the biter. I believe it was the shoulder and didn't seem sexual like men who bite. If she was fighting back it wouldn't have to be sexual, but it could have been just not in a disfiguring the breasts, vagina or butt cheeks. I know bitemarks aren't always unique and with skin moving a match is rarely perfect, but can it narrow down the size of the mouth?

I think the bite was sexual. I'm looking into a guy right now named Autry. I'll let y'all know what I find.

 

[Sweetluv]

Don't think this was sexually motivated.......no "part" used.....blunt object instead.
Bite seems like anger and frustration.

 

[Sweetluv]

I'm sure the bite radius was measured.
The method of strangulation, pantyhose, is an interesting choice.

 

[Izzy77523]

Don't think this was sexually motivated.......no "part" used.....blunt object instead.
Bite seems like anger and frustration.

How do they know no part was used? No semen doesn't mean it wasn't a rape, if something was shoved up there that caused damage how do they know. This is what bothers me. She could've had to perform oral. Maybe he couldn't keep it up and got frustrated.

 

[sloane7777]

Don't think this was sexually motivated.......no "part" used.....blunt object instead.
Bite seems like anger and frustration.

didn't Samuel Little bite a woman or two?

 

[Izzy77523]

Ted Bundy bit almost all his victims. The frustration could've been from erectile dysfunction.

 

[Sweetluv]

I have heard of bite marks in other cases, yes.
Wish I had more knowledge on why someone, esp in 1980 when DNA was in its infancy, would use only an object if crime was for sexual gratification....any thoughts?

 

[Izzy77523]

I have heard of bite marks in other cases, yes.
Wish I had more knowledge on why someone, esp in 1980 when DNA was in its infancy, would use only an object if crime was for sexual gratification....any thoughts?

As I've started maybe he "couldn't" perform. Maybe he got off by hirtibg, same as someone having an orgasm while choking.

 

[cherrymeg]

My dad was at the holiday unit... So I'm not sure. I don't know if he would know how they did things. The holiday unit is called holiday unit because it is a diagnostic unit... Inmates don't stay there long, just long enough to be assigned to a unit or because they have very short sentences... Hence the name HOLIDAY unit. I don't think a working woman would've killed this girl. I don't think WCJD was trying to take their business or stand in their spot... I agree the inmate may have just kept his mouth shut.... Out of fear or whatever. I don't think my dad knows much about the Ellis unit particularly just how the prison system was ran. Best bet would be to find a lifer still incarcerated today that's been in a very long time and ask them. not sure I'm willing to go that far.

The state prisons in PA have one prison everyone usually goes through. My son's dad ended up in SCI Retreat. He ran into his step-dad my son called him pop-pop Tommy in Graterford I think. My ex went neo nazi and had a Klansman tattooed on his back. It looked like the outline of a poop emoji. His stepdad was like wear a shirt. I don't know how he wasn't murdered. He spent 4 years in jail someone had to listen to his horrible guitar playing when the cell doors were shut. I got a letter about him wanting to be sovereign citizen possibly while he was in prison. He went through a phase that involved calling me and demanding that I switch him to a prison with a forestry program (I don't work for the prison - it was weird). I have a friend in that prison and that is for longer term inmates and it's reward. I did call the counselor to ask if she could evaluate him. lol

I'd write to a lifer. My cousin used to have his inmate friends write me when I was 17 from some place in Louisiana. Is there a way to find an inmate that would have been there in 80? And someone who would respond to a letter.

 

[Sweetluv]

How far away was the prison to the diner?

 

[cherrymeg]

I have heard of bite marks in other cases, yes.
Wish I had more knowledge on why someone, esp in 1980 when DNA was in its infancy, would use only an object if crime was for sexual gratification....any thoughts?

Could there have been two guys or more? Maybe the penetrating her with an object was for show, biting and raping her with objects could have been simulating sex but worried about disease or seeming gay or like they were cheating. MOO. If you go with the college theory, where there frat houses?

 

[cherrymeg]

How do they know no part was used? No semen doesn't mean it wasn't a rape, if something was shoved up there that caused damage how do they know. This is what bothers me. She could've had to perform oral. Maybe he couldn't keep it up and got frustrated.

There was mention of her underwear put inside of her as if to stop the bleeding. Can they tell if she was cleaned off. Semen could have been washed away if he came at all he might have avoided doing it inside her. I don't know if they could test for semen in the mouth? The torture could have been sexually gratifying without penetration. There are condoms too. Condoms might be used by someone with a wife or girlfriend. Or someone who was keeping up with the latest in forensics like a student. I'm digging deeper into the rabbit hole.

 

[cherrymeg]

How far away was the prison to the diner?

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