Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, 1 November 1980 - id'd November 2021 - Sherri Ann Jarvis (14)

[carbuff]

Thanks, that makes total sense. So in the WA case referenced in the article above, the Snohomish County sheriff’s office must have somehow got a warrant to do it, sounds as though they are using Ancestry etc as an avenue of investigation.

Yes, or they could be talking about making a familial comparison to one or more of the state offender databases. Some states allow it and others don't. That's how they caught California's Grim Sleeper serial killer; one of his relatives was in jail and turned up as a match.


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[carbuff]

Something I've wondered is who was keeping this case in the public mind before the Internet age? The case was mentioned in the 1990 book Forensic Art and Illustration. Other than that, where else was it discussed for all those years? Her case has never appeared on America's Most Wanted, Unsolved Mysteries, Dateline or any other crime program.

The people of Huntsville probably knew about her, but who else? Has her case been receiving continuous attention since 1980, or was it "rediscovered" after websites such as one came to be?

I realize I could ask this of any old case, but I'm wondering specifically about this one.

I had never heard of the case before I joined Websleuths.

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[LucyOso]

When I look at articles such as this, I wonder how many times something similar occurred but was never noticed. A family quietly identifying then burying a rebellious child due to stigma. I often wonder, as we see sometimes, that many of our older UID victims are being looked for because of misidentification or family thinks they are dead. There have been a few cases where it turns out 10, 20, 25 + years down the road an identification was incorrect. What are your thoughts?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...29NAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5525,6101857

 

[Owutatangledweb]

When I look at articles such as this, I wonder how many times something similar occurred but was never noticed. A family quietly identifying then burying a rebellious child due to stigma. I often wonder, as we see sometimes, that many of our older UID victims are being looked for because of misidentification or family thinks they are dead. There have been a few cases where it turns out 10, 20, 25 + years down the road an identification was incorrect. What are your thoughts?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...29NAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5525,6101857

Incredible!

 

[Alleykins]

Yes, or they could be talking about making a familial comparison to one or more of the state offender databases. Some states allow it and others don't. That's how they caught California's Grim Sleeper serial killer; one of his relatives was in jail and turned up as a match.
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It appears that's also how they ID'd the Pemiscot John Doe, too, iirc. His brother's DNA was run through CODIS for a criminal matter and it hit upon the unidentified remains.

 

[carbuff]

When I look at articles such as this, I wonder how many times something similar occurred but was never noticed. A family quietly identifying then burying a rebellious child due to stigma. I often wonder, as we see sometimes, that many of our older UID victims are being looked for because of misidentification or family thinks they are dead. There have been a few cases where it turns out 10, 20, 25 + years down the road an identification was incorrect. What are your thoughts?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...29NAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5525,6101857

Mistakes like that are probably rare, but that's not the only one I remember reading about. It happens. Yes, I think that might explain some of our cases where it seems like nobody is looking.

I think the most common cause for people not looking for a lost relative is simply lack of knowledge--either they don't know how to look, or if they are looking, they don't know about a particular case that might be their loved one. And there's also, sadly, probably a lot of people who just don't care. Not all people have families, and not all families are good.

And I think there are probably several cases where the family knows their loved one is our jane or john doe but because of stigma or poverty have not acknowledged the deceased person. The Delaware woman who died after an abortion comes to mind, or several of the young gay men murdered by serial killers in the 70's.

 

[paul1980]

How old would the average trucker killer have been in 1980 and how old would they be 37 years later... seventies... eighties?

 

[CarlK90245]

How old would the average trucker killer have been in 1980 and how old would they be 37 years later... seventies... eighties?

And it takes some time to learn to drive a big rig before a company is willing to hand the keys over to them for long-haul jobs. Very few of them are younger than their late 20's.

And most serial killers start killing in their late 20's or 30's. So I would doubt he was any younger than that.

That would put the killer in his late 60's or older now.

 

[yogasleuther]

Ive thought about the couple being the killers, the ones she stayed with in Esquire In. They were mentioned in articles and never came forth.

 

[WalkingTheCow]

One thing I find really interesting about this case is that there's so much art of her... Yet we still know practically nothing about her. Is there another case where a victim has been reconstructed as many times?

The art is of varying quality too... Especially the early pencil sketches. In a lot of the art she looks wildly different. I really don't think the one used on the Texas state website for unidentified victims looks good at all. I favor one of the NCMEC reconstructions and the most recent reconstruction here as most realistic.

I think a 3d reconstruction would be very interesting to see.

 

[CarlK90245]

I got another message from the guy who told me about "Kathy". He now says that he doesn't believe the motel was the one in Beeville, because they had a different vehicle.

When we were in Beeville we had a 76 Granprix. That pic was taken when we were in a 1978 ford 150. I do remember this !!
I still search for this motel

 

[CarlK90245]

I got another message from the guy who told me about "Kathy". He now says that he doesn't believe the motel was the one in Beeville, because they had a different vehicle.

When we were in Beeville we had a 76 Granprix. That pic was taken when we were in a 1978 ford 150. I do remember this !!
I still search for this motel

He was saying that this hotel in Madisonville might be the one (if that is a buried swimming pool behind the front office), but he still isn't sure.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...9a516989fd5b50!8m2!3d30.9671957!4d-95.8799922

 

[CADwrest]

He was saying that this hotel in Madisonville might be the one (if that is a buried swimming pool behind the front office), but he still isn't sure.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...9a516989fd5b50!8m2!3d30.9671957!4d-95.8799922

Looking at it with street view, I don't see anywhere that looks like it was ever a pool...

 

[CarlK90245]

Looking at it with street view, I don't see anywhere that looks like it was ever a pool...

It isn't visible from street view. The overhead view clearly shows a large rectangular area about the size of a swimming pool right behind the front office.

 

[CADwrest]

The area I have circled in red is about the only place a pool could have been. Like you said, it's hard to get a look at that area, but you can kind of zoom in on street view once you get past the front office. Just MOO, but I don't see any remnants of a pool (unlike the Beeville hotel, where it was very obvious).

 

[lagann]

Here is my post from 2010 after I talked to Let Perkins the lead detective at the time


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I too question time line & always have. 6:30 PM in October would have been getting dark. Who would have just sent her on a 14 mile hike that time of night, no coat, down in the 30's later that night. Not to mention someone that grew up in Huntsville would know she was probably too young to visit on her own. Then she ends up going South of the station (unless someone picked her up) and West toward Hitchin Post. Either their time is wrong or someone else saw her.
If I was going to kill someone I picked up hitchhiking, I wouldn't take them to the truck stop 1st. Too may people around even late at night. Witness there supposedly said she took off walking but unless she followed her, there is no verification she ever left parking lot. I realized that after we were there with Carl. I need to go talk to them again. I'll make a list this time so, I can remember everything.

 

[lagann]

It isn't visible from street view. The overhead view clearly shows a large rectangular area about the size of a swimming pool right behind the front office.

CarlK I just called them. There was what the lady described to me as a large hot tub there. That is the (for lack of a better description) sperm shape you can see. Wonder if he knew the difference back then?

 

[Vital Forces]

According to sunrise-sunset.org, sunset occurred in Huntsville, Texas at 5:34 PM on October 31, 1980.

 

[lagann]

I just talked to them & yes there was a large hot tub was how the lady described it.

 

[lagann]

According to sunrise-sunset.org, sunset occurred in Huntsville, Texas at 5:34 PM on October 31, 1980.

I just don't think the timing at station was correct. Why would they send her on 14 mile hike in the dark? Then watch as she headed South instead? Strange to me.