• #4,901
I usually don't do this but was bored and had already looked so thought I'd throw out a possibility. She looks similar to me (even though so many of them do!).

I can only find her as a freshman in 1978 at Fairfield - page 32, initials P.S.
 
  • #4,902
I usually don't do this but was bored and had already looked so thought I'd throw out a possibility. She looks similar to me (even though so many of them do!).

I can only find her as a freshman in 1978 at Fairfield - page 32, initials P.S.
I had a quick look for her to see if she’s still alive - one listing for someone the same name in a phone directory in jasper, Tx. Not sure if it’s the same person. I only had a very quick look.
 
  • #4,903
I had a quick look for her to see if she’s still alive - one listing for someone the same name in a phone directory in jasper, Tx. Not sure if it’s the same person. I only had a very quick look.
I got the same results! I tried more formal variations of the first name "P" but didn't get anything there, either. I have such a hard time matching faces but figured since I'd already spent so much time looking and comparing that I'd go ahead and post just for the heck of it. Thanks for checking it out!
 
  • #4,904
Interesting though. Hmm...
 
  • #4,905
I got the same results! I tried more formal variations of the first name "P" but didn't get anything there, either. I have such a hard time matching faces but figured since I'd already spent so much time looking and comparing that I'd go ahead and post just for the heck of it. Thanks for checking it out!
I think it’s worth more searching to rule in or out! I will when I get a chance.
 
  • #4,906
Sometimes when I am trying to figure out a person I like to write it out on my whiteboard (in my apartment) to figure out the little details. I think I might just do that for this. I'll see what I come up with for this information.

**Speculation only.**
 
  • #4,907
Regina Rowell – The Charley Project

I know she was reported 5 months after WCJD was found but still had to post her because her photos look so similar to what I imagine she'd look like. Could there be a timeline discrepancy in Regina's case?
 
  • #4,908
She does have a similar "look", but aside from the timeline, Regina would also be pushing the age limit, and the medical examiners would have overlooked a 4-5 inch scar on WCJD's calf.

Since they noted the scar on WCJD's forehead, and the horrible bite mark, it seems unlikely they would have overlooked a large scar on her leg.
 
  • #4,909
Geezus....imagine the hours we’ve all put into trying to identify this poor girl. It’s incredible. I know I’ve spent sleepless nights combing through prison records, yearbooks, and newspaper archives for starters, and I’ve probably put in the least amount of sleuthing here. Someone is missing her! Where are they? How do we find them? It’s so heartbreaking to know that we all have the answers they have been searching for. Because I truly feel that someone is trying to find her. I hope they connect to the internet one day and see us...and know that we have all loved their girl since we met her. <3
 
  • #4,910
Geezus....imagine the hours we’ve all put into trying to identify this poor girl. It’s incredible. I know I’ve spent sleepless nights combing through prison records, yearbooks, and newspaper archives for starters, and I’ve probably put in the least amount of sleuthing here. Someone is missing her! Where are they? How do we find them? It’s so heartbreaking to know that we all have the answers they have been searching for. Because I truly feel that someone is trying to find her. I hope they connect to the internet one day and see us...and know that we have all loved their girl since we met her. <3
True that. You guys have all worked so hard and I hope it will be the Webslueths Community that figures it out. I was 12 when this young lady passed away and I live about as far away from Texas as you can get (Queensland, Australia), yet there are not too many days that go past that I don’t think about this, the Sumpter County Does and that Mysterious Man who passed away on beach in Adelaide in 1948. <3 .
 
  • #4,911
So she was going to see her boyfriend at Ellis. Seeing as how she was obviously not 18 or 19, her boyfriend probably would have been the same age, I guess. But I would think that someone his age wouldn't have been at the prison. Maybe he worked as a janitor or something and got a ride from her. Maybe he was released when she got there and she got a ride from her; that might be why no one recognized her, because there was no one there that recognized her. Then on the way home something went wrong and what happened happened.
 
  • #4,912
I agree, she looks young..def under 18!
So I wonder, if she was going to see a prisoner, wouldnt they decline a minor visitation if not accompanied by an adult?
I would imagine if she was going to say she was 18 or 19, they would want to see ID.
Was she originally traveling with someone over 18, expecting to return with them after they went to the prison? Would explain lack of bags and proper footwear..makes me wonder if she never expected to hitchhike.
Arguement ensues, so she got out and decided to hitchhike there..would explain the comment made to the waitress.."who cares?" Maybe this individual came back for her...enraged.
So many scenarios run through my head...
Why is she not ID!!???
 
  • #4,913
The question shoulb be: why people don't bother to find out what happened to their relatives and friends who haven't been seen or heard from in 40 years. I know that memories fade as time passes, but people her age who knew her about time she was killed are about 60 now. Someone knows something, someone must remember her.
 
  • #4,914
unless they are afraid of something.
 
  • #4,915
I know I sound very naive. Her case is just making me so sad. She was so young and it's been 40 years. Reminds me of Corona Girl - Sue Ann Huskey. It turned out that she had a lot of siblings, who said they've been wondering what happened to her, but it seems like she was never reported missing.
I'm not trying to judge anyone, but in cases like these it seems like people say they care, but in fact they just don't care enough.
 
  • #4,916
The question shoulb be: why people don't bother to find out what happened to their relatives and friends who haven't been seen or heard from in 40 years. I know that memories fade as time passes, but people her age who knew her about time she was killed are about 60 now. Someone knows something, someone must remember her.

Hi, I am a long time lurker of this board but a first time poster and thought I would throw in my two-cents. I understand that’s it’s hard to fathom and agree with you when it comes to child John/Jane Does but I think for many adult John/Jane Does when there are issues of abuse, mental illness, drugs or dysfunction in families the circumstances under which they left were likely not very positive and there wasn’t the desire for either party to keep in touch. Unfortunately, not everyone who is estranged from family is in search of a happy reunion. Even if an adult is reported missing and the police do find them, they don’t have to tell the family of the person’s whereabouts only that they have been found. If the person does not contact family, their family may still keep searching for them but would likely be hesitant to report them missing again.
 
  • #4,917
The question shoulb be: why people don't bother to find out what happened to their relatives and friends who haven't been seen or heard from in 40 years. I know that memories fade as time passes, but people her age who knew her about time she was killed are about 60 now. Someone knows something, someone must remember her.

There was still a culture of "oh, she is a runaway" no priority, reported but no official report written down and kept..Maybe she was in a girls home....already a girl with a "negative stamp or marked history", the "lesser" people...and I don't mean I think that, not at all....I mean the world was different and things were perceived different...and also LE thought different about the missing...
 
  • #4,918
Sorry for the delay, but I came up with an approximate timeline for Jane Doe. Take this with a grain of salt, as my dates are approximate here. (I will refer to WCJD as Jane for my purposes.)

  • c. November 2, 1961 - November 1, 1966: Jane is born, perhaps in Texas.
  • c. September 4, 1980 - October 31, 1980: Jane gets her ears pierced.
  • October 31, 1980 @ ~6:30 PM: Jane asks for instructions to the Ellis Prison Farm at the South End Gulf Station
  • October 31, 1980 @ ~6:39 PM: Jane arrives at the Hitch 'N' Post Truck Stop and once again asks for directions to the Ellis Prison Farm (this is where the Waitress draws up a map for her)
  • October 31 - November 1, 1980 @ 6:44 PM - 6:20 AM: Jane is murdered by unknown individual(s)
  • October 31 - November 1, 1980 @ 6:44 PM - 9:20 AM: Jane is dumped on I-45
  • November 1, 1980 @ ~9:20 AM: Jane is found murdered
 
  • #4,919
Hi, I am a long time lurker of this board but a first time poster and thought I would throw in my two-cents. I understand that’s it’s hard to fathom and agree with you when it comes to child John/Jane Does but I think for many adult John/Jane Does when there are issues of abuse, mental illness, drugs or dysfunction in families the circumstances under which they left were likely not very positive and there wasn’t the desire for either party to keep in touch. Unfortunately, not everyone who is estranged from family is in search of a happy reunion. Even if an adult is reported missing and the police do find them, they don’t have to tell the family of the person’s whereabouts only that they have been found. If the person does not contact family, their family may still keep searching for them but would likely be hesitant to report them missing again.
I think you're right. Besides having a functioning in the society, but alcoholic father, I can't really relate to the issues that you mentioned. I didn't mean to sound ignorant, I've just been following WCJD's case for quite some time now and I must admit, no other case frustrated me like this one. It probably has a lot to do with her young age and the long time that she's been unidentified for. She was still just a child. It hurts me to think that people who once knew her might have forgotten about her due to passage of time. I guess I just needed to ramble a little bit. This Jane Doe feels very close to my heart.
 
  • #4,920
I think you're right. Besides having a functioning in the society, but alcoholic father, I can't really relate to the issues that you mentioned. I didn't mean to sound ignorant, I've just been following WCJD's case for quite some time now and I must admit, no other case frustrated me like this one. It probably has a lot to do with her young age and the long time that she's been unidentified for. She was still just a child. It hurts me to think that people who once knew her might have forgotten about her due to passage of time. I guess I just needed to ramble a little bit. This Jane Doe feels very close to my heart.

No, please don’t feel bad for wondering and be happy that these issues are not relatable. Years ago, I couldn’t relate either until I had a close family who started to have issues that still worry me today they will end up a Jane doe somewhere. Unfortunately, since they are an adult we are finding that there is not much that can be done. However, Walker County Jane doe was very young and likely still a child so someone should have been taking care of her at the time. Maybe her family went to the police and were brushed off or the report was lost but I am still baffled that after all this time no one has recognized her picture. It makes me wonder if she grew up somewhere much further away than Walker County.
 

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